In need of serious assistance.

[The_Gentleman_Devil]

Ladies and Gentleman,

Salutations! I need some major help, but first some background:

I am a paranormal researcher with a major interest in all things occult. The team I am with was recently contacted by a young woman who literally fears for her life. She claims she is being threatened by a "dark entity" that calls himself Paul. She also claims that since the arrival of this entity, she has been unable to touch a bible or cross, and that even being near them is unbearable.

After a few consultations with this young lady, my team and I had a chance to meet with her in her home. Any initial doubts we had about her mental health, or the honesty of her story, were quickly laid to rest. I do not wish to reveal too much information about the events of the evening...but they led to the conclusion that she may be suffering from what a team member calls "partial possession".

This may seem contrary to some of you, but whatever is harming this lady needs to go away. She has tried priests before with no success. Talk of anointing oils and prayers only served to piss off whomever this thing is. It occurs to me that it does not fear bibles, crosses, or invocations of the Yod Heh Vau Heh. As such, a more Goetic approach is required.

So...here is where I need help:

1. How do I best determine what this is?
2. If it be a demon, how do I discern its true name?
3. Once discerned, how do I get rid of it? Binding? Sealing? Something else?
4. If by bindinf or sealing, how do I do this?

For what it is worth, whomever this thing is, as well as others like it, show a pattern of not wanting to mess with me. Where they attempt to frighten or harm others on our team, they leave me alone. I think, perhaps, it has something to do with my youthful interactions with Azazel (which I can explain in more detail should anyone wish to know ).

Anyway...I look forward to any advice any of you can offer.

[hobotubbie]

You can share your youth experiences if you like, i would like to know about them.

So you are part of one of those paranormal groups ? I've seen some tv shows about that kind of stuff.. here in my country there aren't any tho.
I will presume you guys do the same as those on the tv shows.. and so i would like to ask, if you guys are willing to do such a thing how come none of you is at least a bit experienced in ceremonial magick/evocation? Is that related to your group general beliefs? Is that some kind of catholic based group? I would guess that girl resembles what we call in Europe a "redneck".. is that the case?

Btw, that cross, holy water and o'll mighty bible won't do jack *hit on them, go figure why? I guess your buddy az forget to tell you in the youth years..

Anyways, give more info man.

[Emsi]

I must admit that when it comes to paranormal researchers, especially those of the tv show variety, I'm a little skeptical about the validity of their knowledge. No disrespect towards you, The_Gentleman_Devil, of course, I don't know you.
But I would like to hear more about your experiences as well.
Have there been any new developments in your case in the meantime?
And yes, I seriously doubt that holy water, etc, will do much of anything.
You said that she is unable to touch a bible or cross? I find this odd... But, as I have not had experience with something like this myself, I can't exactly comment on that, other than that it strikes me as a bit too Hollywood.

Forgive me if I sound rude or anything. That is not my intention. I'm actually quite curious to hear what is happening over there with your investigation.

[The_Gentleman_Devil]

Hobo: You presume much but know little; your rudeness is not appreciated. We are not like the groups on TV; we do not desire fame, or money, or book deals. We research, attempt to understand, attempt to explain, and attempt to help. Our methods are, however, rooted mostly in science and debunking.

If you must know, my background is primarily rooted in Hermeticism with a little ceremonial magick thrown in. Where I live, one must be careful with what one practices. I will not speak for others on my team beyond saying that we are not a religious group, though we have a few who are quite religious.

Where crosses and such are concerned: this lady was raised Episcopalian, so our initial attempts were based on that. It has nothing to do with anything I was or was not told by Azazel.

Also, she is not a redneck. Quite the opposite, in fact. This, Hobo, concludes rhe extent of my conversation with you, unless you have something useful to add.

Emsi: I am short on time at the moment but will gladly fill you in when I can.

[hobotubbie]

Sorry if i hurt your feelings in any way.. that was not my intention.

All my question were not meant to attack you in any way, i thought they were pertinent for me to understand the complexity of the problem.
I didn't talk about the groups on those tv shows in a bad way, nor did i compared them to yours in a bad way. What i meant is.. for what I've seen they try to find what they perceive as paranormal activity and try to help people to get their life better.

