Spirituality based on Chaos, is it considered Lefthand Path?

[arpee]

Here is the spirituality (spiritual path). Chaos is eternal and infinite, the great emptiness (or darkness). It knows nothing, but from it, everything came. Chaos is confusion, emptiness, un-knowing-ness, the observer that is watching The Light (it's creation).

To embrace Chaos is to realize that Light is an illusion - an experience - a show for Chaos and nothing can be known. There is only experiences.

Chaos is possibility rather than certainty. From Chaos (or potential) Form (or order) is possible, but nothing is eternal except for Chaos and any orders established will have to be maintained otherwise they will be re-absorbed by Chaos.

That which rises in motion from stillness, will return to stillness.

That which is lit-up, will one day return to be darkened.

That which is heated-up, will one day return to its coldness.

That which is controlled through order, will one day return to freedom.


I am not sure if I should call this Chaosism (Chaosist), Fatuism (Fatuist), or Moronism (Moron - Moronic philosophy).

This is about embracing ignorance (the fact that we do not know) in order to understand that all is just possibility without certainty arising from Chaos.

[SolarFlea]

Just as you stated that light is an illusion, I would venture to say the distinction between a right and left handed path is also an illusion. Positives and negatives, truths and falsehoods, are part of of the biggest illusion of all, order. The whole idea of wrong and right, good and bad are merely concepts, foisted upon us by those who want to impose their illusion of order on us, much like the Police Officer who goes 80 mph, to apprehend a man going 45 in a 35 zone. We know there are no real truths, just a lot of states of maybe as R.A. Wilson liked to say. You drew a very good parallel between Chaos and the Tao, very poetic if you don't mind me saying so.
As far as those people who cling to the illusion of right and wrong are concerned, we are about as left hand as you can get. But it is why we are not crippled by those self imposed limitations.
I really like the term Chaoism. Moronism not so much. The term Moron was originally coined to describe the average intelligence level, right down the center of the bell curve. It was not until years later that it became synonymous with idiot, or imbecile in the common vernacular. Regardless, I like the way you think.

[ChristopherNight]

The distinction I draw between left and right hand paths is thus:
The left hand practitioner seeks individuality and uniqueness, the freedom to follow his own decisions and the burden that comes with it. On the other hand (no pun intended), the right hand path practitioner seeks to become one with the greater powers he perceives in the universe. He seeks to make himself as a child, so that he can absolve responsibility for his life and revel in the powers of the higher parent figure he acknowledges as his master. Both have their benefits and drawbacks, as in most cases it comes down to the kind of life you want to lead.

As for chaos? Well it really comes down not simply to the description of the nature of chaos itself, but to how it is regarded and followed.

The left hand practitioner may see the cruel, uncaring nature of chaos as an allegory for the nature of reality, and it may inspire him to shoulder his own responsibilities (as in a chaotic world, who can you trust but yourself), it may also inspire him to respect supposed tragedies like disaster and death, not as acts of a vengeful power, but simply as happenstance which can provide as much good as ill (owing to their spontaneous nature).
The right hand path practitioner may feel they pale in comparison to the fabric of chaos, and seek to make themselves a part of it, that they may learn of it, act in accordance with it, or simply "be on the right side". To be honest I can't see much hope for the right hand follower of chaos, when the power you submit yourself to is completely random, you're no much the better for having submitted.

As an aside, this spirituality of chaos seems more like chaos-gnosticism, the belief that chaos itself is a force to be revered. In my opinion it differs from the practice of chaos magic, which places a heavy emphasis on individuality, the interchangeability of magical systems, and the disadvantages of following any one system.

[SolarFlea]

The distinction I draw between left and right hand paths is thus:
The left hand practitioner seeks individuality and uniqueness, the freedom to follow his own decisions and the burden that comes with it. On the other hand (no pun intended), the right hand path practitioner seeks to become one with the greater powers he perceives in the universe. He seeks to make himself as a child, so that he can absolve responsibility for his life and revel in the powers of the higher parent figure he acknowledges as his master. Both have their benefits and drawbacks, as in most cases it comes down to the kind of life you want to lead.

As for chaos? Well it really comes down not simply to the description of the nature of chaos itself, but to how it is regarded and followed.

The left hand practitioner may see the cruel, uncaring nature of chaos as an allegory for the nature of reality, and it may inspire him to shoulder his own responsibilities (as in a chaotic world, who can you trust but yourself), it may also inspire him to respect supposed tragedies like disaster and death, not as acts of a vengeful power, but simply as happenstance which can provide as much good as ill (owing to their spontaneous nature).
The right hand path practitioner may feel they pale in comparison to the fabric of chaos, and seek to make themselves a part of it, that they may learn of it, act in accordance with it, or simply "be on the right side". To be honest I can't see much hope for the right hand follower of chaos, when the power you submit yourself to is completely random, you're no much the better for having submitted.

