What the hell is a Higher Self?

[adawehi]

At most I was saying to you, consider the perspective of this supposed lover, not consider the truthfulness of these actors claims.

Unless I misunderstood the OP, the point of the posting was because of the other actors. I didn't check but if memory serves me correctly the supposed Angel or Higher Self claimed that one of the OP's flames would commit suicide if she didn't choose him. The gentleman himself as I understood has never made this claim.

Past life or no, How many of us really remember any past lives? I assuredly don't. I would think all of us have had some torch for someone who we felt we could no longer live without in this lifetime. Again, I assuredly have and I survived without them just fine. This single feeling we have all experienced in this lifetime is what I believe the gentleman may be experiencing if in fact the discussion did take place.

We also don't know the age of the participants which would be helpful. First loves are always the hardest and seldom last.

For me the Higher Self is the subconscious which also is a gateway for our conscious mind to access the Ethereal Plane whether to manipulate, send or receive,, whatever our need/s demands. It's a bit more detailed than that but in a nutshell and a few lines I think you understand my gist.

[Occultess]

Hi, again.

I think I figured out what's going on. Near as I can tell, it's like this:

While we have a life planned out for us (by who, not totally sure) the gods have a plan, too. This plan, for those they want to help them out, necessitates (at the very least in their eyes) said person to abandon the original plan. The one I choose, is part of my original plan, the one they want me to be with is part of theirs. Any deceit they may have made would be on the part of trying to get me to follow their plan instead of the other. I don't think their trying to be malignant, just....to them it's right, or it's what they want, or it's important....whatever exactly.

She even came by the other day and.....well, I'm not great as "hearing" spirits, but I THINK she said, "You don't understand". Not my usual way of communication.

As for the other guy killing himself, well,....while I was on that one online tarot place I was talking about earlier I asked about it and there was some card drawn...something about the guy on the card didn't let things bother him, or something. So, it looks like, (if that was a good reading) he'll be fine.

I'm not sure I'll answer all of the things you guys have asked/said tonight, but I'll get to it maybe tomorrow or something. And thanks for helping me out with all of this! Things have gotten really clear. [happyface]

[Occultess]

I had a bunch of stuff whirling around in my head reading all that, but I need some markers to try to align things correctly.

1) Your "destined/past love", do you know this man in person? Have you met him?
2) Who was the god that came and spoke to you, or did you just call him "the rogue"? If you know no name, please describe his looks/features/mannerisms.
3) If there are those "interfering" with your free will, I may be able to assist you, however I would need a picture of what you look like, or a detailed description (both physically you and your astral/higher self) as I don't want to bump the wrong persons head, also any animals you are connected with (or ones you change into)
4) Could you explain a little more (maybe just more clearly) about your "children", as I assume you meant the kids you had in past lives?
5) Does your father have any sort of training, knowledge, or ability in the "occult"? Is he still in your life right now?

1) No, I don't know him and I've never met him. I know of him, though. He's fairly well known.

2) The god that came and spoke to me introduced himself as Horus the Elder. He looked like an Eagle.

3) I'll have to think about this one a bit. What would you be doing? Plus, at this point, it's looking like something more far reaching then a couple of spirits.

4) Correct me if I'm talking about the wrong part (I skimmed back through my post, but I could have missed something): When I talked about my kids, they were possible future kids. If this is the part with the "back-up plan" you're talking about. If it's the part about "keeping me from leaving" then, I was referring to children of my father (not from this life, but from some time previous).

5) That's a little difficult for me to answer. He does have atleast some knowledge and ability, but I don't know the extent of it. I know he's learned stuff from martial arts training. He can astral-project. He can do that thing where you can make your hands really hot (surprised himself once by leaving a burn mark on someone's arm). He can regulate his own heartbeat. He showed me his "witch's Bible" once. I really don't know if he practices magick, and it was only a binder with some basic information like how to make a wand (atleast as far as I could tell at the time). He's the one who showed me how to will heat to come from my hands.

He's not in my life anymore. And he's recently moved out-of-state.

[adawehi]

Sorry I haven't been around in a bit to check back. I've been busy building a website.

"They" may have a plan for us which is fine if the plan is beneficial to us. That however can rob us of our free will.

It almost seems as if you went a bit far to me in letting these spirits into your life. I'd have to go back and reread the posts but jog my memory if you would. Did you ask which fellow would be your best choice instead of allowing your own heart, feelings, intuition etc make the choice? If so, in retrospect these spirits are doing precisely as you asked them to do.

You have options and are being shown both sides of your own arguments even. You have your "angel" and your "rogue" even. You're being shown your own thoughts and arguments. You're being shown a long winded way imho of them telling you,,, the choice is yours to make.

Btw, if you wouldn't mind, how does one heat their hands up? It gets cold here in Kentucky. All I can do is nearly pull the flame from a candle using telekinesis. Open flames get a bit to hot. [happy]

[Occultess]

Sorry I haven't been around in a bit to check back. I've been busy building a website.

"They" may have a plan for us which is fine if the plan is beneficial to us. That however can rob us of our free will.

It almost seems as if you went a bit far to me in letting these spirits into your life. I'd have to go back and reread the posts but jog my memory if you would. Did you ask which fellow would be your best choice instead of allowing your own heart, feelings, intuition etc make the choice? If so, in retrospect these spirits are doing precisely as you asked them to do.

You have options and are being shown both sides of your own arguments even. You have your "angel" and your "rogue" even. You're being shown your own thoughts and arguments. You're being shown a long winded way imho of them telling you,,, the choice is yours to make.

