My allies have advised me to ask about this...
Before I was enlightened I used to end dreams I didn't like by searching for the nearest death and committing suicide.
Last night I threw myself at a crusher to get out of a dream for a reason I don't remember. Then an ally appeared and told me to get back in my body and wake up. This was in a semi-lucid dream.
So what I want to know is... now that I am enlightened have things changed?
dream suicide
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Nahemah
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Re: dream suicide
So what I want to know is... now that I am enlightened have things changed?
Or : now that things have changed am I enlightened?
I 'd certainly venture you are further down the rabbit hole than before,for sure. [grin]
No more easy way out,stay in the space or leave and wake.The decision is yours alone.......
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akimbomoss
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Re: dream suicide
There's more too.
Don Juan said that people we know well who appear to us in dreams are actually beings from a far away plane. I saw a childhood friend that I have not spoken to in years there crying. He stopped by this refrigerator (crusher) and it started shaking. I didn't like it so I decided to "command" the fridge to flatten me into the opposite wall. It did and I flattened but I had that same "enlightenment" feeling like when my third eye was crow-bared open by Belial. It feels like anxious sweat and I know exactly what it means. It means the Eagle or Great Spirit is licking my soul trying to decide if it wants to eat the rest of me. Of course it doesn't want to eat me now if it can help it.
I guess I'm just pissed off because I am never alone now. My allies are always there, in my dreams and during the day trying to figure out betters ways of getting the "blob" or "ego" to flee my being. Just yesterday Patanjali killed my ego for 10 seconds. I loved it. I guess I love the feeling of never being alone but you give up your indulgences. Now every step I take is important and means nothing simultaneously.
Don Juan said that people we know well who appear to us in dreams are actually beings from a far away plane. I saw a childhood friend that I have not spoken to in years there crying. He stopped by this refrigerator (crusher) and it started shaking. I didn't like it so I decided to "command" the fridge to flatten me into the opposite wall. It did and I flattened but I had that same "enlightenment" feeling like when my third eye was crow-bared open by Belial. It feels like anxious sweat and I know exactly what it means. It means the Eagle or Great Spirit is licking my soul trying to decide if it wants to eat the rest of me. Of course it doesn't want to eat me now if it can help it.
I guess I'm just pissed off because I am never alone now. My allies are always there, in my dreams and during the day trying to figure out betters ways of getting the "blob" or "ego" to flee my being. Just yesterday Patanjali killed my ego for 10 seconds. I loved it. I guess I love the feeling of never being alone but you give up your indulgences. Now every step I take is important and means nothing simultaneously.
Re: dream suicide
In my understanding of things "you" were never alone. Now you just know it and are clearly more aware of it. Perhaps now your expanded awareness has attracted more beings, but you were never alone.
What I would like to know is this: what do you mean when you make the statement "now that I am enlightened"?
Maybe I am mistaken, but I would not say you are using the word "enlightened" correctly. Is "awakened" not the intended word?
What I would like to know is this: what do you mean when you make the statement "now that I am enlightened"?
Maybe I am mistaken, but I would not say you are using the word "enlightened" correctly. Is "awakened" not the intended word?
Pull your fucking head out of the clouds and remember why you are here
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akimbomoss
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Re: dream suicide
Words are byrds ^o^ [happy2] . Awakened not enlightened.yyxx wrote: Maybe I am mistaken, but I would not say you are using the word "enlightened" correctly. Is "awakened" not the intended word?
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Re: dream suicide
Ok balance has been brought to the force. Now seemingly ALL beings are sitting with me in a restaurant. One of them tries to pay with credit card but it's regected. Even granpa's is regected. The waitress says when these things happen we need to come back on sunday.
I think the beings are trying to be melodramatic for the same reason that Don Juan said to read poetry! Luckily I listen to musAC.
Oh oh oh... and the being(S) can't pay for !Music for the Mind! gotcha OK
I think the beings are trying to be melodramatic for the same reason that Don Juan said to read poetry! Luckily I listen to musAC.