As an aside, this spirituality of chaos seems more like chaos-gnosticism, the belief that chaos itself is a force to be revered. In my opinion it differs from the practice of chaos magic, which places a heavy emphasis on individuality, the interchangeability of magical systems, and the disadvantages of following any one system.

I really appreciate your perspective on that, and I have to agree.I definitely relate to the Left Hand Path myself. Looking to higher being, or trying to find a scapegoat for my own responsibilities hold no interest for me.

[Rin]

n the other hand (no pun intended), the right hand path practitioner seeks to become one with the greater powers he perceives in the universe. He seeks to make himself as a child, so that he can absolve responsibility for his life and revel in the powers of the higher parent figure he acknowledges as his master.

Lol. That's hardly an unbiased and objective description there.

Imo the difference between the two is more or less semantic. Despite what various people on both sides of the divide would have us believe, I don't, in reality, see a whole ton of actual, practical difference between the goals and methods of LHP or RHP practitioners. It just seems to be a different flavor, a question of whether you prefer your magic and spirituality wrapped in dark and spooky or bright and pretty paper.

[entropic]

n the other hand (no pun intended), the right hand path practitioner seeks to become one with the greater powers he perceives in the universe. He seeks to make himself as a child, so that he can absolve responsibility for his life and revel in the powers of the higher parent figure he acknowledges as his master.

Lol. That's hardly an unbiased and objective description there.

Imo the difference between the two is more or less semantic. Despite what various people on both sides of the divide would have us believe, I don't, in reality, see a whole ton of actual, practical difference between the goals and methods of LHP or RHP practitioners. It just seems to be a different flavor, a question of whether you prefer your magic and spirituality wrapped in dark and spooky or bright and pretty paper.

I'm not sure, if the difference was semantic only I couldn't use 'who starts yowling when I talk about practical uses of magick' to decide pretty accurately who are RHP and not.

[ChristopherNight]

I'll admit my perspective skews in favour of a Left Hand approach, this perspective is central to my personal philosophy.

In my opinion, the difference between a Left or Right hand philosophy is not simply semantic, different paradigms may be semantic but most all of them which I've encountered can be boiled down to either Left or Right hand axioms. This is not to say that a spiritual path can only be followed in one way, simply that many of them suggest a particular persuasion.

As with all philosophies, they are what you make of them. An understanding of the different paths will help anyone seeking clarity and structure though. For example, by understanding the philosophy of a path (let's say the right hand path of seeking harmony with the universe and following the rules of higher powers, with or without personifications) can help us to decide which actions in our everyday lives best suit our spiritual identity (to stay on example, the right hand goal of harmonisation leads a follower to keep their ego in check in situations which their intellectual instructions do not cover) this is the ultimate strength to gain by choosing a path, instating guidelines for living one's own life.

I'd say the examples of different approaches to chaos which I stated were not particularly biased, and an alright starting point. As in all esoteric study, the results are what you make them. Good luck!

[Jack-o-diamonds]

i say chaotic spirituality is more 'no-hand path', but apparently it depends on who you ask.

and christopher, your description of LHP and RHP was RIDICULOUSLY biased.

[arpee]

i say chaotic spirituality is more 'no-hand path', but apparently it depends on who you ask.

and christopher, your description of LHP and RHP was RIDICULOUSLY biased.

I agree...

ChristopherNight said, in summary, that the right-hand path seeks harmony with the universe and follows the rules of higher powers (with or without personifications). This is good because it can help us to decide our everyday actions which is best suited for spiritual identity and helps keep the ego in check.

If this is true, then Chaoism is a RIGHT hand path as it says Chaos is the ultimate which ALL comes from. So by seeking "it" you are seeking the way of the higher power. Also, by embracing Chaos you are not following ego as ego stems from identification of form (physicality - whether the body or possessions) and status (how you are seen).

In my view, the right-hand path is the path of accepting reality as it is while believing in a higher power taking care of it all (which ironically, most members of right-hand path religions do NOT follow fully)...

and the left-hand path seems to be about individual action to change reality for the better of self or all. The left hand will deal with magic to change things as the trust is in one-self rather than a believed in higher being.

With the right-hand path, magic is not used as the higher power(s) is taking care of it all so you just trust the higher power instead of yourself...

[Commander Chaos]

When I think of left hand or right hand path chaos can go either way, for me chaos magic is the jazz hands path :^D