Btw, if you wouldn't mind, how does one heat their hands up? It gets cold here in Kentucky. All I can do is nearly pull the flame from a candle using telekinesis. Open flames get a bit to hot. [happy]

Ok....since my response to you got eaten TWICE.....I'm going to answer this one.....later.

[Q789]

I just couldn't help place my humble opinion on those 3 interesting questions Occultess.

Yes i do beleive, and have experienced entities to fake being your higher self- and more

No your true self does never lie to you. Your true self,is created as a HGA. If you ever have a direct experience with your HGA you will bleedin well know it. You will not boast about it, or pretend about it. It will affect you in many much deeper ways than you will have imagined. It will leave you with a sense of beauty and ore and will give you a sense of the importance of keeping silence, of keeping a secret spirit within you, you will realize that this is no fuckin bullshit, this magick is real serious stuff, you will realize that this reality is only the pendulum from the real universe. You will realize that you are the holder of higher realms of consciousness.
It will be such an experience you will know it is not a fake.

phew Q

[Stukov]

I just couldn't help place my humble opinion on those 3 interesting questions Occultess.

Yes i do beleive, and have experienced entities to fake being your higher self- and more

No your true self does never lie to you. Your true self,is created as a HGA. If you ever have a direct experience with your HGA you will bleedin well know it. You will not boast about it, or pretend about it. It will affect you in many much deeper ways than you will have imagined. It will leave you with a sense of beauty and ore and will give you a sense of the importance of keeping silence, of keeping a secret spirit within you, you will realize that this is no fuckin bullshit, this magick is real serious stuff, you will realize that this reality is only the pendulum from the real universe. You will realize that you are the holder of higher realms of consciousness.
It will be such an experience you will know it is not a fake.

phew Q

I'm gonna completely disagree with you that your "higher-self can't lie to you" because that is based on YOUR personality. People lie to themselves all the time to make them happier. They build versions of themselves as they like to see themselves rather than how they really are. Furthermore you have have certain things you want in your life - as your higher self is more aware of what's up ahead, it can easily lie to you to make sure you get where you need/want to go. That isn't even the lying to keep you alive. Certain paths lead you down a road that could end in your demise, if other methods don't work, you bet your ass that most people's higher self will lie to you in order to keep you alive.

With that being said, it doesn't mean every higher self will lie to you, or it does it all the time. You simply can't use "telling the truth" as the metric to decide whether it is your higher self or not.

[Q789]

Are we getting to 'higher selves' mixed up. We have guides, who can be contacted and we have the HGA who also can be contacted. I have experienced guides who had 'fibbed' to lead us to a learning experience. However, the HGA is a different matter.

[Nahemah]

Do excuse me if I reiterate others points or diverge greatly from them.My higher self is me + +. It's me with my freak on.The me that is self assured.
It's like me only pain free.Yeh.

This part of me is exactly that,part of me.It's not superior to other parts,just different from.

Why is this so complicated for so many people?

[Nahemah]

Ok. I've got some questions regarding the Higher Self.

1. Is it possible for a spirit to fake being your Higher Self?

2. Do Higher Selves ever lie/have personal agendas, etc.?

3. Is it a separate being from yourself (complete with a different appearance, different name and a life of their own)?

1. yes

2. yes

3.no.

Spirits are there,they are what they are,relative to your own perspective.

Higher self will do whatever is necessary to get you to where you need to go to.

Your higher self is you,part of you and of you,it is distinct and non distinct simultaneously.You get back what you give out,mostly,only amplified,sometimes.

[DrMummy]

In the Bible, when Moses meets God, God greets Moses with the phrase, "I AM THAT I AM"

Popeye the Sailorman paraphrases this sentiment by saying, "I yamz what I yamz an dat's all dat I yamz!"

Robert Anton Wilson asked the question, "Who is the magician who makes the grass green?"

When you come in to contact with your higher self, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's you, but higher[\b]. It's the realization of your place in the world, and when it comes, it does so without warning, and without being asked. And when you find it, there's no question about what it is, because it differs so drastically in nature from the thoughtforms that come and go. It silences all other voices without trying.

Let me share with you, my experience when I first came into contact with my higher self. I had been fighting with my girlfriend at the time, and I was feeling pretty terrible about aspects of myself that bothered her, but I could not change. I was exhausted, and at the end of my rope. At that point, I literally thought in resignation, "I am that I am." There was an almost audible crack, and the contents of my subconscious came pouring out. I was driving at the time, and I had to pull over because it was so intense. I laughed hysterically for a good 45 minutes.

Don't go looking for your higher self, because it's likely to get you fooled. Just forget that there is such a thing until IT FINDS YOU. As for any other beings, if what they say has no basis in observable facts that you understand, they're probably taking you for a ride. Discarnate beings are notorious for their epic lines of bullshit. ESPECIALLY when it comes to past lives/the Akashic record.

Pay attention only to insights that are useful for what you want accomplished in your lifetime. All else is useless junk.

[DrMummy]

If you're really serious about wanting to get in touch with your higher self, you can jumpstart the process through routine and solitude.

By this, I mean, take some time off of work/school. At least a week, but try for as long as you can get away with. Eat simply and sparingly. Refuse all company. Wake up, do some physical exercise, meditate, eat your meals, do your rituals, and sleep. Don't occupy your time with any reading or television. You want true alone time, free from thoughtform influences that tend to be tied to books/film.

Expect the process to be difficult and unpleasant. To a point at least. Eventually, you get into the groove of things, but I'm sure you know about all of this.