Oh oh oh... and the being(S) can't pay for !Music for the Mind! gotcha OK
Re: dream suicide
[greensmile] Words are indeed byrds [greensmile]akimbomoss wrote: Words are byrds ^o^ [happy2] . Awakened not enlightened.
I'm just a pedantic shit [crazy]
Pull your fucking head out of the clouds and remember why you are here
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Nahemah
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Re: dream suicide
Don''t knock the Pedantry,lol,we are upholding the language so that future generations can benefit...... [eg]
Your dreamscape sounds like a lot of fun atm,akimbomoss.Come back Sunday,meh...... [greensmile]
I'm not overly familiar with Castaneda,I approach this from a Northern perspective,but melodrama is there for a purpose,yes,it fixes the setting and caharacters in your mind,makes it stand out.Analyse it?
Your dreamscape sounds like a lot of fun atm,akimbomoss.Come back Sunday,meh...... [greensmile]
I'm not overly familiar with Castaneda,I approach this from a Northern perspective,but melodrama is there for a purpose,yes,it fixes the setting and caharacters in your mind,makes it stand out.Analyse it?
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Re: dream suicide
Just remember not to fall foul of the four natural enemies of man when calling yourself enlightened - thats the biggest teaching I took from Castaneda's books. Its much like the concept that youre not insane if you think you are, youre more often than not not enlightened until you realise that enlightenment isnt a place but a never ending journey of self realisation and growth.
Anyone can be awakened to the fact that they were asleep up until a certain point however - thats the goal of most magical experiences; to wake oneself from materialistic slumber and reliance on mundane things in favour of an esoteric approach to life. Even if your magical path is just nudging possibility and probability here and there youre still awakening to a new way of doing things that you were previously sleeping through.
As for killing yourself in your dreams - whats the point? If you have that degree of control over your own mind then why not get more creative and instead twist the dream into a pleasing narrative rather than just brutalising yourself right out of it?
Anyone can be awakened to the fact that they were asleep up until a certain point however - thats the goal of most magical experiences; to wake oneself from materialistic slumber and reliance on mundane things in favour of an esoteric approach to life. Even if your magical path is just nudging possibility and probability here and there youre still awakening to a new way of doing things that you were previously sleeping through.
As for killing yourself in your dreams - whats the point? If you have that degree of control over your own mind then why not get more creative and instead twist the dream into a pleasing narrative rather than just brutalising yourself right out of it?
Re: dream suicide
I think that there are two ways to look at these dream suicides (I’m sure there are more but that’s what strikes me). Bear in mind, this is a surface reading and in your intuition you know the truth.
One way is that this represents a latent tendency to self-destruction. Since we know nothing about your life it is impossible to say what may be the origin of this. In this interpretation, your view of yourself as an ‘enlightened being’ is a compensation for whatever is driving this suicidal tendency.
Another way of looking at this is more positive; the suicide may reflect a need to kill off aspects of ego which are hindering your development. In this way the ‘enlightenment’ is a healing symbol of a state attained from this symbolic suicide.
I think it is a fairly firm rule that if astral beings are telling you that you are the recipient of a special revelation, are a great master or some order of higher being that they are suspect. Even if you are an Otherkin, for example, being more ‘grounded’ will be a sign it may be true. All of these practices involve work and development and when you really reach the point of ‘enlightenment’ (I hope you do) then you will not need anything else to tell you. The watchword is ‘discernment.’
One way is that this represents a latent tendency to self-destruction. Since we know nothing about your life it is impossible to say what may be the origin of this. In this interpretation, your view of yourself as an ‘enlightened being’ is a compensation for whatever is driving this suicidal tendency.
Another way of looking at this is more positive; the suicide may reflect a need to kill off aspects of ego which are hindering your development. In this way the ‘enlightenment’ is a healing symbol of a state attained from this symbolic suicide.
I think it is a fairly firm rule that if astral beings are telling you that you are the recipient of a special revelation, are a great master or some order of higher being that they are suspect. Even if you are an Otherkin, for example, being more ‘grounded’ will be a sign it may be true. All of these practices involve work and development and when you really reach the point of ‘enlightenment’ (I hope you do) then you will not need anything else to tell you. The watchword is ‘discernment.’