Saying that, i just was trying to state that.. if that's your goal, which i believe it is.. people need to have a fair amount of knowledge and confidence in their abilities to accomplish such a task.
Why's that? Because we are talking about people's lifes.. i have seen other people's lifes going down so fast because of such presumptions of spiritual attacks. People who wasted all their money in the promise of better days, people who were totally obsessed with the subject to the point of going mad and depressed, you name it.

So i believe this is a very serious subject.. and i think you understand the relevance of what you are doing in other peoples lifes no? I mean, when you say "i will help you" , the person with "problems" and their family will deposit all their trust and belief into you, so it's a huge responsability to bare.

The "redneck" question was a way of trying to figure out more about the difference between a real issue and a fantasy. Many people live very strict religious lifes to the point of obsession, others have real legitimate mental problems. I asked because like i said, when you have that kind of responsability you have to go thro all possibilities. I'm not saying you didn't, you probably did, but you didn't exposed them.

Regarding the religious objects, i'm not saying this because i heavily dislike the church (which i do but it's irrelevant) .. but because many of these entities heavily predate the creation of the church of men, and even tho those can be considered symbols of power to us, they mean nothing to them.

[Emsi]

Communication via text is such a mine field of misunderstandings. I'm certain no ill was meant by hobotubbie.

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you could keep us up to date, The_Gentleman_Devil.

I agree with hobotubbie on the subject of holy objects. If this is indeed a Demon (which for personal reasons I don't think it is... but who knows, right?), they are essentially pre-christian gods... So a Christian symbol isn't entirely relevant to them, no matter the Christian's beliefs. It is interesting then that this entity has such a severe reaction to the cross, bible, etc.
Perhaps this is merely a malevolent spirit of some kind? Has it communicated with anyone? Though communicating might be pointless, as the chances of it lying are pretty good.

I can't exactly picture a Demon taking time out of its day to possess some random bystander... unless it has far reaching consequences or figures into some grand plan. But again, I'm completely biased when it comes to this subject.
I'm sorry that I can't give any actual helpful advice for how to deal with whatever has decided to set up camp in the girl.

All the best.

[The_Gentleman_Devil]

Hobo: My apologies. I suppose my judgment and sensitivitis are a bit clouded due to my desire to assist the young lady.

To update both you and Emsi and to provide some extra info:

She recently informed us that things have escalated a bit. Where whomever this is was content to merely frighten her, it has now taken to leaving scratches upon more private areas of her body, and has placed pressure upon her chest whilst she sleeps. It also seems to have taken a liking to tampering with pictures and electronics in her home.

She has informed us that she believes this all started when, as a teenager, she and some friends used a hand-crafted Ouija board that was found buried on one of their properties. Now, I don't much believe in Ouija boards (Ideometer Effect) but I do find it strange that these things began at that time, and since that time she and one other girl are the only users who have not perished due to odd or extreme circumstances (one was kidnapped and murdered only days after using it...killer never found).

Apparently, she blames this thing for a divorce as well as the tragic death of her young daughter (many years ago). I do not wish to give more details about those events without her permission.

The only kind of name that this thing has provided is "Paul".

Where bibles and such are concerned: she feels that if she were to touch one, or read scripture, or wear a cross, that something terrible will happen to her or someone she cares about. It isn't like this thing is afraid of those...more like it is trying to keep her from her faith and keep her under control.

Anymore ideas?

[sinistor666@gmail.com]

Keep this in mind...that she has an aversion to objects considered Holy within the Christian religion.

Q: How do I best determine what this is?
A: If we believe that this thing is a Demon, and I mean a demon by the definition of the Church and Scripture, then we are refusing to consider every other possibility. There are demons in every ancient culture and within every belief system (even Buddhism). Does the being have an aversion to something like, say, any of the Buddhist Holy works? Have you touched the woman with a copy of the Diamond Sutra? Have you laid a Book of Mormon upon her? If you do, she will react until she realizes the book is NOT the Bible, or otherwise some other Christian scripture. Why? Because while she may be experiencing something paranormal, her mind is interpreting it in the context of Christianity (most likely her native religion). So what? Well, in Christianity every spirit is either good (from God) or bad (from the Devil). So this woman could be experiencing a human spirit, reacting to it as if it were a demon (because of her own psychology), and that human spirit could be laughing because of how crazy lady is acting and continuing to mess with her. I know I would be.

