Deals with Satan

[Xunux]

I was wondering if you can actually make a deal with Satan that could get me my desires on Earth. If so how would I go about doing so? Please forgive my ignorance to the subject. I just want to understand more occult knowledge and I am new to all this.

[Taiyounoryu]

Well, I'm not as read up on satanism as some other people on this board but I can say I know a little. There is quite a few different forms of satanism so depending on a persons background you'll get a different answer.

A laveyan Satanist is basically a Buddhist with atheist religious belief so they wouldn't be much help, as they don't believe in Satan as an actually deity. He's more of a philosophy for them. While any spiritual Satanist actually believes in him as a Christian believes in god.

Personally, I think any gift has to be earned.. And it might not be what you expect. I wouldn't say Satan gives out blues talent, or a free Ferrari but he can give other things. To get anything I would guess you would have to follow that path. In my experience satanism gave me a very different outlook on the world, and a good bit of knowledge about the occult and the unexplained. I wish I got a hot girlfriend out of it, but didnt [cry2]

I think following any path can open good things into your life. Sorry if I'm rambling, very tired and trying to help with detail. Not sure if it's any help /shrug

I'm not sure if Case is on the board since I havent logged on in awhile.. Hopefully she/he see's this. That person seems pretty knowledgeable with Demons and Satanism.

[Rin]

Nope. Doesn't work like that.

[Muloc7253]

I recommend you read a bit into the subject first. Find out about the various kinds of Satanism (or different spiritual systems that share the same name), find out in general how magick works and the risks/requirements involved, then come back and ask something a bit more specific. Best of luck to you.

[adawehi]

I've read a bit of Anton Levay's works. Most of what I've read however isn't related to Satanism. Based on those readings imho, one doesn't make deals with anyone. You simply ask for whatever it is you want within the rules of physics and you'll either recive it or be shown how you can go about requiring whatever it is you want.

According to Anton's beliefs, [excerpt from The Satanic Bible]

1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than
those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual
development", has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional
gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all
these years!

[Iesus]

Satan don't exist so it gives nothing. Anton Lavey knows there is a GOD but as people with knowledge understand GOD does nothing never has done anything so Anton Lavey didn't worship GOD as neither did Crowley they understood that we are god heads and they seek'd that level on their own paths. If you want stuff giving to you or you want to change the cosmic order of operations and make your desires come to you like a magnet i recommend you learn the cosmic laws such as law of attraction I will help you a little bit so you understand. We as people think when we think it causes a physical vibration which in turns moves energy which you can manipulate that energy by concentrating, mediating, etc.. the WORLD is Universal Consciousness meaning it can be programmed.

[jthorp]

Satan don't exist so it gives nothing. Anton Lavey knows there is a GOD but as people with knowledge understand GOD does nothing never has done anything so Anton Lavey didn't worship GOD as neither did Crowley they understood that we are god heads and they seek'd that level on their own paths. If you want stuff giving to you or you want to change the cosmic order of operations and make your desires come to you like a magnet i recommend you learn the cosmic laws such as law of attraction I will help you a little bit so you understand. We as people think when we think it causes a physical vibration which in turns moves energy which you can manipulate that energy by concentrating, mediating, etc.. the WORLD is Universal Consciousness meaning it can be programmed.

What the hell are you doing in the Satanist section if you are obviously ignorant and against Satanism? Sorry...but go preach someplace else.

[Stukov]

Satan don't exist so it gives nothing. Anton Lavey knows there is a GOD but as people with knowledge understand GOD does nothing never has done anything so Anton Lavey didn't worship GOD as neither did Crowley they understood that we are god heads and they seek'd that level on their own paths. If you want stuff giving to you or you want to change the cosmic order of operations and make your desires come to you like a magnet i recommend you learn the cosmic laws such as law of attraction I will help you a little bit so you understand. We as people think when we think it causes a physical vibration which in turns moves energy which you can manipulate that energy by concentrating, mediating, etc.. the WORLD is Universal Consciousness meaning it can be programmed.

