Azazel-- The devil? A Demon? An Angel? Help please

[Chaos Creator]

I just posted a book with the whole story shoulda saved cause it didn't go through. long story short after a satanic ritual (first one ever) I spun my pendulum over my mat to ask if Satan was pleased. He was, then i felt like he was gone and the pendulum started rocking at "rephrase". I said say what thou whist. It spelled out "exorcism" so right off the bat i try to dig into what im talking to, it says its not Satan, nor a demon, but an angel. I asked if it could prove it, and it told me anoint a cross with my abba (holy oil) and dedicated Christ to it and place it on the mat. So I do thinking "alright what demon requests this?' Then it wanted me to destroy my satanic circle. I asked for its name and it told me "Patrick" which is my name. I asked 'was the devil here?' it says yes, and i dig deeper and this thing says Satan left because it came. I asked if he was god or something or an arch angel. It tells me "no", so I asked "why did one of the most powerful demons flee you then exactly?" and he answers "Satan fears **you**" (confused as fuck at this point I asked this); "So if Satan fears me, why did he flee when you came?" this thing told me: "I am you" When i asked how it gave me an answer that was very specific but didn't quite answer my question... (but its next 8 words blew my mind) "Qabalah states ten kinds of angle you're one" I didn't know that shit, I looked it up on wiki and it was dead on, I asked by number what rank I was and it told me two, 10 (Ishim the human like angels lowest rank) And 9 cant remember what they were called but Azazel is among them, and he is also in charge of all the Ishim according to the wiki making him part of both ranks. When I asked "Whats my true name then?" It answered "AZAZEL." I think this is a very bad thing, there is nothing good about Azazel anywhere I read.... but it told me that Im not a fallen angel and the book of Enoch is false. I might not think much of it if I havnt had so many with the sight tell me about my wings in my aura, and once even a medium told me im something called an earth angel. idk what to think, i asked why it came, and it said to "keep me on the path." I had to ask "If Im an angel why am I here on earth as a human?" it said three simple words "Love Teach, Heal." this was interesting cause this past life regresser ive seen told me ive been a teacher and healer in most my lives long before christ was born. Last thing I asked was if this was my higher self, and it didn't understand at first, when i explained; it said yes.

PLEASE POST YOUR OPINIONS IDK WTF TO THINK BUT THIS WAS A SICK ASS TURNING 4 ME. FYI I had my arm completely limp on my athem as i spun, and i closed my eyes for some of the words and tey always spelled out real words, so dont try that sub conscious bull shit, i make sure im talking to real entities.

[Chaos Creator]

any theories guys? demons? angels? satan testing me? idk wtf to make outa this mess

[Nahemah]

Hmm,I tend towards thinking that perhaps Azazel was one of the Y haplogroup Adams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeogen ... _Near_East

This would mean there's a little Azazel in most of us,lol.But seriously. [geek2] [greensmile]

[Chaos Creator]

Thats interesting, the higher self thing is what got me, but can you really trust what ever you divine? The only reason i thought i could was the cross, and breaking the circle. At one point I asked it to touch me anf there was a very warm tingle, it felt comforting.

[Chaos Creator]

So many mixed views from different culture I'm interested to know, for the longest time seers of aura just randomly told me I have splendid wings in my aura, and radiant energy, Once a very good psychic told me I was an earth angel, (when i looked that up every single symptom of that applies in my life) Even my 4 year old cousin out of the blue told me, "you're an angel" and I was like "Oh yeah whys that?" and she said "your back and head". Never really cared if I was or wasn't a celestial being incarnated here, till last night....

Last night I did my first satanic ritual and when I used my pendulum over the mat Satan told me he was pleased than it started acting funny and the whole vibe of the room changed like he was gone. Then something claiming to be an angel was speaking to me through my pendulum, I believe it was an angle, it had be destroy the satanic circle and anoint a cross with some holy oil i have and place it on the mat. It told me to do this so I could trust it. It claimed to be me, which was odd and when i asked how that's possible it told me something very profound: "Qabalah states ten kinds of angel you're one" (I didn't know this prior and upon looking it up it was very true. It told me I was Ishim, as well as a rank above Ishim.... How can that be? Azazel is the leader of the Ishim so hes considered among there ranks but he is also a rank above. I asked it what my real name is, It told me Azazel.......

Opinions??? Now I care that I might be this Earth angel, too much point to it, but to be the earthly incarnation of Azazel doesn't sound good from what I have read about this guy.

[Nahemah]

I've merged ywo of your threads because they are basically the same and it could get rather messy responding to this over multiple threads.

