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I didn't know where to post this...

I want to stop masturbating (I am a guy) because I work with ascended masters and angels now and I want to refrain from making thoughtforms / servitors / succubi. I also want to do something useful with my sexual energy. I read this:

http://www.asianefficiency.com/health/s ... mutation/#
Your body knows the difference between sexual intercourse, and masturbation. Your mind does too. After intercourse, you get a healthy dose of oxytocin and testosterone. After masturbation, you mostly get dopamine, which can dramatically throw off your mental state (especially if you masturbate a lot).
This page proposes using sexual energy transmutation. Basically by masturbating I'm making my dopemine levels higher than they should be and testosterone levels lower than they should be. Oxytocin levels stay low.

I was going to try something like this:
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... on#p386034

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzTYCVIj6GY

The thing is I wonder if I'll give myself an increased risk of prostate cancer or some other problem. I can google "benefits of masturbation" and "problems with masturbation" and there seems to be too much information about this confusing subject and they don't cover sexual energy transmutation. The only thing I can think of is at one point in the above thread the body becomes like energy so maybe prostate cancer would be prevented by using this energy.

Yes I could have sex too but at this point in time it doesn't seem feasible to me as the opportunity cost is too high.

Has anybody tried this? If I follow this I could increase my testosterone and gain more energy... which I always seem to need more of.

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Alimbomoss, I am going to suggest a basic course in Sigmond Frued. As well as WIllhelm Reich. You see, a strong healthy person has a good strong sex drive. He/she has a free flow of sexual/emotional and spiritual energy. The whole key to magick is to unravel yourself, this produces a powerful free flow of energy from God to You(0 TO 1).
There is little difference between sexual and spiritual energy, except maybe the perspective.
Take, for example an angry maladjusted person- she/he has a blockage of energy- sexual energy.

The links you gave are trying to tell people to stop masturbating- well that sounds like a load of poppycock to me. Men do never stop masturbating- even when they are married. It is true you waste a deal of energy- but never to that extent that it would deter your every day life activities. The links suggest you may spend too much time doing this, well if that is the case- i doubt it. Stopping masturbating will not enhance your spiritual energies or personal energies. In fact if you stop it may drag your mind away from daily activities. As as for this 100 days stuff- that is total BS. I have personally noticed that 4 days is as much as you as going to build up. In fact a sex magickal act every 2 days to best- even tho i am nearly 50. If you are an athlete then say 5 days(before a fight, i used to ring fight)- but after that i go nuts.

In terms of Tantra. Take is like this, and any older person will tell you and i quote a gay friend "They don't know where their cock is when they are 20". The older you get the more sexual skills you SHOULD develop. Say the more powerful orgasms (O) you should have- and give for that matter. The more you can 'loose yourself' in the act- the more powerful the act. Also, of course, i have personally noted, that middle age is when the various erotic fetishes come out, some would call, the 'darker side' of sex. These practices in my opinion, are most powerful tantric practices. The soul breaks open and the infinite pours through. From my experience, it is not always the most powerful O that are the most successfully in terms of Tantra. As a young adept i once had a vision of the 'mouth that spews forth souls' during a casual morning wank. On the other hand i got a simple past life regression today. It seems that your skills and abilities are more important than a build up or sperm.

My suggestion is to forget those links, to stop obsessing or feeling guilty over regular masturbating and like any good healthy Thelemite- get lots of it, experiment, explore your sexuality and 'send thy seed into the night'. Explore, experiment and 'have your fill of love'. Why don't your try and work out 'Waste not a drop'?

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In the second link it says this is what eventually happens:
Eventually breathing and heartbeat seem to completely stop, this state may continue for hours, or days even if time permits.

This may eventually lead to the experience of the void and the creation of a spiritual body which may leave your physical body of its own accord.
Are there any other opinions out there? This is more eastern than Thelemite... and I never heard anybody say tantra was bad before. I don't really think of myself as a Thelemite as much anymore. I have explored my fetishes just not with women.

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Martin...first of all i think you need to seperate the two meanings.Meditation with Angels and ascended masters and the masturbation thing.Those two can't connect in any way.
You need to realise that you are a young,strong man and you certainly need to defuse all this energy that your body produces.It's only natural to masturbate especially if you're alone.I don't see any harm in this.

Now...meditation with Angels is a different thing.Yes you are a man and you need to satisfy your body,but you also need the techniques that you use cause they keep you stable and calm.They give you prospectives and they comfort you.So...you see...you have to seperate your sex life from your spiritual life.

Do you really believe that all the practitionairs who work with Angels,never have sex or masturbate?
They just do it for their own satisfaction.They don't confuse Angels with this physical procedure.

You are in a good path.I know you are trying to take control of many things there...and you are doing a very good job there.Believe me.

