Grouping Sigils

[Albion]

Hi All

The notion of using sigils together intrigues me.

Would a useful analogy be that each sigil is a component of a circuit board eg. one to grab energy, one to filter it, one to direct it?

Do you charge them individually?

Would anyone like to share an example of such an assembly, pl?

Albion

[Clockwork Ghost]

Each sigil contains a Statement of Intent (SOI) that represents the sigils purpose. The SOI could be 'It is my will that I pass this exam' for example. When you create a sigil, you 'fire' the sigil through entering into a state of 'gnosis', which is sort of like a powerful meditatory trance where the only thing that exists for you is the sigil. There are quite a lot of ways for entering a state of gnosis - any state of extreme heightened awareness could be considered a gnostic state, from the spinning of whirling dervishes, to extreme dancing, to extreme pain, to orgasm, to holding your breath until you pass out.

Once the sigil is fired it becomes activated and can be forgotten about as an SOI and instead viewed subconciously as a sigil. Therefore, combining a whole bunch of sigils is merely creating a mass SOI of component parts - each SOI would be individually fired through gnosis and the resulting hypersigil would operate in much the same way. People have done this before - the comic book saga 'The Invisibles' by Grant Morrison is a hypersigil, for instance as it combines a massive number of sigils and uses them to tell a story subconciously into the minds of the reader in conjunction with the words of the comic intself. As any symbol can be a sigil if its prepared with a SOI and fired, then a layered set of sigils with multiple SOI's is easily conceivable and completely within the bounds of reason.

[reptilian]

I have a number of sigils that I use over and over, and I combine them all the time. I also often combine my sigils with the LS, so in my experience, it works well. And I don't charge or fire sigils, just design them and write them on things.

[Clockwork Ghost]

I have a number of sigils that I use over and over, and I combine them all the time. I also often combine my sigils with the LS, so in my experience, it works well. And I don't charge or fire sigils, just design them and write them on things.

I have the LS sigil on the back of my car - Ellis has kept me from having any accidents so far, which is pretty damn great really.

[Albion]

Thanks Both

I have trawled through masses of stuff about the creation and evolution of Ellis....Disturbing reading at times.

Interesting that you use it to protect you given its (her) reputation. Is the LS symbol combined with anything else in this instance? I interpret that LS is working as a kind of energy sigil but surely then needs another sigil to direct that energy. Or does your will direct it?

Am I taking things to literally - being to simplistic?

Albion

[Clockwork Ghost]

Thanks Both

I have trawled through masses of stuff about the creation and evolution of Ellis....Disturbing reading at times.

Interesting that you use it to protect you given its (her) reputation. Is the LS symbol combined with anything else in this instance? I interpret that LS is working as a kind of energy sigil but surely then needs another sigil to direct that energy. Or does your will direct it?

Am I taking things to literally - being to simplistic?

Albion

The Red Queen seems quite happy to protect her own, for some reason. I've been in some rather nasty car accidents in the past, so putting a sigil on my car isn't a case of protecting from something that will never happen. I also know quite a reasonable number of people who have the LS sigil either tattooed or branded onto their bodies - they call themselves 'fleshcrafted' when they get this done. For a chaos god form, Ellis isnt as destructive as her counterparts - Eris and Discordia seems far more open to out and out insanity in comparison.

As for pairing the LS sigil with other sigils - I havent done so in the case of my car as its merely an observance and a request for help in protection by the Red Queen herself. If I was looking to invoke her I would use other sigils, such as one for protection or one for directing the energy somewhere, but as my intention is merely to identify my car with Ellis then the LS sigil is all I need.

[reptilian]

Ellis is both more and less complicated than she appears to be. She still serves her original purpose in providing a magical energy matrix, but she has also become borderline-godform as well. As a result, when you need additional "juice", or when you need her personal flavor or intent, either case is a valid reason for using the LS.

The Red Queen, as I am usually loathe to call her because she and I go back much further than that, does seem to reward loyalty in kind, however, so a lot of us (especially Marauders, in spirit, anyway) are inclined to look for her protection and personal favor.

[Albion]

Case

I noted your posts on the Loki thread a couple of days ago.

Given the activities of the Marauder Underground (as referred to below), could there have been a Loki influence there or am I just being fanciful?

Albion

[Clockwork Ghost]

Case

I noted your posts on the Loki thread a couple of days ago.

Given the activities of the Marauder Underground (as referred to below), could there have been a Loki influence there or am I just being fanciful?

