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Sure, it could be like that...

Plato wrote about Atlantis with special respect for its society, what is quite strange if Athens was in long time war with Atlantis. It could be some kind of utopic vision of perfect society as opposed to Athenian society in that time. He called it Atlantis. It doesn't mean that this society or country or continent really existed, but rather that this was his vision of perfect organization of state. Plato was brilliant philosopher but he was not a historian, so his work has to be viewed like that.

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The subject of Atlantis was one of my favorites as a pre-teen and young adult. I used to write a great deal about it and I have read deeply on the subject.
My conclusion will not be popular. I do not think that Atlantis, certainly as popularly conceived, exited at all. I will explain my reasoning.

Ancient Sources
The main source for the story is Plato. It has already been pointed out on this thread that Plato fabricated myths to illustrate points in his dialogues so I won't dwell on that issue. It is important to note, however, that Plato is the ONLY source for the story of Atlantis. I have never found even another reference to it in Classical literature and have never seen any convincing source in Egyptian writings.

Modern Sources
The wonderful book by Ignatius Donnell has already been mentioned. I do love this work but it is an archetype of what is wrong with modern research into the subject. Donnell lifts symbols out of their cultural context and when they are 'neutralized' he projects onto them an alien Atlantian interpretation which is not supported by their native context. Try as they may, there is no support for Atlantis outside Plato alone.

Edgar Casey
Casey's skill as a medical intuitive was very soundly demonstrated. If I were ill and he told me to cut up a radish and an onion and eat them raw I would trust him. But, I think there is an important point that is often lost regarding psychics: skill in one area is not skill in all. I think 'universal psychics' are very rare and Casey was not one of them. I do not believe his prophecies and statements about ancient history are supported.

Reincarnation
A myriad of individuals have memories which are tied to past incarnation in Atlantis. I am not saying this memories are all, in themselves, products of fantasy. Some certainly are.
I do think that the images and feeling tones may have their source in some other location of which we are not fully aware or that the individual is in tune with some other type of impression.

Was there something?
The image we have of Atlantis is massive Greek temples in which sages in white robes had secret knowledge to manipulate crystals and interaction with nuts-and-bolt spaceships from the Pleiades. I don't believe it for a minute.
But, there are definitely real anomalies and the standard picture presented to us of human history has its holes. I am convinced that the Sphinx is actually an artifact of the same civilization that built Gobekle Tepe in Turkey and reaches back to 10,500 BC. Could we call that 'Atlantis?' Someday when this is accepted by the 'mainstream' I hope they DO call it Atlantean Civilization to honor the myth. Nothing would be more appropriate.

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Lets see what New Age cartoon artists say to that:

A pseudodocumentation about the "History" of Atlantis. I do not promise any illumination if you look at the film but at least it can make you laugh [crazy]

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKFTNHjCovU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSY6on-M9Vw
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7gsTMGeHzo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2GdpWhBi3A
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5dZhuLI2Ug

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So, according to Jordan Duchnycz, Jews are from space and males are evil. This is true because how the pyramid were constructed is a mystery. I may need a belt of Scotch before watching part 2 to make sure I'm constructed properly to approach his material. Note I said 'may' so it's not too negative.

He also mentions 'The Troano Document' located in the British Museum and asserts this is a 3,000 + year-old Mayan document giving information about Atlantis. This is actually a section of the Madrid Codex and it is accepted as having been writing sometime in the 1250's - 1450's. This is a fully translated text which consist of almanacs and astronomical data used by the Mayan priests. Still nothing outside Plato about Atlantis.