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Ιολη7, I tried the technique you gave me of visualizing the most beautiful girl who does not exist in my memory and it's always a face I've seen before somewhere. My mind doesn't really care that much about beauty anyway so I feel like I'm betraying myself.

I've come up with a more mundane solution that doesn't require me to become a buddhist monk. I wait a week between masturbating and if I get an urge before that I use the technique in the youtube link in the first post. Then I simply visualize my self in a location where I'm the most productive and have an orgasm to that (fvcking myself). It's not that spectacular but so far the results have been promising.

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Martin....you just don't get it hon..!! Seperate those two different things and you'll be just fine.You don't even have to imagine anyone.Just do it for you.We all have many roles in our everyday life.I mean...look at you.You are a son,a free man,a working man,a tender man,a practitionair and many many others.As you know how to treat your parents or how to speak to a woman or your boss,that's how you need to understand that masturbation is just a physical need.Just do it for you...noone else.Just you.Let Angels,out of it.I feel you are too close to achieve this also !!!! You are close.I know you'll succeed !!
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I don't know whether I'm depressed or what but I have such a low sex drive these days (I'm 26 but its been like this for years) that I only masturbate about once a week. I'm drowsy all the time. When I'm on amphetamines, I have loads of energy and my sex drive comes back with a vengeance so I can't help but masturbate at least once a day.

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akimbomoss wrote:In the second link it says this is what eventually happens:
Eventually breathing and heartbeat seem to completely stop, this state may continue for hours, or days even if time permits.

This may eventually lead to the experience of the void and the creation of a spiritual body which may leave your physical body of its own accord.
Are there any other opinions out there? This is more eastern than Thelemite... and I never heard anybody say tantra was bad before. I don't really think of myself as a Thelemite as much anymore. I have explored my fetishes just not with women.
I am intrigued by this quote, is it supposed to be difficult to experience the void through body/spirit separation?
I am currently 19 and have been doing this regularly (about 3 or 4 times a month) for nearly a year without going through much effort beyond researching void magick and perfecting my meditations (done long ago to eliminate stress). i know you linked an article but i'd rather not sift through it, how is one 'supposed' to accomplish this?

also, any purely mental issue i've come across in me or others could be and was solved through a method I've spent the last 2 years creating and refining. anyone interested can PM me if they want to try it, as i despise myself posting walls of unrelated text.

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I jerk off not to jerk off.

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I don't know if the links are bogus or not but I can say that only good things can happen if you abstain from "the sexy time". You will be all kinds of productive and should notice more positive spirits hanging out with you and guiding you into getting things done in life. When I abstain for a while I find myself being more productive and doing more stuff to make money also you when you do decide to do something it is alot more enjoyable and face it, no good spirit wants to hang out with a chronic masturbator. I would say to aim for once a day, or preferably once every other day, any more than that and it just gets crazy unless you own your own business or something where you can just put in as many hours of work you want to. If you're working with demons satanic stuff then I suggest 4 to 10 times a day to bring all those assholes around. I've gone both routes but it is different for everyone.

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You may want to read up on Taoist alchemy and Qigong. These ancient alchemists discovered and categorized (for lack of a better term) various forms of bio-electrical (for lack of a better term) energies known as Qi or Chi. Much of it is acquired from our environment, but there is a type of Qi known as "Yuan Qi," which is also called anscestral qi. This energy is closely linked to the concept of DNA. The scholars are unanimously of the opinion that this Qi is finite and when it runs out, we die. They also assert that each time we blow a load, we are using some of this qi up. It should be noted that the sperm cells, which die, aren't the Qi. They are a physical manifestation of the qi. The issue becomes critical after we turn 50 or so as our reserves of Yuan Qi begin to run low. Taoist alchemists employ a wide array of techs to harness this energy and channel it into other areas of the body with outstanding results. If you develop skill, you may not even want to crank on it anymore. Mantak Chia has a book on sexual Qigong and abother called "Dantien Qigong." Both of these are excellent, but learning the techs and having the discipline to do them regularly is a challenge. If you are weak willed, don't even try it. I wish you joy and growth.

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manonthepath wrote: Taoist alchemists employ a wide array of techs to harness this energy and channel it into other areas of the body with outstanding results.
What about the science about an increased risk of prostate cancer by not masturbating? Should we ignore it in favor of Taoist "tech"?

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I've found a most relevant post and will re-post it here to protect against bit rot and enable better searching since the best post (with original link) is not at the beginning of the page.

http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/7016/ ... n-question

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ne ... ancer-risk
MellowViper wrote:http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ne ... ancer-risk

The statistics aren't bunk. The study was conducted by PHD holding medical researchers at the University of Nottingham, and it was published in the BJU (British Journal of Urology), not by Fox News, not by Bob Jones University, but a reputable, scientific publication.

"For men in their 20s, "frequent masturbation" was two to seven times per week. Compared to same-age men who reported masturbating less than once per month, 20-something frequent masturbators had a 79% higher risk of prostate cancer by age 60."