Q: If it be a demon, how do I discern its true name?
A: You don't. Names are very human things. We name things. If you study the various names of Demons in Scripture or the grimoires, they're not really names at all - they're titles. They represent what the demon does or the nature of the demon. Even "Satan" isn't a name. With that understanding, you could call the Demon Belial by the name "Lilith"and suddenly the demon would not only respond to the name Lilith as if it were Lilith, but it would also take on the various perceived qualities of Lilith. The Demons are beyond our notions of them; while demons are beyond the names we give them, and beyond the qualities we assign to them, they will take pity upon our ignorance and play along for our own sake. This is to say that we humans can only understand physical things, while they are not physical. Therefore, they will play to our ignorance in order to get their message or purpose across to us.

Q: Once discerned, how do I get rid of it? Binding? Sealing? Something else?
A: You're assuming it wants to be there in the first place. Think about this: Some ancient, powerful demon...has chosen, out of all the people in the entire world, to spend its time bothering this woman? Why? She isn't socially powerful is she? I assume she isn't a politician, or otherwise exercises any type of influence in the world, right? So why would this demon just decide one day to bother this woman? If there really is a demon bothering her, it would be my guess that she brought it to her by dabbling. In which case, let one of two things happen: 1) she lets it destroy her or 2) she learns from this and works out the issue on her own, thereby gaining some insight into herself and spiritual reality.

[Azkhet]

Keep this in mind...that she has an aversion to objects considered Holy within the Christian religion.
Q: Once discerned, how do I get rid of it? Binding? Sealing? Something else?
A: You're assuming it wants to be there in the first place. Think about this: Some ancient, powerful demon...has chosen, out of all the people in the entire world, to spend its time bothering this woman? Why? She isn't socially powerful is she? I assume she isn't a politician, or otherwise exercises any type of influence in the world, right? So why would this demon just decide one day to bother this woman? If there really is a demon bothering her, it would be my guess that she brought it to her by dabbling. In which case, let one of two things happen: 1) she lets it destroy her or 2) she learns from this and works out the issue on her own, thereby gaining some insight into herself and spiritual reality.

I was privately wondering the same thing. If I was a big, capital-D demon, why would I waste my time with some random useless housewife? They're never very spiritually aware, much less powerful (and thus a desirable target) and I've never heard of someone with actual social influence and power having these issues, either -- again desirable targets if the demon is trying to increase its footing somehow. No, it's always some damn woman who thinks Belial is living in her sock drawer. Besides, if it is a real spirit, it will be affected by whatever banishing you performed just fine (provided you did the banishing correctly.)

There probably are a host of little gremlins running around the house wearing devil masks and scaring the hell out of her. Why? Her freakouts and continued focus on them feed them. They learn it's effective, and they keep it up. She learns that she gets attention from other people because of it (there's probably a psychiatric component here) so she keeps up the behavior. The cycle continues. If I was a spirit, I'd be trolling her because I'd think her reaction is hilarious. It's sort of sad, really, because all she's doing is making herself miserable.

[Para333am]

Hi Gentlemen,

I too am a paranromal investigator/ sensitive who handles mainly negative hauntings. I do have experience in partial possessions and they are damn well happen. What did your investigation determine? The first thing I do is try to figure out what type of spirit you are dealing with. Dont be fooled in thinking only inhuman spirits can cause a partial possession, because human spirits can too. An a** in life is an A** in death too. After you determine the type of spirit you need to then deal with it from its orgins. There are various ways to do so..

I encourage you to continue studying the occult and various religions.. The more open you are and knowledge you have it will help you be able to help others. I will also encourage you to open your team up to various types of people. Example although I have more of a Catholic Based faith I also have two pagans and one Wiccan on my team. They are all positive people with a very simliar view of life as myself, you have to blend as much as possible. You might be shocked at how much ya have in common. My girls are my BFF's and well when we combat a nasty spirits, its us chics with combination of bindings and rituals.

Now does the client have any sort of mental diesorders, drug or substance abuse or anything that would make he/she a target?

Many Blessings
Krys