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Occult Forum Archive wrote:Original post: Death787

I know a lot about Atlantis myself, but I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say... :cool:
Concerning the New Age version of Atlantis, I could tell, that it is a strange re-manifestation of the Nordic Tradition. Atlantis seems to be...Asgard. Which are exactly the main points here :

1. According to Snorri Sturlson, Asgard was located in the Black Sea, nearby the place of the Turkish resort of Chanakkale(and where once Troy was). Some authors(Frank Joseph) consider, that "the pillars of Hercules" was the Strait of the Dardanelli. And both, Atlantis and Asgard during their Fall drown in the World Sea: Atlantis during the Flood and Asgard during Ragnarok.
2.Both Atlantis and Asgard were fruitful lands, an earth paradise, inhabited by the Gods.
3.Both Atlantis and Asgard are described as military civilizations.
4.The Atlanteans have the same appearance as the appearance, which is related to the Vikings: strong, muscular body, light skin, blonde hair.
3.Atlantis was believed to possess a crystal, which was a source of enormous energy and was the reason for its Fall. This crystal is a metaphor, of course, very similar to the western idea of the Philosopher's stone and...the Crystal matrix described by many rune masters.This is the circle with the point in the center(and through this center 6 "spokes" are drawn). From this "crystal" all Runes arise, but the Rune HAGALAZ is the Rune, which is mostly associated with it. HAGALAZ is the Rune of the constructive destruction- it destroys the crops in the field, but with this the nest of the serpents, which have poisoned the wheat.
4.And yes, before the end, all Atlanteans become corrupted(a version, described by Nicolai Riorich). The Atlanteans and the Asgardians became greedy, only the Gold and the Power was their goal.Their development reached incredible levels and finally its climax.
5.Atlantis and Asgard were destroyed by Fire(Volcano eruption for Atlantis, the Fire of the Giant Surt in the Norse myth). The Death of Atlantis and the destruction of Asgard are events, which remind of the Crowley's Crossing the Abyss. Every of the Aesir met his/hers shadow counterpart, one Giant and both died, except Odin, who was devoured by his wolf and his sons had to rip his belly to bring the Father of All back to life. And by this, Odin has realized the Great Work once again and brought back to life all dead Gods, Warriors and People, who died during the Great War. However, they had to leave the Earth forever.When the Gods ascended towards the sky and directed themselves to their new home, only Mjolnir, the Thor's hammer felt and showed the place, where the Gods will go and where the mankind should strive for: Stella Polaris(the Silver Star?).

And so happened with Atlantis and the Atlanteans: some of them remained on the Earth and others ascended.

6.Many new age fans believe, that Atlantis will be reborn. The beloved son of Odin, Balder died before Ragnarok and after it is expected to wake up(he sleeps? he is not dead but dreaming?) , to escape Hel and return to the World, where he could eventually rebuilt the World as it was during Ragnarok...or will lead the people(or a part of them) o the path, which the Norse Gods have undertaken.

These stories, according to me, teach, that everything, that becomes too developed, cannot live on the Earth anymore. And the reason is, that the complex organism/system demands a lot of energy and resources. To maintain it, means to damage the balance on the planet and increase the entropy. This means, that the possibility for future evolution here, on the earth and maybe this dimension are limited. Everybody, who tries to pass this limit, may end up very poorly. The dinosaurs and other huge, monstrous organisms, who had inhabited the earth in the past, died because of their complexity. This happens to the so called "higher humans", described by the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche , this has happened to the Gods of Old(such myth exists in Egyptian pyramid texts, where the Gods have left the Earth on the boat of Re, but before they leave, Toth gave to the humans a few books with the essence of their wisdom; we may remember the war between Arthur and Mordred and how Avalon has left the Earth with the wounded king, who is expected to return one day with Merlin). I do not think, that Atlatis-Asgard or Avalon or the Gods of Old will return back to the Earth or will be reborn. For me, it is more likely a part of the mankind to find the path towards the Ascension - both by spiritual and technological means. Stephen Hopkins claims, that we must immediately seek a way to leave the Earth in order to survive.

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I mentioned previously on this thread that there are no ancient sources for Atlantis. Tolan_13 writes speculation that Atlantis may be akin to Asgrad but offers nothing but vague similarities which could easily be constructed by taking two random mythologies and looking for events or tales which are similar: Amaterasu was in a cave and so was Jesus, therefore they are the same! Whatever the peripheries, in the core understanding of Plato, Atlantis was noting like was the Norse held Asgard to be.

