Kundalini Rising - dealing with it

[satanicteen]

Hey everyone. I started to notice the heat/tingly/electrical/orgasmic feelings associated with the Kundalini rising, and whenever I meditate, I see serpeants.... (Yesssss, finally! [yay] )
Anyhow, I feel a great deal of bliss sometimes, but for the last three days I've also felt very, very depressed. I looked online and apparently that happens during the rising. For those whose serpeants have risen, what was this like for you, and if it made you depressed, how long did that last and how did you get through it? It's pretty severe and while I don't want to rush this, I really want it to be over soon.

I'll include this: I had clinical depression, but through meditation I feel that I've overcome the little bastard. The Gods I work with seem to have been assessing my emotional strength quite a bit, seeing as I'm a VERY dedicated spiritual satanist whose family is enduring a pretty severe crisis right now. I've been pretty damned strong up until this Kundalini rising. I feel that the Gods want me to "prove myself" to them. When I first got into the occult, I was a weakling...but just the other day, a voice said "I can't believe we doubted him." I felt so proud that day, but now I just feel like crap and like I'm nothing. How difficult is the rising in most cases?

Also, is the following some sort of known initiation ritual? At one point when I could really feel the serpeant's power, a divine friend told me to think about my life's most joyful memories, then my life's saddest memories, and then told me to decide for myself what, exactly, I wanted my life to be like in this world. It seems like this would be part of a known ritual, but I'm not sure.

[Commander_Chaos]

Pace yourself and don't give into temptation. I remember when I saw the serpents. That next year was one tough motherfucker. Also what are you working with satanism for? Those satanic gods are knuckleheads, oh well. To each their own.

[Jack-o-diamonds]

Also what are you working with satanism for? Those satanic gods are knuckleheads, oh well. To each their own.

i'm not a mod, but no insulting other people's gods please, it's unproductive and unnecessary .

[Nahemah]

Yes.It is unproductive,other than as troll pit filler.

We don't encourage flaming and this is a good way to start fights.

It gets boring,real fast.So do try and refrain in future please,unless the aside is relevant to the topic contextually,that is.

it's just a way of pushing buttons and causing irritation,otherwise.

[Nahemah]

Keep up with breathing exercises and utilise calming techniques when you feel down or overwhelmed.

Soothing baths [herbs/oils and plant extracts]and generally grounding yourself in this World are said to help also.Step back and relax.

Maybe it's a good time to learn about how to begin to channel and move this energy?

Slow and cautious is the way forward,at this stage.

What,if any types of yoga do you practise?

Exercise should be gentle but regular,routine is good,because it helps you focus but in a grounded way.

It's part of being human to experience the lows as well as the highs and this is just a stage of intensity,which you will learn to ride,hold and control if you take your time and always remember too,it is just a stage. [thumbup]

[Commander_Chaos]

Oh come on man, don't get your satanic panties in a bunch.

[Nahemah]

Oh come on man, don't get your satanic panties in a bunch.

Oh,you're so witty and original.

I won't if you don't.Simple.

Do you have anything else useful or informative to contribute about kundalini?

[Jack-o-diamonds]

i just looked up this whole business, since i never heard of kundalini before...

it is really interesting, and i read the warning signs of accidentally "awakening" which oddly fit a lot of things that have been happening to me lately... weird electric currents and tingly limbs, one time it was happening i just laid there and paid attention to it, it was like i was tripping and everything people were saying to me were like echoes as this crazy electrical feeling just went up and down and my head was overheating. "oversleeping" was one sign i read and i've been sleeping for 14 hours a night D: but can you really accidentally awaken if you never even heard of it before? now there's a question.

[Rin]

i just looked up this whole business, since i never heard of kundalini before...

it is really interesting, and i read the warning signs of accidentally "awakening" which oddly fit a lot of things that have been happening to me lately... weird electric currents and tingly limbs, one time it was happening i just laid there and paid attention to it, it was like i was tripping and everything people were saying to me were like echoes as this crazy electrical feeling just went up and down and my head was overheating. "oversleeping" was one sign i read and i've been sleeping for 14 hours a night D: but can you really accidentally awaken if you never even heard of it before? now there's a question.

my impression is that it requires at least some level of conscious effort through specific meditations. So while you could "accidentally" awaken it, in the sense that you end up finding these meditations and doing them without understanding the end goal, or you go too far without the proper preparation, I don't think it could just randomly happen with absolutely no knowledge or intention, at least not in that particular manner and context. I could be wrong though.

