Noah would says No to God, or be a Traitor to Jesus, says do onto othe

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Noah would says No to God, or be a Traitor to Jesus, says do onto others rule?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4Ilpp ... re=related

Can you think like an adult?


One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself .
One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated

Do unto others as a Golden rule is all that man would likely have to follow to end most if not all of human suffering at the hands of other humans.

If God himself lived by this rule, none of the woes inflicted on us via Adam and Eve would be with us today.

The moral and right thing for Noah to do was say no to God thus choosing to follow Jesus. This would also apply to Abraham when asked to sacrifice his son.

Both instances show God asking others to act immorally.

These are the highlights of the many times in scripture where God makes men act in an immoral way.

Noah and Abraham, and in a sense, Jesus, would torch the ark. That or not build it at all and thus force God to find another way to reboot his once perfect systems. Why he allowed perfection to go to imperfection is still a mystery as no intelligent God would allow such back sliding.

If Noah believed in the sanctity of human life, and lived by Jesus’ command to do to your neighbor as yourself....he would refuse to build the ark. It is a moral issue, Had Noah done that, God would have had to kill everyone, or no one.
This sort of moral position is upheld occasionally when a person refuses to back down, even at the cost of his life. We revere a person like this, call them heroes. This is NOT the cloth Noah was cut from. How can we say Noah was a man of God when he would not follow Jesus’ first rule?

We picture Noah in heaven but I would say that it is better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone.
That is how mentally challenged Noah would have had to be to build the means of man’s genocide.

Yet Christians, Catholics and Muslims revere such an immoral patriarch.

Are you all as crazy as Noah had to be?

Did Noah act in a sane manner or is he now in hell paying for not following the teachings of God/Jesus or the teachings of the Bible itself?

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Is genocide always evil?

Is a God who kills when he can just as easily cure a moral God?

Regards
DL

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The big problem I have with this post is that scriptures are not meant to be taken literally. They never were either, lots was lost in translation. The message or the big picture, whatever you want to call it is the importance. As for Noah and a evil god, it doesn't make much sense from that perspective.

For example the story of Noah is about why excessive drinking is bad, also other things. It is a reference to how these things can flood your life, making water is symbolic. Cleanse your life of your excessive drinking and bow to god. Ride the waves you created for yourself. Is kind of the best way I can explain what it means. A lot of symbolism goes on in the bible. God asking Abraham to give his son is a test of faith.

It's not meant to be taken analytically, because it's sort of written like fables. Would you sit and take the Iliad and Odyssey literally? Like from the perspective that they really did have to fight all these monsters, and end up trapped by Calypso. Do you really think an actual flood was started and 2 of each animal gathered? that would be impossible. No one was ever drowned, so this is silly to me. The questions I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I225Vcs3X0g (why the flood couldn't happen)

I'm not a christian, but if it were read and understood from that perspective, you would find a message. Nothing more to it than symbolism and laws of the land. God ruling over all, and the tests being put forth through dramatic means in words. That being said there is a lot of truth and good in the bible. It's just not my chosen path.

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I'm also aware of gnosticism beliefs that there is an evil material god of the earth, and a higher power god of the spirit world. The suffering on earth right now is a good example of this. Bible stories are not. That being said, do you support the beliefs of riding the world of it's materialistic evil god? Do you wish to only have the one true god of spirit be in existence? This idea is interesting to me. I want to know more about this part of gnosticism.

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I'm also aware of gnosticism beliefs that there is an evil material god of the earth, and a higher power god of the spirit world. The suffering on earth right now is a good example of this. Bible stories are not. That being said, do you support the beliefs of riding the world of it's materialistic evil god? Do you wish to only have the one true god of spirit be in existence? This idea is interesting to me. I want to know more about this part of gnosticism.

You are correct in your first post as to not reading scriptures literally and that is basically why I wrote it as written so that literal readers would see that it does not work that way.

As to Gnostics, please remember that they did not take their own scriptures literally and that they used them only for opening discussions of logic and reason.

What Gnostic Christians did shows this quite clearly. They were the goats to Christian sheep.

Both read the Bible day and night; but you read black where I read white.
William Blake.

"That being said, do you support the beliefs of riding the world of it's materialistic evil god?"

Hell no. He is a tool of survival and evolution.
You are an evolving creature. Right?
As evolving creatures al we do all the time is either cooperate or compete.
These can be thought of as cooperating being good and competing being evil.
As you see, for evolution to work, both good and evil must be in play.
Right?

" Do you wish to only have the one true god of spirit be in existence?"

My wishes aside, I live in the reality that there is only one destination or God for us to evolve into after death.
Apotheosis showed me this.

In this, we have no choice. The tadpole has no choice other than top become a frog.

If modern man was not materialistic to some extent, he would likely go extinct or back to the trees.

Pharaoh wanted to have enough grain for a seven year rotation showing that it is a good survival trait in case of drought.

Regards
DL