I still maintain that, outside of Plato (who knew about Troy & didn't identify it with Atlantis), there are no ancient references to Atlantis.

PS Let's take this thread to 10,000 views!

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Asurendra wrote:I mentioned previously on this thread that there are no ancient sources for Atlantis. Tolan_13 writes speculation that Atlantis may be akin to Asgrad but offers nothing but vague similarities which could easily be constructed by taking two random mythologies and looking for events or tales which are similar: Amaterasu was in a cave and so was Jesus, therefore they are the same! Whatever the peripheries, in the core understanding of Plato, Atlantis was noting like was the Norse held Asgard to be.

I still maintain that, outside of Plato (who knew about Troy & didn't identify it with Atlantis), there are no ancient references to Atlantis.

PS Let's take this thread to 10,000 views!
No, I do not say, that they are the same."The reality" ot Atlantis is highly doubtful, anyway. First, I spoke not about the Plato's version about Atlantis, but the various "New Age" myths, which draw from many sources. The primal is, of course, Ignatius Donnely, who makes the connection between Atlantis and the Norse myths(and of course, many other, but the connection Ragnarok-Atlantis fall is often quoted). Donnely is the man , who gave the start of the so called "Atlantis craze"and almost all beliefs about the "lost continent" seem to be based on his writings. And here is the connection Asgard-Atlantis(yes, if Atlantis did exist at all).This does not mean, that other myths are not included in the Atlantean archetype, however the nordic one seems to be one of the leading ones.I have focused mostly on it and which are the points, I explained.

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Tolan_13, Not saying everything is 100% factual as I have not done the necessary follow up to confirm or deny any of these references, but this site touches base on this exact question:

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Writings.html

At least worth a read......

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Hello Truthseeker,

I am going through the site you linked. I am writing this without having looked at everything because there are a couple of items on the site that annoyed me. The first is the assertion that there may have been references to Atlantis in pre-Platonic writings that are lost. In reality, this is a non-statement because of course that is possible, but, it is equally possible it is not true. It's just rhetoric.

But what really made me shake my head was how disingenuous the author of the website is (or wherever it came from) in the treatment of this quote from Herodotus.
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Although I know more Koine (New Testament) Greek I can read this and I can see the little game he is playing. He translates this "the Atlantis Sea." That is wrong! Yes, the Greek word in the phrase "Thalassa hey Atlantis" is 'Atlantis,' BUT that is the genitive case of the noun: it means 'of Atlas.' You can't take it to mean 'Atlantis' as the author is intending. Herodotus is saying "the Ocean of Atlas."

Seeing this like this is enough to make one very suspect of the author. I will look at this site more and have more to say since I need to home to look in my library for some things I saw and cannot comment on from work.

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Asurenda,

Thank you for taking the time to clarify some of the author's points. Case and point of how translations can be manipulated to make one think or behave in a certain fashion.

That information set aside, what are your thoughts on the Emerald Tablets of Thot (Thoth). If one is looking for pre-Platonic writings making reference to Atlantis, do they look any further than the self-proclaimed Atlantean?

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Hello Truthseeker,

The Emerald Tablets of Thoth: "Originally published in mimeographed form in the 1930s by a mysterious "Dr. Doreal." When 'mysterious' is involved it is always a bad sign since you cannot trace the chain of custody of the text back to where it was found to help verify its authenticity. Concerning the origin of this text it's further noted, "No one has ever seen the original tablets mentioned here, and in all likelihood, these writings would be considered channeled material today." There is a famous fake like this in Sanskrit called the Vaimānika Shāstra (which would have been great if it were true). This organization called 'The Great White Lodge' which claimed to be the pyramid priesthood and keeper of these artifacts was founded in 1930. I'm sorry to say, Truthseeker, from my point of view there is no reason to believe this is an ancient text.