The other way to look at it would be less as a spiritual anatomy and more as a metaphysical framework for the spiritual growth which one undergoes , meaning that maybe there aren't literally 7 energy centres located in exact positions in the etheric body, which activate energy to flow up your spine, but that this is just a context through which you could understand the process of spiritual growth, with the experience being shaped by your subconscious expectations. If you compare it to, say, the Kabbalah (although I'm admittedly not an expert in either), they both seem the be very similar things, a pathway of spiritual development which passes through along various phases of growth with the goal of uniting the individual with the divine, and it's possible that similar parallels exist within other traditions.

So when you meditate with the goal of opening a specific chakra, are you literally opening an energy vortex which allows the desired energies and traits to flow into your subtle being, or is that just one interpretation of a process of integrating those traits into your psycho-spiritual being? Think of it as buildings, side by side, one with 10 floors called Sephiroth, and another with 7 floors called Chakras, etc etc, but in the end you undergo the same basic journey as you increase in altitude and move from the surface further until you reach the roof, just through different floors with different decor, but the same basic function. Someone using a hindu system might the experience of the ascension of the Kundalini to the Sahasrara, another might find themselves crossing the abyss and reaching Kether (or however Kabbalah works, again, no expert).

That said, novice that I am, I have had some particularly intense experiences while performing such meditations which make me wonder whether they don't lean as much or more towards the literal side of the spectrum, but such experiences have been sporadic.

It would be interesting to do a study on this. If someone meditated with the goal of opening a specific chakra, without any knowledge at all of the intent of the meditation and the results of the opening of aforementioned chakra, would the process still work? Or is the chakra just a sigil of sorts, a conscious symbol of a subconscious process?

Interestingly, Bardon makes a brief reference to this in IIH when he mentions that the work in his Steps is equivalent to the process of opening various Chakras (I don't remember the specifics), but he doesn't actually provide any work that operates within that framework, which leans towards the metaphorical side of things.

A question with no easy answer I guess, but stuff like this is why I hate the stigma surrounding scientific exploration into the spiritual. There's so much we could know if science and spirituality could find a common point of contact, but sadly we never reached the melding of scientific inquiry with religious subject matter that Crowley believed would be achieved by now.

[Jack-o-diamonds]

yeah, i kinda figured it was unlikely that something like that could happen without myself knowingly being in that paradigm, let alone never even hearing of it before. it was probs a result of my Liber MMM training coming to a close and my brain going wack w/ gnosis. the oversleeping is probably because i am a lazy bastard.

[Nahemah]

but can you really accidentally awaken if you never even heard of it before? now there's a question.

There is a question,indeed.An excellent one.

Yes,I believe you can.

Whatever name we give to life force energy,whether kundalin or chi or serpent or holy spirit within or any of the many others I can't think of atm [ [blush] ] we all have the ability to move this energy buried within us somewhere and certain activities of the mind ,spirit and body can cause spontaneous awakening/awareness,no matter what belief set we start with.

While it might be easy to awaken,it is much more difficult to understand and control and that is why so many people get into trouble with it.Yoga can cause awakening,it should do,actually,it's supposed to,but it is a discipline that stretches across body,mind and spirit and so many people accentuate the physical and forget about the rest,after all,it's quite the big money busines,in the West,these days,leading to problems when awakening occurs.


Short form quick answer,for now.

I think we had other topics posted with some decent information regarding kundalini,a while ago.I'll go see if I have any link/resource info I can post that might be more cohesive than my attempt above.[Still sniffly and head clogged here.Winter colds suck.]

Cross posted there.Sorry, I disagree a little with you Rin.

I think it can happen without foreknowledge,I've seen it too many times in individuals with no former awareness of anything Hindu related whatsoever to think otherwise.

[Rin]

Cross posted there.Sorry, I disagree a little with you Rin.

I'm not sure you do :p Although it's late and I just took my sleeping pills, so it's possible I'm misreading your post.