Please don't make any more threads on this subject,at least for now.

I've left this in Satanism because the OP resonates somewhat with Luciferian ideas.

[Nahemah]

Azazel.Strength of God.Giver of the sacred fire,teacher of the arts of metallurgy and blacksmithing.

There are parallels with Prometheus and Loki within his story and the Elohim,of which Azazel is said to be,were originally known as the sons of El and Asherah,prior to their inclusion [and splitting up,between angelising and demonisation] in early Judaic literature.

Hows that for starters?

I did have a link to an interesting web page on him,but unfortunately,it's gone 404 on me.Boo.

The below is from a gaming site,but it distills similar information,so I posted it,as I'm currently fishing through info online to sort what's decent in relation to what I said above.
My,there seems to be a mad rush out there,to reclaim and rectify the good name of the Az man.Every body seems to want him for their sunbeam these days,lol. [oh]


http://kickuass.com/page.php?3

From here:

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... =7&t=34059

I'm reposting this because it's relevant here too.

[Chaos Creator]

Aye that's true, I was hopeing an azazel worshiper might shed some light

[Jack-o-diamonds]

So many mixed views from different culture I'm interested to know, for the longest time seers of aura just randomly told me I have splendid wings in my aura, and radiant energy, Once a very good psychic told me I was an earth angel, (when i looked that up every single symptom of that applies in my life) Even my 4 year old cousin out of the blue told me, "you're an angel" and I was like "Oh yeah whys that?" and she said "your back and head". Never really cared if I was or wasn't a celestial being incarnated here, till last night....

Last night I did my first satanic ritual and when I used my pendulum over the mat Satan told me he was pleased than it started acting funny and the whole vibe of the room changed like he was gone. Then something claiming to be an angel was speaking to me through my pendulum, I believe it was an angle, it had be destroy the satanic circle and anoint a cross with some holy oil i have and place it on the mat. It told me to do this so I could trust it. It claimed to be me, which was odd and when i asked how that's possible it told me something very profound: "Qabalah states ten kinds of angel you're one" (I didn't know this prior and upon looking it up it was very true. It told me I was Ishim, as well as a rank above Ishim.... How can that be? Azazel is the leader of the Ishim so hes considered among there ranks but he is also a rank above. I asked it what my real name is, It told me Azazel.......

Opinions??? Now I care that I might be this Earth angel, too much point to it, but to be the earthly incarnation of Azazel doesn't sound good from what I have read about this guy.

post a pic in the pic thread, maybe someone can see something.

also, are you worried about it? what is the overall feeling of possibly being an angel? do you think that we are now missing an angel in the cosmos cuz it is here on earth? or is this just an earth body? i always found it to be unlikely that people can be angels, but i am not so closed minded as to say it is impossible.

these questions aren't meant to be in a rude tone, i am genuinely curious. i could probably ask you a million questions.

[hobotubbie]

Well i answered you in the other thread about the good things before i saw this.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, and with this i don't wanna say you aren't legit because i couldn't know but, there are zillions of Azazel's Samael's Lucifer's Jesus christ superstar etc etc out there. Just saying this with all the respect and i feel that you are serious about what you are talking but that is an old story all together.

Anyways.. maybe you try to do an evocation to try to find more info about it?

PS : post a pic on the off topic thread "How do you people look like" please. I always wanted to know how a fallen angel really looks like. No joke.

[Chaos Creator]

Well the entity said i exist on earth and in heaven, so i dont suppose they are missing an angel. I've heard you cant see aura through photo accurately most the time.

[Occultess]

Stukov, had some things to say about Azazel in this thread:

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... v&start=50

You might want to start out about half-way down page 3 and go from there, due to a fight. Anyways, Stukov has a more positive perspective on Azazel.

As for you being an Earth Angel....? Yeah, I think it's possible. I've known some. What seemed to be an almost uncanny amount of them at times. As for you BEING Azazel?......No idea. It's possible. I suppose you could even be also named Azazel.... Or it's also possible that the angel you were speaking to re-answered an earlier question. Or it was some kind of miscommunication. It's hard to say.

[Nahemah]

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 19&t=34052

You might find Luciferian ideas useful and there are a couple of decent links in the thread above.

[Chaos Creator]

posting.that pic in.off topic

[LandOfShadows]

Hi,

People/cultures express different ideas and notions of this energy.

See my post here: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 46&t=33696 and the opening of the Gate area.

This is the image description of the energy your speaking of and how I picture or feel the energy to be in the XOXYLO system.