Even if it were a legitimate, Hermetic text that would mean it is not pre-Socratic since that philosophy did not exist in Greece at that time but developed later. You would have to go to India of that era to find a worldview much closer to Hermeticism.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/thot/esp_thot_1.htm
http://beforeitsnews.com/watercooler-to ... 33444.html
http://brotherhoodofthewhitetemple.com/

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More on the link given from this Leonard person, Greek Section

The Hellanicus 'Atlantis' Argument

First, as he admits, there are only fragments to this work so it is hard to cite something as evidence when there is nothing there. He claims it is referring to Atlantis because Poseidon, Atlas and his daughters are mentioned. Since it is a blank slate, it is equally possible it is referring to legends around them and to support this is the title itself:

1. Atlantis" (Ατλαντίς) also means the daughter of Atlas in ancient Greek. Entry Ατλαντίς in Liddell & Scott (the standard dictionary of Greek).

This is supported by what the fragment says:
'Poseidon mated with Celaeno, and their son Lycus was settled by his father in the Isles of the Blest and made immortal.'
http://oilismastery.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... esbos.html

On a hunch I did some further digging about Lycus the son of Poseidon and I found he had a brother which gives us an idea of his dates:
Eurypylus of Cyrene

Yet another Eurypylus was a son of Poseidon and the Pleiad Celaeno, and ruled over the Fortunate Islands. He had a brother named Lycus.[30] Others state that Eurypylus was a king of Cyrene, and note that the brothers were also referred to as Eurytus and Lycaon.[31] Eurypylus married Sterope, a daughter of Helios and sister of Pasiphae, and had two sons, Lycaon and Leucippus.[32][33] Triton assumed his shape when he encountered the Argonauts in Libya.[34]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurypylus

So, if Lycus' grandson was in the time of the Argonaunt it is WAY after Atlantis. Hellanicus of Lesbos is clearly NOT talking about Atlantis.


The 'Isles of the Blessed' Argument based on Hesiod.

I am confident in asserting the Hesiod nowhere mentions Atlantis, and neither does Pindar. Mr. Leonard claims that he does because when he mentions the Isles of the Blessed, located in the western ocean, it is actually a reference to Atlantis but not specifically by name.
The first problem with this is that Hesiod believed that place still existed while Atlantis would have sunk long before the poet's time. Some of the heroes of the Trojan War went to live there.
Over time the Isles of the Blessed became more associated with the Afterlife and that certainly rules out Atlantis. Here is what Hesiod sang:

Others, however, the son of Cronus decided to grant a
Dwelling place far from men at the furthermost ends of the earth, and
There they continue to live, their consciousness perfectly carefree,
There in the Isles of the Blessed, beside deep-eddying Ocean,
[Distant from the immortals; and Cronus was king of that kingdom
After the father of gods and of men freed him from his bondage;
Now from those heroes he gets high honor as is most befitting.]
Fortunate heroes! Their plowlands are so fertile they yield a
Crop more delicious than honey that flourishes three times yearly.
Works and Days, (lines 164-176)

There is also a logical problem with his argument. You could write it like this:

Atlantis is the western ocean
The Isles of the Blessed are in the western ocean
Therefore: The Isles of the Blessed are Atlantis.

That's like:

San Francisco is on the west coast
Seattle is on the west coast
Therefore: Seattle is San Francisco.

Personally, I don't put much weight behind what this Leondard says proving Atlantis.

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Maybe an interesting pint to mention regarding this "downfall". This topic has a lso a very big but maybe not very well known appaerance in the classical fantasy literature from the middle of the last century. Maybe some of you know the book "Silmarillion" written by Tolkien.

