the black court

[sylas vael]

anybody been to this site "theblackcourt.com"? or are members of the order? i don't even remember how i found it to begin with, but i love the sigil designs as well as the concept behind the whole thing. though the prices are high, especially for talismans made of sculpy.

[Nahemah]

My security blocked the page.

Address:
http://theblackcourt.com/

This website can transmit malicious software or has been involved in online scams or fraud.

Please close this page.

There is a .org site too,but the domain there is for sale.I also found an e bay page for them,with two expensive [but very dodgy looking] grimoires for sale.

There is also a FB page for a German Band,I don't know if that's the same guys?

I think this is very dodgy,in all honesty.

[sylas vael]

I think this is very dodgy,in all honesty.

oh i agree. some of the deity or demon names (i cant remember which) are from video game. i personally think the whole thing was created by some teenagers. my opinion at least. but i do still think its kinda neat. as for your computer blocking the site, im guessing you run on windows? i prefer linux. [grin]

[untoldslaughta]

I assure you our group is completely legitimate as i am one of its members we do not comprise of Teenager Rebelling and our Grimoires and relics are Real as it get and are crafted by respected Magus within my cabal Read on our history a bit and learn of our Blighted lords being served they are not from a Video game or movie these are very powerful and Respected Arch-demons who are in my opinion more trusting and easier to work with than most demons there when you buy the access into our Cabal should we choose to accept you you will receive the following Upon acceptance into the Maergzjiran Cabal, the new Disciple will obtain:

‡ Maergzjiran Disciple's Packet which includes...
· Information regarding the Nine Original Blighted Lords, their Legionnaires and Servitors (the 45 Archdemons), their sigils, dominions, and correspondences;
· Hierarchy and ranking within the Cabal's Towers;
· The Cabal's unholy days and sacred hours of celebration;
· The Tenants of the Maergzjiran Cabal;
· Preparatory rites and rituals;
‡ Personalized membership certificate
‡ Access to the Cabal Sanctuary
‡ Relic offerings available only to Disciples of the Maergzjiran Cabal
also we do not allow children or curious teens into the fray i will post our rules‡ Applicant must be 18 years or older to be admitted. No exceptions.
‡ Petition must be filled out completely and honestly to the fullest extent of your knowledge and ability.
‡ Petition is to be submitted to us through the form below.
‡ Processing fee must be paid in full (see below) at the time of submission.
‡ Postulant is to immediately request to join the Cabal Sanctuary upon submission of your petition. Hopefully this serves to aid you in learning more about us rather than Speaking Ill of our Order.
Dartkest Regards Velum Videntis

[Nahemah]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Charnel-Whisper ... d=ViewItem

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Magick-Gr ... d=ViewItem

For 150 bucks,the information would have to be excellent,given the cheap notebook medium,with what looks to me like a 'The Misfits' logo on the front in matt white ink that reminds me of tippex correction fluid....

The Second item is a better quality notebook [I have a similar one from Asda,it cost me 5 pounds] but in the picture it has open blank pages.Perhaps a shot taken before printing ?

the no returns policy is a bit of a red flag too.

I remain sceptical.Sorry.

[TheSeeker]

I remain sceptical.Sorry.

You're from Glasgow for cryin' out loud!
I thought you folks were genetically sceptical... [grin2]

[sylas vael]

I assure you our group is completely legitimate as i am one of its members we do not comprise of Teenager Rebelling and our Grimoires and relics are Real as it get and are crafted by respected Magus within my cabal Read on our history a bit and learn of our Blighted lords being served they are not from a Video game or movie these are very powerful and Respected Arch-demons who are in my opinion more trusting and easier to work with than most demons there when you buy the access into our Cabal should we choose to accept you you will receive the following Upon acceptance into the Maergzjiran Cabal, the new Disciple will obtain:

‡ Maergzjiran Disciple's Packet which includes...
· Information regarding the Nine Original Blighted Lords, their Legionnaires and Servitors (the 45 Archdemons), their sigils, dominions, and correspondences;
· Hierarchy and ranking within the Cabal's Towers;
· The Cabal's unholy days and sacred hours of celebration;
· The Tenants of the Maergzjiran Cabal;
· Preparatory rites and rituals;
‡ Personalized membership certificate
‡ Access to the Cabal Sanctuary
‡ Relic offerings available only to Disciples of the Maergzjiran Cabal
also we do not allow children or curious teens into the fray i will post our rules‡ Applicant must be 18 years or older to be admitted. No exceptions.
‡ Petition must be filled out completely and honestly to the fullest extent of your knowledge and ability.
‡ Petition is to be submitted to us through the form below.
‡ Processing fee must be paid in full (see below) at the time of submission.
‡ Postulant is to immediately request to join the Cabal Sanctuary upon submission of your petition. Hopefully this serves to aid you in learning more about us rather than Speaking Ill of our Order.
Dartkest Regards Velum Videntis

im sorry, im normally not a dick but all i can do is say... blah, blah, blah. are you trying to recruit? i have read everything on the site actually. & on the ebay page as well. & i highly doubt you are one of the creators of this order, just a follower. so i doubt you know the truth. nonetheless the "relics" are cheap props. i should know cuz i could duplicate every single one of them for under 2 bucks each. how many occult orders make talismans out of polymer clay & sell them for 50 bucks & up? what's the magickal correspondences of sculpy anyway? & do you know the meaning of the word "relic"? & all the hype with the "blighted lords" & the "demi planes" & all the other dark descriptive crap. it reads as rather pretentious. its a sales pitch!