LoS
Steve

[cactusjack543]

i may just have 10 angels ruling my free lance matrix on my mat.

id love to tell you my theory but my post get erased gl

[Jack-o-diamonds]

Hi,

People/cultures express different ideas and notions of this energy.

See my post here: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 46&t=33696 and the opening of the Gate area.

This is the image description of the energy your speaking of and how I picture or feel the energy to be in the XOXYLO system.


LoS
Steve

i didn't realize Azrael/Izrael were the same as Azazel.

[Nahemah]

i didn't realize Azrael/Izrael were the same as Azazel.

This is news to me too. [question]

[hobotubbie]

They are definitly not the same according to every information out there, the names have completely different meanings and the works of both are completely different aswell.


Anyways, what do i know in the end so.

I might regret it later but i would really like to see your post too cactusjack .. does it involve clones and drones?

[cactusjack543]

it involves a dream i had or vival delusion lol the ulluminati traveled into mankinds future by fourlor and fourlord to disconnect they predicted as probabbly many did dec 21 the days the matrix was inslaved and ulluminati traded in the matrix got angry in those days and created in existence animals to be aware idols appeared god and the holy spirit fled existence vatican braught back honor to the ulluminati


prob for 1,000 of years mankinds powers that be made the way straight so as the matrix today has been a success

another theory connects

500 years ago china bowed straight threw the vatican into the alantic nearest ocean the world was flat and no america promising material things and animals to aware one day a year ago we bowed west into the alantic into china promising the same things and last man standing

so gov little blame sais i have collected over the years enough matrixes to have a free lance matrix soon on my mat for war efforts

[Serenitydawn]

Azazel isn't necessarily a bad entity, depends on what you read...the Church of Satan and Temple of Set have a document called "The Diabolicon." It's supposedly a document given to Michael Aquino from Satan in his days in the CoS. If you'd like to read it, there is a copy online: http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.posterous ... 2ZhHjnc%3D [grin] I found another one: http://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com ... olicon.pdf [thumbup]

[hobotubbie]

that link seems broken serenity

[Serenitydawn]

that link seems broken serenity

That's weird, I can click on it and get the page. I'll try redoing it and see if that helps. [wink]

[LandOfShadows]

Hi All,

If they are different Angelic energies then I haven't come across Azazel... Does Azazel go by any other name ?

I thought although spelt differently they may sound the same in pronouciation.

Just searched and found info on Azazel, perhaps I should have prior to posting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel

I haven't come across such an energy, and reading of this Angel/Deamon I am not sure I would want to, but learning of the Weapons and Cosmetics of the Gods is interesting.

LoS
Steve

[ExCineribus]

Azazel is a Hebrew word that has its origins in antiquity. While the term most commonly refers to the idea of the leader of the fallen angels in popular culture (as purported by the non-canonical book of Enoch), this is only partly the truth. There are several potential hints towards identifying Azazel. On more than one occasion a goat was offered as an atonement for sins, as is the case for Isaac in scripture. It is not likely that God actually intended Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, but rather the story about the ram in the thicket as a substitute for the sacrifice was intended to teach a lesson.

The word for scapegoat in Hebrew is literally the goat [ez] that was sent away [azal], and on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) there was a ritual of two goats: http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_c ... pegoat.htm

A ram, as you probably know, is a male sheep. This is not the same as a goat, but here there is an underlying esoteric teaching - that a sheep or a goat is interchangeable for the sacrifice (a dualistic nature, in Exodus 12:5). Though both are kosher, the goat is commonly seen a symbol of sin (i.e. "to him ascribe all sin"), while the sheep is seen as a symbol of purity. (http://theikga.org/goat_symbolism.html) Christ is portrayed as the scapegoat, bearing the sins of the world - he is Azazel - and yet Christ is also blameless (a pure sheep). In this way Christ is the final sacrifice (the last 'sin eater') he takes away the sin of the world, and echoes what was uttered by the wise serpent - "you shall not surely die" (notice the stipulation that there yet exists a possibility, "not surely", which either means that the wise serpent does not believe in what God said (not likely - since that would not be wise, then), or it is a hint at something more - a condition or caveat that was not there stated) - if we believe on Him (here we have that condition "For God so loved the world [every person], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in [depends on, trusts, obeys] Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16). It is only Christ who can be ascribed all sin, he is the scapegoat, the blameless sheep free from sin. Truly, He is the bright and morning star! The Way, the Truth and the Light... and through grace He lives IN US (for the body is the temple of the Lord: http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/6-19.htm).

Till time in his death-struggle groans, until the fulfillment of that enduring promise, let him live!