Tolkien describes in his book an ancient culture of men, called the Numenors. They were wiser then the average men, taller and stronger and much more advanced, had explored the world long before the other people were even able to set a sail. They were blessed by the gods, their Island Numenor was fruitful and a beautiful place, sacred ground for the Valar. But the Numenor became corrupted by Sauron and were pushed against the gods. They started to worship Melkor, the "Lucifer" of the Tolkien universe which was banished from Arda long before the rise of Numenor. They even built a sanctuarium, in some versions there was even written something about a holy stone which was abused for human sacrifices for Melkor (the "stone" is a little controverse, in some version it appears, in some it does not).
Well, at some day Sauron achived to drive the corrupted king of the Numenors to the west, which was forbidden for the men. There the sacred land of the gods dwelled in the sea but it was forbidden for the humans to ever see or go to that land where the elbs and the Valar come from. Sauron planted in the doubt that the humans were discriminated and left alone as only mortal people under immortal races (elbs and Valar). So the Numeonors set sail which lead to the final stroke by the father god. He lifted the sacred land away from the world Arda and formed with his fist the world: Out of the former plane of Arda he formed a ball so that no other human child would ever find his way again to the shores of the Valar. Only the elves were allowed to pass. but that is a secret. The strike of the Fathergod lead to the devasstation of Numenor which bursted and sank into the sea. The surviving Numenors who lived at the shores of middle earth then formed the new kingdoms of the West, Gondor and Anor but their formed glory faded and now the former glorious blood of Numenor runs thin and only through the veins of a small group of men.

In my opinion we have here a story very directly inspired by the theories of Atlantis at tolkiens time. However I have the feeling that the theories. did not really change over the past few decades

Just my 2 cents.

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Hello Ramscha,

Yes, I am sure Tolkien was influenced by the Atlantis Legend. Our modern, New Age version (with all the crystals and pyramids) comes from the channeled book 'Dweller on Two Planets' by Phylos & Edgar Casey. As I said before about him, God love the man as a medical intuitive he was a true genius. That is clearly documented. But, none of his other material really works out.

Leonard's Atlantis Material: Sanskrit Section

I have already gone through the Greek sources he presented and now will turn my attention to those from India. If anyone has wondered about name I have chosen for an avatar, 'Asurendra,' what it mean is 'Asura lord' in Sanskrit. I mention that since we will be dealing with the subject of the Asura here.

'The Western Ocean' as location of Atlantis in Vedic sources

In several places Mr. Leonard takes Vedic references to a “Western Ocean” and assumes that this is the Atlantic. That is not the case. In the classical Vedic view, the subcontinent of India is the center and primary landmass of 'Bhu Mandala,' the Human Realm. So, the Western Ocean in question would only be the Indian Ocean, and not the Atlantic. The Atlantic does not figure in the ancient Sanskrit geography.
vedic map earth.jpg
The Seven Islands of Patala as Atlantis

“The Vishnu Purana, one of the oldest of the Hindu Puranas, speaks of "Atala, the White Island," one of the seven dwipas (islands) belonging to Patala (Book II, chaps. i, ii, and iii). This ancient text locates Atala geographically on the seventh (heat, or climate) zone, which according to Francis Wilford (the translator) is 24 to 28 degrees north latitude, putting it in the same latitude as the Canary Islands just off the North African coast. Col. Wilford rightly calls Atala, "Atlantis, the White Island". (Wilford, 1808)”
-Leonard

Francis Wilford was a 19th century Indologist and their approach was to view Indian myths as rather simple and misunderstandings of literal facts or events. This is 200 years out of date at this point. So, when he is talking about the 7th zone and degrees he INTERPRETS them as places on the earth. They are not. The actual Indian sources make no such identification.

What do they say? This seventh degree is a celestial zone.

BILA-SVARGA

Bila-svarga is the name of subterranean 'heavens' inhabited by the Asuras and the Nagas. Bhagavata Purana lists seven of them, one below another: Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Mahatala, Rasatala and Patala.
Bila-svarga - "In these seven planetary systems, which are also known as the subterranean heavens [bila-svarga], there are very beautiful houses, gardens and places of sense enjoyment, which are even more opulent than those in the higher planets because the demons have a very high standard of sensual pleasure, wealth and influence. Most of the residents of these planets, who are known as Daityas, Danavas and Nagas, live as householders. Their wives, children, friends and society are all fully engaged in illusory, material happiness. The sense enjoyment of the demigods (the Asura) is sometimes disturbed, but the residents of these planets enjoy life without disturbances. Thus they are understood to be very attached to illusory happiness." (SB 5.24)

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patala

In conclusion, wherever one identifies Atlantis, a terrestrial place, with Atala or these other 'islands' it is wrong because they are located in the Asura Realm and not on the planet Earth. But, we're not done with that Realm yet.