[untoldslaughta]

Hehe you may remain a dick all you like friend no i am not a creator of our site and yes i am just a initiate and no i am not looking to recruit You could attempt feebly to replicate our relics they will not work for you simply by copying the sigils there's far to to sigil magic than that each talisman or relic is handcrafted by one of our ten grand-master magus concerning which talisman is from each tower of Ascent blessed and specific demon evoked in order for the talisman to work and just because you lay your eyes on the sigils and right them down does not mean you will be able to replicate their power skeptical as you may be i just joined to defend my cabal and provide you with information and we switched domain names because we were taken down by religious Skeptical s which is why our old domain name is up for sale and no our available grimoires are not blank i will post the pictures of the ones i possess only the table of contents and Try checking our member who handles that ebay account not one negative feedback on there before you shoot your mouth of Child Powerful Magi all over the world buy our relics believe me when i say i was like you until i actually gave them a chance thinking oh this cant possibly work this must be bullshit but a true Magus must sample all forms of knowledge And not let his feeble minded doubt cloud his vision Doubt is Failure and shall be your undoing if you ever wish to accomplish true sorcery ive been member for a only a year and already i have experienced results from its initiate rituals and spells do you not own any grimoires from E.A koetting or any other occult writer and look at them with the same skeptism if so pal you are on the wrong path it is not for the weak minded and again we are not looking to recruit any weaklings doubting us constantly We kick Apostates out because of their upset with their short comings the demons will no longer work with you i assure you nobody said Magick will be easy but your skeptism is misplaced until you actually try it out so its irrelevant if you wanna take the time to simply Mock us as many have but let me Digress as i haven't the time to prove to you that magick exist because of the level of doubt Deep seated within you Good bye and Darkest regards may you find another path.

[sylas vael]

ummmm... windbag! ... lol now i have to apologize to everyone here (minus that guy). im really sorry for posting about them at all. it was my mistake. but i did get a good laugh. [rofl]

[Yorick]

@sylas vael

I find it immature, irresponsible and unnecessary of you to resort to name-calling and ridicule in your reply to untoldslaughta. While I would not go so far as to say that you should apologize, I believe that you should have at least shown appreciation toward him for his efforts in attempting to educate you.. after all, that is why you created this thread in the first place isn't it? To receive guidance? I am also a recently joined member of the cabal and everything he has said is true.

In regard to the names of the Blighted Lordly Archdemons of Maergzjirah; does it really even matter what names they answer to? Do you believe that any Demon cares what *your* name is? I don't, and neither am I foolish enough to doubt something simply because I may have heard the same, or a similar, name elsewhere. The demons are very real, as well as unique, as is their power. However, as has already been noted, they are friendly and helpful toward those who are receptive to, and respectful, of them. Upon purchasing my first relics from the Black Court, long before I was accepted membership into the Cabal, I began to be visited at random times by certain Archdemons. They approached me, wanting to assist and guide, before I had even attempted to call upon them. If that is not a showing in itself of their benevolence toward allies, then I don't know what is.

Speaking of the talismans available on the website.. they are by far the most powerful and instantly effective dark magickal items I have ever worked with. They are far beyond simple, sculpted relics with sigils adorned. The price that they cost is more than fair, and in certain cases the value of the item could be priced 10x as high, and they would still be worth it.

I have nothing more to say to you.

YORICK

[Rin]

What makes them "dark magical items" as opposed to the regular variety of magical items?

[untoldslaughta]

Greetings brother Yorick you've been MIA for quite some time now:D thanks for coming on and also helping to give him information in the end it matters not what he believes because hes not yet purchased one of our grimoires or relics so its not his place to judge as long as we at least attempted to quite Fallacies and educate them more about us See you at the Sanctuary.
Darkest Regards

[sylas vael]

that is why you created this thread in the first place isn't it? To receive guidance?

no actually, thats not why i joined. sure i ask stupid questions here & there mostly out of boredom & lack of sleep. but when it comes to my practice, im not seeking education. ive been a practicing occultist for over 20 years & i do quite well on my own.

[sylas vael]

forgive the previous post. i was half awake when i read it.... anyway.....

its funny, i originally started this thread because i kinda liked the group & thought their stuff was cool. given that i practice chaos magick, i have no problem with the use of fictional gods & made up cults & such. i was only saying that as an artist & an occultist, i saw their talismans as cheap. hell, i woulda asked if they wanted a few tips on designing better looking ones. but it all went down hill when the sermon began. this is why i don't like cults & organized religions. that whole better than thou attitude.... blah!