I wasn't necessarily arguing against whether spiritual development in general can happen spontaneously/unintentionally (for lack of a better word), just that if it did happen, the nature of the experience would be shaped by the individuals cultural understanding, which provides a framework for the experience. So if someone had been taught the Hindu system with chakras and kundalini and what not, they'd experience it as the typical kundalini awakening, opening chakras, fire ascending up the spine, etc. Whereas, say, a Christian saint might experience it as being struck by the holy spirit and experience the holy spirit moving through him, a Taoist would experience it as the shift of certain levels of yin and yang energies through his meridians and into his Dantien, a Qabbalist might experience it as ascending up the tree of life, and so forth for various cosmologies (don't mind the extent to which I horribly mangled my description of the various manners in which traditions understand this process, I'm no expert in most of them, just illustrating a point using what knowledge I do possess).

So the individuals subconscious understanding of the universe and the forces involved shapes the process. In the same way that one person practicing Hellenic paganism can invoke the forces of female sexuality and experience an interaction with Venus or Aphrodite garbed in traditional classical raiments, but someone who, hypothetically, had absolutely zero contact with classical mythology or culture, wouldn't have the same experience, even if they correctly invoked the same forces, but they might, if they were operating within the paradigm of Asatru, experience Frigg dressed in amber and gold and dark age norse garb. And so on and so forth. The same basic forces at work, but experienced through the individual's experience and expectations.

An interesting question is how much of the experience is subjective, based on the individual's expectations and background and so forth, and how much is inherent? EG: The Kundalini experience, and equivalents, tend to share various features, things like intense physical symptoms, especially feelings of heat and electricity and so forth and the unity of male/active and female/passive forces, 'ascension' though some sort of spiritual pathwork, etc. Either implicitely or implied.

[Jack-o-diamonds]

I think it can happen without foreknowledge,I've seen it too many times in individuals with no former awareness of anything Hindu related whatsoever to think otherwise.

Cross posted there.Sorry, I disagree a little with you Rin.

I'm not sure you do :p

but someone who, hypothetically, had absolutely zero contact with classical mythology or culture, wouldn't have the same experience, even if they correctly invoked the same forces, but they might, if they were operating within the paradigm of Asatru, experience Frigg dressed in amber and gold and dark age norse garb. And so on and so forth. The same basic forces at work, but experienced through the individual's experience and expectations.

i see a disagreement.

[Nahemah]

We do agree in a broader sense and I absolutely concur on the subjectivity of the experience. [grin]

I've seen spontaneous rising in individuals with no apparent prior interest in spirituality.

This has mostly been drug related.Not excusively so,but enough to warrant including it here.

Psychedelics can cause a huge surge.It can be terrifying for the newly awakened once the high wears off.

This often gets confused with 'classic ' mental breakdown type psychosis and there is a whole seperate,but linked,argument and controversy surrounding this subject.

It's interesting to learn,as I recently did,that mental health specialists are at last beginning to consider the implications of spiritual awakening as a factor in mental health and diagnosis,it's early days yet,but it seems like a little progress,at last.
Too many people are being labelled as ill,when they are not and a spiritual crisis is not an illness,it's a cognitive change that can be very troublesome to navigate,certainly,but it's not an illness.

[Rin]

i see a disagreement.

But the question is, when those individuals underwent the awakening process, did it have the typical trappings of the Kundalini experience? 7 colored chakras and 3 blocks and 3 channels and the ascension of divine fire through the spine and so forth? Are they an inherent part of the experience, or just a subconscious framework informed by the psychological and cultural context?

If they are inherent, then that has a lot of interesting implications. It means, for example, that either one system is the 'true' path to spiritual enlightenment, and the others are false, or that there are multiple, completely separate paths which somehow lead to different places, different 'forms' of enlightenment. And while I don't think an idea should be rejected because you don't like it, that doesn't ring particularly true to me.

It seems to me that what needs to happen is a comparison of the experience in various cultural contexts, to pick out where they're similar and where they vary, and then use that knowledge to determine which parts of the experience are inherent to it and which parts are just part of the psycho-social framework.

We do agree in a broader sense and I absolutely concur on the subjectivity of the experience. [grin]

I've seen spontaneous rising in individuals with no apparent prior interest in spirituality.