Tripura as Atlantis

“In other words, Atala, the White Island is remarkably similar to Plato's Atlantis, even down to its circular capital city, Tripura! Tripura is made in three concentric parts, just as Plato's Metropolis is divided into three parts by concentric canals. During the war of the gods and Asuras, the wicked cities of the Asuras began to fall, one by one, amidst loud cries of woe: "Burning those Asuras, he [the hero] threw them down into the Western ocean" (Karna Parva, Section XXXIV)."
- Leonard

We have already seen that Atala exist in the Asura Realm, not on earth, and the same is true of Tripura. Plato, of course, does not say that the denizens of Atlantis were not human beings. Those who dwell in the Asura Realm and who lived in the cities of Tripura were Asura, not humans. The Asura are powerful and celestial beings. They fight on par with the Devas. Further reason not to identify Atlantis with a location in the Asura Realm. But, I mention Tripura because it shows how this man edits and manipulates sources to maek them fit his ends rather than allowing them to speak of their own accord. The Cities of Tripura was not one city with 3 concentric rings, they were 3 separate cities which floated in the atmosphere around the Asura Realms and only aligned on rare occasion. Although the Asura worship (now and then) Lord Shiva, Tripura was destroyed by Him for reasons that are too much for here.
I will say this: Tripura did not start-off as a 'wicked city' and it became that, ironically to us, by adapting the anti-life morality of so many of our modern religions and forsaking Lord Shiva (a Tantric Path). The Asura were tricked into this by Lord Vishnu.

There is no possible way to identify Tripura was Atlantis. If it could float, like Tripura, it would not have been destroyed by the ocean!

Given what I have seen with Mr. Leonard's treatment of the the Greek and Vedic sources with which I am familiar, I do not trust anything he has to say about the Egyptian references to Atlantis. They look suspicious but I am not as familiar with Ancient Egypt so I will not comment.

I maintain there are not references to Atlantis in the Ancient World outside of Plato and all those who read him understood he was creating a myth.

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The way I've learned it is that Atlantis is likely based off of a Minoan island that used to be in the Aegean sea. Apparently there was a civilization there (Thera) that was very advanced for its time. We are talking running water, flushing toilets, etc. They were either a major trade post or along the major trade route, again I cannot remember. The Egyptians knew about them though. However there was a large volcanic explosion in the area and most or all of the island was shot into the atmosphere. When the Egyptians saw it was gone, obviously they did not understand the concept of an eruption and came to believe that this "hyper-advanced" civilization disappeared into the sea. This is what they told Plato.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption

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That could be a source for the legend. Personally, though, I think Plato fabricated it completely as he did other myths he created in his dialogues.

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Asurendra wrote:That could be a source for the legend. Personally, though, I think Plato fabricated it completely as he did other myths he created in his dialogues.
Quite possible.

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On the level of textual evidence I am convinced Atlantis, as conceived, never existed. But, for me the sticking point is the large amount of people who claim past life memories of Atlantis. I'm not willing to say that everyone who has these experiences is just plain wrong. I'm sure a large percentage are, but, knowing how important experience is in the occult I still have some doubts. At present, I tend to think that they are sticking mythological pins on something that they can not otherwise categorize. I am unsure.

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source: http://www.silentvoices.org.uk/#/calist ... 4568887289

THE ATLANTEAN SPACE DOLPHINS by Calista

It brings me great pleasure to end our Atlantean series with some light and wisdom from the Atlantean Dolphins. I have been captivated by
dolphins since I was a young girl for their expressive, giving nature. Even now, as the world looks to Japan to stop the culling of Dolphins,
our ocean friends remain positive and ever-loving; in their knowing assured that no living being ever passes in vain.