What the hell are you doing in the Satanist section if you are obviously ignorant and against Satanism? Sorry...but go preach someplace else.

Admin/moderators have talked to him in other threads and with his last post he has gotten better at discussing a topic rather than preaching. If you would, don't feed him further and if there are any issues with him doing so please use the report function. If I can just remember how to see those...

[jthorp]

All is nifty. There are those people out there that have honest questions and can't ask them without being barraged by preachy non-Satanists. LOL! Or worse, LaVeyans....(j/k)

[alex nero]

The only "deal" you can make with Satan is to pledge allegiance to Him.When you serve a King,it doesn't involve giving loyalty in exchange for something.It involves being loyal no matter what you receive or lose,in good times and bad.Satan gives blessings to His own,in the form of influencing people,and assisting in magical success.But this is at the discretion of Satan himself. I myself ,a theistic Satanist/Luciferist ,have received blessings without using ritual or even expressing my desires.Upon reflection,I remembered that I had exalted and defended Satan to others recently,prior to that.Since I believe in Satan,I believe Satan is aware of my activities,and when pleased He may affect my life in a positive way.If I were not loyal to Him,this would not be the case.A pledge of loyalty to Satan is a wonderful thing,but it must be taken seriously.You don't ally with Satan,and then stick your hands out looking for a handout of everything you ever wanted.You don't ally with Satan,then get bored or frustrated and decide to end your association and walk away,like nothing ever happened.So think about what you are doing before you make a deal,pledge,or pact.

[biguns]

The only "deal" you can make with Satan is to pledge allegiance to Him.When you serve a King,it doesn't involve giving loyalty in exchange for something.It involves being loyal no matter what you receive or lose,in good times and bad.Satan gives blessings to His own,in the form of influencing people,and assisting in magical success.But this is at the discretion of Satan himself. I myself ,a theistic Satanist/Luciferist ,have received blessings without using ritual or even expressing my desires.Upon reflection,I remembered that I had exalted and defended Satan to others recently,prior to that.Since I believe in Satan,I believe Satan is aware of my activities,and when pleased He may affect my life in a positive way.If I were not loyal to Him,this would not be the case.A pledge of loyalty to Satan is a wonderful thing,but it must be taken seriously.You don't ally with Satan,and then stick your hands out looking for a handout of everything you ever wanted.You don't ally with Satan,then get bored or frustrated and decide to end your association and walk away,like nothing ever happened.So think about what you are doing before you make a deal,pledge,or pact.

How did you pledged alliance to satan if I might ask? Is there an specific procedure? I ask because I know somebody once did it as a teen out of spite to Christianity, but it was in his own way.

[Arckangel]

According to Faust, Satan is Governor Supreme of the Infernal Empire: http://www.blackmagick.com/infernal_tarot_cards1.html http://www.magitech.com/faust/caput_tertium.html .

There are simple methods allowing one to strike a deal with Him. Just writing Him a letter describing what one is willing to give Him and expects to receive from Him, and signing it in ink or blood might have a positive effect. Results vary from a mage to another. Experienced magicians might actually try to evoke Him and do something more advanced.

[nicholas]

Lucifer's gift was knowledge. Lucifer continues to gift humanity and yet very few humans even use that knowledge Google was one of Lucifer's gifts to the human race. We as humans also have a brain which is an incredible machine which can bring the immaterial into the material.

The word "satan" means "adversary". Why would I ask an adversary for help??? Rather use the tools Lucifer gave you, and if you need more help than call upon his demons, such as those in the Goetia. Emotions, desires, characteristics, etc are all tools that Lucifer gives us as individuals to use for our own benefit. Sadly, most humans are too lazy, fearful, weak minded to use the tools to improve their lives. Using the tools take effort. Want a mountain of gold? Lucifer will give it to you but will not magically make it appear before you.

I sincerely hope my words have shed light on the subject.

[Arckangel]

Satan is an adversary of what might stand in the way of His followers' freedom, liberation etc.