This has mostly been drug related.Not excusively so,but enough to warrant including it here.

Psychedelics can cause a huge surge.It can be terrifying for the newly awakened once the high wears off.

This often gets confused with 'classic ' mental breakdown type psychosis and there is a whole seperate,but linked,argument and controversy surrounding this subject.

It's interesting to learn,as I recently did,that mental health specialists are at last beginning to consider the implications of spiritual awakening as a factor in mental health and diagnosis,it's early days yet,but it seems like a little progress,at last.
Too many people are being labelled as ill,when they are not and a spiritual crisis is not an illness,it's a cognitive change that can be very troublesome to navigate,certainly,but it's not an illness.

It's nice to hear that mental health is becoming more open to accepting varied viewpoints on and dimensions of mental illness. I've felt for a while that a lot of mental illness is as much spiritual as it is neuro-psychological, but such concepts are essentially verboten in our modern, materialistic culture. I think a lot more could be done for people struggling if they received a more complete examination of the mind/body/spirit interactions, but that's going to be a long time coming, sadly. I've seen similar cases with psychadelic use pushing individuals beyond what they're prepared to accept, and it rarely ends well because they lack the proper framework for it and either dive in headfirst and end up with a mind so open the brain falls out, or repress it until it manifests as what appears to be some kind of psychotic disorder.

[Commander_Chaos]

Here. This guy knows what he's talking about.

Just substitute what he says about god and the christ consciousness with satan or whatever satanic gods you are working with. You would basically be opening your mind up to a bunch of spirits that will only want to use you like a rental car. Go ahead, it's your mind "YOLO". The idea with satanism is that you want to be closed off from all of that so you can control it better and maintain your sanity, unless you want to have a mental illness of some kind which most people on this forum do have, probably from working with things they shouldn't have.

Also, after experiencing something so profound you might go through a short phase where you are depressed and question your beliefs. It can last a week or longer. Just depends on the person.

What I said before was a harmless joke, I didn't mean anything by it. If you want to take it personally then go ahead.

[Cosmic10]

9 years ago I thought I would try to awaken the serpent. My mother had told me a tiny bit about it not enough for me to really do it the right way but I did anyway. I felt my spine shake and vibrate I actually started to shake in a circular motion and it really freaked me out so I stopped. The next 4 years were a living hell to me I went into a horrible deep depression. It was so bad that it was hard for me to see color for a while. Everything was a dull brown. I had no idea that it would have that kind of effect on me. I guess I'm just trying to say that its pretty hard core!

[Nahemah]

@Satanicteen:The below is a bit mixed,but I like it,there's some decent advice here and more ages of related information follow on from it,that you might find helpful too :

http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/ch ... ncing.html

...In meditating on each chakra, you may want to use some of the correspondences listed in these web pages. Alternatively, you may want to choose your own correspondences, or not use any at all. The important thing is to let oneself be guided by what intuitively feels right, rather than slavishly follow what some book or guru or teaching says. This so in all aspects of life and with all psycho-spiritual practices, not just those techniques given here. The intention of this coverage is to encourage and stimulate your own exploration in these matters, not to add one more dogma to a world that is already too full of dogmas as it is.

[Uman]

Kundalini Rising - dealing with it

I'm dealin' with it.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I had a somewhat spontaneous awakening this past June and it played out in a very intense way. Had a couple weeks where I was quite concerned.

The way it went for me was getting the tinglings in my spine, feeling like I had sheets of energy wisping around my kidneys and liver, wrapping around enfolding my heart, and I had a euphoria - a bit like a mild roll of ecstacy/MDMA but it was also a very 'staticky' feeling, just without ashing my fingernails on doorknobs.

Part of what caused it was spending something like 8 or 9 months really diving into the nose-bleed side of new age (ie. some Seth, some Bailey), then having a full scale shock and awe with things I found out about Blavatski, pretty much trying to go fundamentalist Christian for several months which after reading the bible cover to cover only went downhill, all the while I had an imaginary friend that popped into my life last April unsolicited (probably a spirit) teasing me, flirting with me, and trying to drag me back away from the bible.