Last year I began to create ascension tools and essences with the dolphins, which took me on an incredible journey of self-discovery and heart
expansion. I was fortunate to meet and swim with them too, which was a dream fulfilled!

Although I had connected with the dolphins in meditation learning we had shared lifetimes together, it wasn’t until we physically met that I could
appreciate their true essence. Tears filled my eyes as I looked to them. Their energy was incredible; pure and brilliant, my soul sang with joy!
Memories of our lives together spent swimming and healing in the rivers of Atlantis came back to me in a flash of remembrance. It was
overwhelming yet this familiar sense helped me to transmute the fear of water that I was carrying in this life.

And for this I was, and am, so grateful.

From meeting the dolphins and developing their healing tools I can wholeheartedly say that my energy has increased 10-fold. I feel I have awakened sleeping truths within me and my vibration is clearer and lighter. Situations that would otherwise have got to me started to slip away creating a renewed sense of peace within me. And this is what dolphins do; it’s their very essence to bring us peace and awaken our light! They have been doing this effortlessly since man first walked on the Earth, and even before when we existed as non-physical beings. Dolphins throughout the ages have been energy keepers who have held the space for man to ascend to his highest potential.

From my time in Atlantis I remember working alongside the dolphins in my healing practice. I’m sure many of you have similar memories as the majority of mankind living on the earth now have had lifetimes in Atlantis. In this ancient time, our vibration rose to the 5th and 6th dimensional frequencies, which meant we enjoyed incredible spiritual gifts of telepathy, telekinesis, instant manifestation and a deep sense of oneness and unconditional love to all that is. It was as many call it: heaven upon earth.

Many ascended beings from around, and beyond, our universes were invited in to Atlantis. Amongst these were dolphins that came from the oceanic planet within the star system of Sirius. They brought to Atlantis great knowledge and wisdom that the Atlanteans drew from to shape their world. Each person would communicate with the dolphins through telepathy and heart-to-heart connection, much as we do now but at a more subconscious level. Large pools of water were built for the dolphins, and many swam with them to learn the secrets of crystal healing that initially came from Sirius, as well as how to manifest from the heart. Those who feel from the planet of Sirius are normally very drawn to dolphins – as well as whales and turtles – and may have a strong focus for healing the earth and conserving her resources.

With the fall of Atlantis many of the dolphins retreated to Sirius but some decided to incarnate in to human form as teachers that would go to create the ancient civilisations of Egypt, Greece and the Inuit traditions. Others incarnated in to the physical dolphins we know now. They did this to hold the light of Atlantis within them; to carry it in their very DNA much in the same way we hold our soul’s history within us. By connecting to the dolphins now we automatically awaken the parts of us which were Atlantean so we can remember the skills and gifts we had, and bring them in to awareness now.

There are many ways to connect to the Atlantean dolphins. The best way is in meditation. To help you focus you may like to use crystals, such as Larimar, Angelite, Quartz and Rainbow Fluorite that all contain a similar vibration to the Atlantean dolphins. Fluorite in particular is wonderful to meditate with (as well as for self-healing) as it comes from Sirius. This crystal contains a tremendous amount of ancient knowledge waiting to be explored. When you use these crystals you will naturally bring in the support, light and wisdom of the Atlantean dolphins.

Another great aid which I developed alongside the dolphins is their own Ascension Kit® and Essence available from http://www.ethereallight.co.uk. When you work with this meditation kit or essence call in your own etheric dolphin guide to awaken and deepen your spiritual gifts. Know that by inviting in the dolphins to your life you are helping not just your own ascension path, but also the ascension of our great mother planet. The more light you anchor, the more you give to the planet, helping us to collectively achieve heaven upon the earth.


~ Message and Healing Visualisation from the Atlantean Dolphins ~

“We are the Atlantean Dolphins and we come to you today on our light frequency to bring you a message of love, joy and peace. It has been sometime since we have channelled our wisdom to this extent through man; but now is the time when our light is most needed on Earth.