Albion

I'm sorry, but I have no idea. I came into the DKMU rather late, so I dont know a huge amount about their creation. Youre best to go right to the source and ask questions at the DKMU site if youre interested in knowing more about their ethos and construction. I've linked you to their 'Death by Lollipop' forum below.

http://www.deathbylollipop.com/forum/

[Albion]

Thanks, Case.

As it happens, I was merely interested in your perspective as I have appreciated your input thus far ie. just trying to spark a debate!

Best regards

Albion

[Clockwork Ghost]

Thanks, Case.

As it happens, I was merely interested in your perspective as I have appreciated your input thus far ie. just trying to spark a debate!

Best regards

Albion

Oh, right.

Knowing the DKMU perspective, I'd say it's not Norse - it's one of pirates and sailing the seven seas. The paradigm revolves, from what I understand, around Zalty the mariner, Ellis the Red Queen, and an entity called Doombringer. There are also walrus' and mice (oistars) thrown in there for good measure. Its a Chaos Magic guild that takes the paradigm piracy stance, hence the pirate perspective, so I cant see any real scope for anything Norse at all.

That said, you could say that all trickster gods are one and the same - Loki could just be seen as the cultural representation, or 'face', of the trickster hive-mind, and there is definitely a strong trickster element present within the DKMU. They value chaos and madness above all things, their tagging program (glitterbombing) where they have attempted to mark everything with the LS sigil being one angle of this, and this could be seen as a sign that Loki in one of his guises is prevalent within their makeup, yes.

[reptilian]

Thanks, Case.

As it happens, I was merely interested in your perspective as I have appreciated your input thus far ie. just trying to spark a debate!

Best regards

Albion

Oh, right.

Knowing the DKMU perspective, I'd say it's not Norse - it's one of pirates and sailing the seven seas. The paradigm revolves, from what I understand, around Zalty the mariner, Ellis the Red Queen, and an entity called Doombringer. There are also walrus' and mice (oistars) thrown in there for good measure. Its a Chaos Magic guild that takes the paradigm piracy stance, hence the pirate perspective, so I cant see any real scope for anything Norse at all.

That said, you could say that all trickster gods are one and the same - Loki could just be seen as the cultural representation, or 'face', of the trickster hive-mind, and there is definitely a strong trickster element present within the DKMU. They value chaos and madness above all things, their tagging program (glitterbombing) where they have attempted to mark everything with the LS sigil being one angle of this, and this could be seen as a sign that Loki in one of his guises is prevalent within their makeup, yes.

I couldn't have said it better.

[Albion]

This stuff is pure gold, folks!

One of the things that undoubtedly restricts me in my magical work is the assumption that everything has to conform to a simple rule eg THIS is the way a sigil is created and any other way won't work. (pl bear in mind that my background is not in Chaos Magick).

As I understand it, chaotes are more of a "Let's see what happens if we do it THIS way!" Thus, for some, a sigil doesn't need to have a SOI that sounds like a legal document - it's just a matter of having a CLEAR INTENT with the sigil merely representing this.

So, for instance, was the LS subject to a written SOI?

Okay, so I'm like a dog worrying a bone on this sigil stuff but I'm finding it bloody interesting!

Albion

[reptilian]

Yes, the LS was created with a statement of intent: "linking sigil".

The general method of sigil magic is outlined, but since the mind is capable of interpreting symbols in many ways, sigils can be designed and used many ways. You can use a statement of intent, or draw a nonsensical doodle, or create a pictogram. I've done all of the above with relatively equal degrees of success.

[Clockwork Ghost]

Yes, the LS was created with a statement of intent: "linking sigil".

Yes, from what I understand of the original workings of the LS sigil, the SOI was that each of the LS sigils would connect together into a web that Ellis could travel through.

[reptilian]

Well, initially Ellis either hadn't formed yet or was hiding. We didn't intend for her to become an egregore but decided to give her a name when she did. The original intent was just to create a web/matrix of magical energy that people could tap into, for the purpose of glitterbombing and spreading "weird" energies. We got way more than we bargained for, but we're pretty happy about it, I think.

[Lectus]

I've had an idea similar to this. I don't know if anyone tried it.
But basically you create 2 or more sigils which different SOIs in a way that each SOI indirectly contributes to the other. Then you charge all of them individually.
In theory it should enhance the total chance of the bigger goal by giving you the smaller goals that are part of the bigger goal.

[KeeCoyote]

Look into Rune Valdr. You dont have to be attuned to use the symbols in it but you can if you want. Look at the way they work and together and that should give you a idea of linking sigils together.