Lol, you guys will get a laugh out of the rest of this. I then started reading up on Crowley and reading stuff like MP Hall Secret Teachings telling myself I was reading it for 'spiritual warfare purposes', felt like something just struck me head over heels with love and familiarity when I read about Isis or Thoth (which understandably freaked me out a bit) and it capstoned both with finding out about how much Isis and Osiris are popping up around the world these days (Brazilian ayahuasca groups a great example) and then deciding that I wanted to read the Pistis Sophia but not having ever heard of Samael Aun Weor I figured it wouldn't be a problem to read someone's translational notes.

Lol, I didn't learn much about the Pistis Sophia due to how overbearing Samael Aun Weor was but geez.... lets just say a lot happened in two weeks, the confusion hit such a pitch that I gave myself to Isis for a day, did a psychedellic and tantric journey, and had a very enchanted couple of weeks where not only did I experience kundalini awakening to the point where it was quite frightening (ie. I started getting a taste in my mouth where I was half wondering whether it could result in a seizure - was able to dissipate that thankfully) but in that field of about one to two feet outside my body I could 'see' spirits without seeing them if that makes any sense, it's a bit as if the energy itself was a smoke-like sensor that could detect the kinesthetic placement of spiritual beings and I didn't even imaginatively see them but felt their intentionality toward me intensely. On the bright side there was no hostility, most of what I ran into was quite delighted and playful with me in Tinkerbell-ish kind of ways.

What I can attribute the intensity to, aside from a detonator of hallucinogen and tantra but I was also having the same kind of Jungian rip that a lot of people end up having where the information they have in their heads or the collection of the beliefs they have is so contradictory and at such high tension that the veil almost gets ripped wide open on its own. Jung started seeing and speaking to a couple entities after his brake of relationship with Freud, a particular famous Christian watchman who says he talks to Christ regularly had a profound revelation after years of being the extreme frat-boy alcoholic and partier when he turned he decided enough was enough. It seems like any radical turn of velocity in a person's beliefs or directions has the capacity to tare the fabric of self right down the middle as you have two sides going in opposite directions (the subconscious has inertia where as the conscious is trying to drag the whole thing somewhere else). From that rip you end up with an Asian-style tour bus full of entities from the astral and mental realms dropping in to have a look around your inner world and see if it's a vacation spot that they'd come back to. The biggest problem was that I averaged an hour or two of sleep per night during that time, ie. something kept waking me up around 12 or 1 AM and it was fueling a certain euphoria by inducing insomnia. Incredibly dangerous situation from that standpoint.

Before all of this even I had little signs of kundalini movement like feelings in my spine that made me wonder if there was an earthquake (it would feel like something to that effect was transferring through the bench I was sitting on) and it accelerated to the feelings of energy playing in my organs. As of now its back to pre-June adventure levels where I'll still feel a lot things related to it but on much more minor levels and largely in connection with contact via clothing and other already-present sensations that get lifted.

What kind of sucks about that - it was way too much all at one time, it dried to a trickle, and I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what kind of practical use it has aside from giving a person delusions of grandeur. I remembered when the overdoses would hit I employed Steiner-esque imagry and imagined the energy being absorbed to improve my astral, etheric, and causal bodies with respect to their organelle, chakras, etc.. Not sure if that yielded me anything but it seemed like a constructive way to sublimate it.

BTW - a side question and this might sound incredibly naive, IS kundalini the 'first matter' that Hermetic alchemists like Paul Foster Case talk about? If so that would light up a whole tree of connections with respect to what kundalini as a raw material can be put to use for. Regardless of what it is however I'm *not* putting myself back through what I went through earlier this year for it, that and for as much as I used to love the occasional mushrooms or LSD back when I was in my early 20's I think I've lost all desire for it since at this point I don't think I could do it without an episode of 'kundalini spirits gone wild'.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

One other detail, aside from the rumbling feelings in the spine and the energetic and spiritual presences you may also get ringing in one ear or another. That ringing seemed like it was an entity trying to talk to me and if I did, said, or thought things that annoyed it that ringing would get so loud as to make a popping sound and go away. The reason I came to that conclusion as I was taking what seemed like rather autonomous thought streams as external entities and the ringing seemed to correlate with how I dialoged back and forth with those thought streams.

[Asurendra]

Here is another opinion on this subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W33G4xYR154