Do I have to keep doing liber mmm mind control

[beero]

Hi
I've been trying to keep up practice with the mind control exercises in liber mmm ( eg visualizing glyph, motionlessness, sound concentration etc) for a long time, I'm not sure if they are intended as introductory exercises only or intended to be done as a regular practice ongoing most days?

thanks

[hyperRitual]

When you have done them daily for a while, you can maintain pretty well by doing them less frequently -- say, three days per week (IIRC, that is what is suggested in LLL). But I can tell you from personal experience that if you cease doing them altogether, you will (if you are like me) lose their benefits.

[Archangelos]

Hi
I've been trying to keep up practice with the mind control exercises in liber mmm ( eg visualizing glyph, motionlessness, sound concentration etc) for a long time, I'm not sure if they are intended as introductory exercises only or intended to be done as a regular practice ongoing most days?

thanks

Good grief! This is retarded! What in the blazes are you doing Liber MMM all the time for? For goodness, sakes, man. Pull yourselves together! This is ridiculousness!

Don't you ever have any Bible reading or prayer time, or play Play Station or anything? My goodness, I swear!

Burn the damned book!

You know you occultists don't know the first thing about being Protestant! I tell you you need some Christmas and some Holiday cheer, blast you!

You need some egg nog and Christmas carols!

[Nahemah]

You know you occultists don't know the first thing about being Protestant!

Well,that's not quite true,lol.
Some of us Occultists do,but how many protestants know anything about being an Occultist,I wonder...? Hmm... [crazy]

Answers should be submitted on a fag paper,carefully addressed to:

Someone who Cares,
P.O.Box 23,
Astral Plane Heights.
WK TR 0L 1

Best answer wins a free interwebs! [rofl]

[beero]

one of the exercises involves sitting & not even blinking, half an hour is the suggested time to do this, is this something most experienced chaos magicians can achieve?

[hyperRitual]

one of the exercises involves sitting & not even blinking, half an hour is the suggested time to do this, is this something most experienced chaos magicians can achieve?

Yes, you should be able to "sit quietly, doing nothing" (Zen) for at least 30 minutes, although the not-blinking part is not always observed (but I do know Chaos magicians who have done it for the entire time). When I first began meditating, five minutes felt like a brutal eternity, but by the time I completed MMM, I had no problem meditating for 30 or more minutes, several times per week.

[Meresis Wergamoth]

I like to compare Magic with Martial Arts. Is it still important to practice basic techniques as sidekicks even at an advanced level?

My opinion is that you will always have to keep practicing in order to stay to your best, but less often than at the begining, allowing you to have more time for more advanced techniques. In addition, keeping practicing them is an occasion to reach even better skills (kick higher, or visualise clearer). As these basic skills are in fact the building blocs of more advanced stuff, everything you will do even at an advanced level will depend on your mastery of the basics... You know, I believe these techniques are harder to learn than advanced stuff, because the later are mainly a stacking up of the former... and is also funnier....

(if you read between the lines you can understand that in fact in doing more advanced stuff you will be practicing the basic blocs almost without noticing it! [grin] When I was in the Golden Dawn I had a minimum number of banishings to practice everyday... but as I began to integrate other rituals (each requesting banishing at the beginning and at the end) I was in fact doing more practice with less efforts, as it was all parts of a big ritual that was funnier than the separated pieces... just as a Martial art form integrate previous elements and is more fun because of the flow...)

Archangelos: I hope you are joking, or it is almost disrespectful... In my humble advice, practicing magic is more fun than video games (because all the time you invest to level up your character in the game, your real life skills are going weaker, and life is the most perfect and HD of all games after all, so let's care about enhencing the powers and skills of your character in this bigger game: yourself!)

And I would say I had a lot more fun at Samhain this year than a lot of Christians at Christmas (and we also have a christmas: Yule... at the only difference that it has nothing commecial... oh and Christmas is only a copy of Yule, that is pre-christian, and is the Sabbat(holiday) of the resurection of the sun...)

I don't see how being Protestant is funnier... the fun is where we find it four ourselves, following our heart... i'm glad you're happy with it, but I would be so bored in it, so it is a personnal choice I guess...

Anyway, Merry Yule, Bro! [gz]


Frater E.L.M.W.O.O.D.S.

[hyperRitual]

^ +1

[Nahemah]

^+2

[beero]

Thanks for the advice. I think these exercises are good meditation exercises in any case, I'm going to start making time to make sure and do them everyday again. Maybe make it a new years' resolution.

Happy holidays everyone!

[Meresis Wergamoth]

DON'T FORGET TO HAVE FUN DOING IT! [grin]

That is very important, nothing worthless can be accomplished in chaos magick without fun! Having to impose some discipline to yourself is ok, but if it becomes boring, vary the exercises, find some stimulating way to do it, or do something else!

By example, Vitimus's ''Hand on Chaos Magic'' is a wonderful exercises book with tons of fun variants on those things. I warmly recomend it for the beginner as well as the advanced student, it is a gold mine, and everything is very well explained.

Or just find out for yourself how all of this can become stimulating and fun!

Best wishes for the new year! [gz]

[Clockwork Ghost]

You have to keep doing them until hamsters crawl out of your eyes. Only then will you have done them enough.

[beero]

Is it common for people to have used self hypnosis to get to the point where they are good at these exercises, or to use a hypnotic trigger to get into the state to do them
I'm at the point where I can visualize a glyph for round about 20 mins, without TOO many breaks in concentration, I think I'm getting there

[Big Paul]

I just forced myself to not blink for the last half hour simply out of curiosity.

It's quite intense on the concentration front. I am intrigued...