[Elazaruss]

I saw the MAERGZJIRAH products on ebay some time ago but only recently made the decision to obtain one of their books. Frankly I do not know for certain whether they are the real deal or a well crafted sales promotion which has little if anything to do with authentic Occult practical system. In any event their sigils and relics strike a cord at least visually and there is a certain feel to them on the exterior level which was enough for me to give them a try. I haven't received my book yet but when I do I will find out for myself what it is about. I see various responses on different forums about those guys, a lot of suspicion is being expressed, but at the end of the day you won't know until you try. One thing which does not sit well with me is the fact that it is presented in a business like fashion - an enterprise for selling relics [wink] , never the less quite a few respectable and known occultists do sell their products and make monetary profit from it in our day, and those people have an established reputation and their works and methods have confirmed results. So I can assume that in our time this sort of thing has become in a sense acceptable or at least some compromise was made. At the end of the day it's up to each individual and their effort to establish how far they shall get with those practices and inner development. One thing I don't agree with though is disrespect toward others - even if you believe that those people are wrong or are a hoax. Especially if you haven't personally tested any of their products, or just heard some rumors from other people who also express their opinions based on some hunch and not from any authentic personal experience. And expressing suspicion is legitimate but ridiculing a person or a group just because what they do does not resonate with your perceptions and expectations is kind of off. You mentioned that you have been practicing the occult for 20 years. Any real occultist will know better then exhibiting this type of behavior, whether on an internet forum or in real life. You don't agree or don't believe? Say that you don't and leave, don't deal with those people any farther. Any disrespect is totally unnecessary. Also people who dedicate their lives to Occult know better then to boast about it or even mention it in forums or to other people they encounter in daily life. Secrecy is one of the prime rules in those practices and any valid and valued occult source states that from its first pages. If you don't understand that, whatever it is you are doing is beside the point. You are only deceiving yourself and will never attain true results in terms of the spiritual ascension which any real occult practice comes to fulfill. This is my humble take on what I've been reading here so far. I am looking forward to receiving the Cabal grimoire and hope that the system they present is as real, applicable and authentic as they describe. In case I am disappointed I shall deal with them no farther. I hope everyone will have a pleasant weekend. Respectfully,

-Elazaruss-

[Frater ALV]

A fool and his money...

[Nahemah]

Oh Elazaruss,lol,you were doing quite well too,until this:

Any real occultist will know better then exhibiting this type of behavior, whether on an internet forum or in real life. You don't agree or don't believe? Say that you don't and leave, don't deal with those people any farther. Any disrespect is totally unnecessary. Also people who dedicate their lives to Occult know better then to boast about it or even mention it in forums or to other people they encounter in daily life. Secrecy is one of the prime rules in those practices and any valid and valued occult source states that from its first pages.

Tsk,tsk @"the No True Scotsman" fallacy.Biglols. [greensmile]

Any real occultist...

...people who dedicate their lives to Occult know better then to...

Secrecy is one of the prime rules...

Troll pit time,methinks?
And not because of the OP, but trather the hilarity of some of the responses,of which I vote Elazaruss the funniest,so far. [rolleyes]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Three of them and so close together,wow. [greensmile]

[sylas vael]

you're right Nahemah, that is funny... i swear he just called me a FAKE!

[Elazaruss]

I am still doing well, glad you all enjoyed the post. By the way, I am not a practicing Occultist, I simply take interest in the subject if such thing is possible.

[Venomortis]

Yorick i have been reading up on the cabal. Although I am skeptic now, the cabal sounds extremely interesting, and i very much would like to get deeper into it. I read the requirements on the web page but i thought before i make any moves, id try to find out more about it. If you're willing and have the time id love to talk to you about this. If you could please contact me over facebook, and ill let you know now, my intentions are not to troll you, there is no joke here, i am very much interested in this.

[sylas vael]

for those not keeping score..... from signup to post.

untoldslaughta - 8 minutes
venomortis - 14 minutes
yorick - 27 minutes

& don't forget to account for post reading time & post writing time. & the fact that this thread is located in a sub forum.

[Elazaruss]

Hey, Venomortis, if you find out anything beyond the information presented on the website can you let me know as well? I am also curious about those guys. I have ordered one of their books. Once I get it and have a look at the content I will post my impression here in the forum.

[Nahemah]

...Once I get it and have a look at the content I will post my impression here in the forum.

No.Please don't.

Any posts you do make about this group or it's 'content' will be redirected here,to the pit and this thread.

Shenanigans have been called.
No more sock puppeteering please.

It gets old fast.All been done before you see.

This thread is being locked for now to illustrate the point.If any of you persist in posting more of this elsewhere.It gets dumped and you'll prolly get bumped.

Thanks for your time and attention.