Your way of be-ing here on Earth is so important to us as we look after the collective light of the planet helping to uplift and lighten its vibration. This is our calling, our Divine duty. Many have written that we came to Earth at the start of Atlantis but in actuality, our earthly presence goes further back to the times of Allura (as some know it, Lumeria).

We came to Allura after a call from the higher celestial councils who wished to bring the Earth more light to help foster positive relationships between the non-physical beings at that time (the first race of man upon the Earth). We replied and came forth to the Earth from many oceanic planets including the star system of Sirius where we were healers and knowledge bearers. To some extent, the knowledge of your universe is still held within the physical dolphins of Earth.

Since the times of Allura (and Atlantis) we have held the space for the enlightenment of man. And now we speak through many of you to say that within each of you remains the key to your enlightenment: your Source light. It is our duty in this time of re-awakening to unlock these keys so you remember your inner light. Many of you have already done this through conscious asking, and through learning healing and teaching practices. For those of you who haven’t, we call to you now.

You may have seen references to Dolphins in your dreams, meditations, or felt drawn to us through the recent media attention. Dear ones take notice of this as a sign that you are ready to move forward to a lighter, purer way of be-ing. All you need to do is acknowledge and allow us to come forth to you. This may also bring back to your conscious awareness your life times in Allura and Atlantis unlocking any skills and experiences that are relevant for you now. Accept these ‘memories’ with love, and allow yourself from a place of non-judgement to accept and release what may be needed to aid your life now. Enjoy feeling lighter and happier as we align with you. Let your inner light shine out in your world and know by accepting your truth you are paving more light and happiness for the Earth.

In our realm - which is not separate from yours, only lighter in vibration - we hold the light of human-kind high. To us, ‘tomorrows’ are not important, only living for today. For the present moment is so dear and special, as you are to us. We treasure the ‘moment’ and give joy to our feelings. We are here today to remind you of this. As your awaken your light hold yourself in high regard and allow the sweetness of joy to be felt in each moment. We would like you to try this following exercise to help with this.

Close your eyes and savour just being alive and experiencing the now. Breathe in to it; let yourself be. Allow any thoughts or concerns to leave your body through your breath. Your breath, is your eternal connection to us and your inner Source light. And when you consciously breath you clear your energy able to reach back further in to the deep expanse of you, like an ocean of peace waiting for you to swim in. Know you are as vast as any sea and can, if you allow yourself, flow with the tide of life. Living each moment feeling clear and free of concerns. Try this exercise now, just breathing in to you and to this moment.

Our life is simple, loving and joyful as we live in this truth. Know you can live like this too sweet ones. Breathe out any resistance you may feel to this as you clear your perceptions from anything that is not love. Allow yourself to shine and be present within your Divine self now and always.

Ever love, ever true your Dolphin friends...”

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Re: Atlantis

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Personally, I've always been rather fond of the theory that Atlantis was the Minoan civilization or whichever civilization preceded or founded the Minoans. My personal theory is that they had several colonies across the Mediterranean, including the city-state of Tartessos in southern Spain.

Perhaps the New Age ideas of Atlantis are actually collective memories of an astral realm? I've read in several places- that are currently slipping my mind -that a common "past life" memory is of a technologically advanced, classically styled, magically powerful civilization. This is also a common sight in certain forms of astral travel, at least among the people I've spoken with.

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Re: Atlantis

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In virtually all cultures of the Mediterranean and Near East there are myths referencing an early civilization destroyed in a cataclysmic event.

In my reading of Plato, I would suggest that, in the Atlantis mythos, he is drawing on already well known stories as an analogy for the political views he later espouses in The Republic. I'd suggest he would be ignorant as we are as to whether the Atlantis story is mythological or a vague memory of a real event. Either way, a cross cultural analysis limited to that part of the world is probably going to be the best way to approach something close to Truth.

The Secret of Atlantis by Otto Muck (a highly influential scientist rather than a psychic) is a good place to start in-depth investigation.
To see a world in a grain of sand
and heaven in a wild flower
Hold infinity in the palms of your hand
and eternity in an hour

~ William Blake

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