"For men in their 50s, "frequent masturbation" was one or more times per week. Compared to same-age men who reported never masturbating, 50-something frequent masturbators had a 70% lower risk of prostate cancer."

"So it's not masturbation itself that's increasing prostate cancer risk in young men. More masturbation may just mean more sex drive -- and more androgens bathing prostate tissues"


"These are just theories, Dimitropoulou warns. More research is needed to determine the exact role of sex hormones and sexual activity in prostate-cancer risk at different stages of life."

Anyway, that's why I was saying they could find out, once and for all, if abstaining from masturbation plays any role in decreased cancer risk by studying the rate of prostate cancer in vedic monks and practitioners, who view abstinence from it as an act of penance.

"The findings were surprising. Sexual intercourse did not affect prostate cancer risk. But frequent masturbation did -- in different ways, at different times of life."

This is because sexual intercourse is normally done a lot less frequently. You don't have a partner willing to go at it with you all the time, but you do have a hand. I wanna be clear that I don't intend on abstaining altogether. I'm just thinking of keeping it to once or twice or three times a month, to the rates that the not at risk group were maturbating. If I did manage to stop completely, which I think may be impossible for a male in their 20's to do, it might raise my risk, because the men in there 50's who don't masturbate at all are at a higher risk. The researcher says that prostate cancer might not be preventable because of an inescapable sex drive dictated by genetics and a naturally higher level of hormones in the body. This is probably partially true, but I kind of think that forcing your body to replenish semen constantly might elevate certain hormone levels that might not be there otherwise, and this might have an affect on turning certain oncogenes on and off in the prostates tissue or something. I don't know. I'm no scientist. The frequency of masturbation may just be indicators of risk and not a causal factor at all though. I'm anxious to see a more conclusive study.

"It is kind of logical that a moderate level of masturbatory activity has to be maintained," she says. "Not too much, and not none at all."

I have a feeling, though, that science will find out, yet again, that the fundamentalists aren't 100% right, and the hedonists aren't 100% right. Its probably something in-between. It won't make you go blind, but there's probably a downside to overindulgence. For example, eating, like sex, is natural, but if you eat too much, you grow obese, become diabetic, and you die prematurely or have to live with a lower quality of life. That's the general rule of thumb I'm going off of in my decisiveness to abstain. The full implications and context of the study aren't understood yet, so I don't wanna get too preachy. Its just a personal choice for me, and I think its well reasoned enough.
"In mature age, it may be more important that toxins get flushed out of the system," she says. "And because the masturbation frequency was not as high in the men's 50s as it was in their 20s, even low levels of masturbation in the 50s has a protective effect."

These are just theories, Dimitropoulou warns. More research is needed to determine the exact role of sex hormones and sexual activity in prostate-cancer risk at different stages of life.

Meanwhile, Dimitropoulou, now at England's University of Cambridge, advises moderation for both younger and older men.

"It is kind of logical that a moderate level of masturbatory activity has to be maintained," she says. "Not too much, and not none at all."

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Getting a bit more on topic. I don't know if I've posted this before but I don't really jack off to porn anymore. This probably isn't going to make sense (the occult rarely does to me) but Archangel Michael gave me an image of a woman I have not seen before. That's the "fetch" I was talking about here http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... ch#p467148 . I dump my sexual energy into her and she seems to be fine with that. I figure if she's my anima then she's like a storage facility for this energy to be released later for a greater good, no wasted as some suggest. There seems to be something going on with future prediction here. It started in 2001 with rats in a lucid dream then I found them in real life along with the location in the dream 12 years later. I seem to have stumbled upon some kind of precognition ability that happened during my awakening in 2011. Like divine guidance, conversation of the holy guardian angel. I think she even helped stop me from suicide.

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akimbomoss,

When certain chemical levels drop like this they will naturally go back to normal. The body has many ways of maintaining it's state of equilibrium. It is soooooo freaken hard to get your body to change it's stable state or equilibrium. With my self work it's taken a year and a half to make changes to my neurotransmitter levels that I did to attain a more naturally maintained cognitively influenced mind. So you can look it up yourself in order to change your chemical levels in your body you have to do something very consistent, for a long period of time, it has to be the right thing because not just anything changes these levels. If anything I'd say you can masturbate twice a day, every day for as long as you'd like and be fine but this all depends on your body and this and that and blah blah blah (a lot of variables). If you studied this a lot I'm sure you'd agree that describing it this way is accurate (the blah blah blah part).
So you mean to tell me that you have a large collection of ritual equipment? Well I have my mind, just as good and I bought it at a discount price

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akimbomoss wrote:
manonthepath wrote: Taoist alchemists employ a wide array of techs to harness this energy and channel it into other areas of the body with outstanding results.
What about the science about an increased risk of prostate cancer by not masturbating? Should we ignore it in favor of Taoist "tech"?
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