Slower aging?

[silvermage]

I have been working with practitioners from several different schools over the course of my twelve years in the craft and have noted that those who work regularly with the higher magics tend to age more slowly than their mundane counterparts or at least they tend to appear younger than their peers. Has anyone else noted a similar phenomenon or is this limited to my own group? I have also to an extent noted this in myself as at 26 I can still easily pass for 17 or 18. (Very annoying to still get asked for my ID whenever I buy wine or tobacco or get girls telling me they don't date younger guys when I ask them out). When I was somewhat younger and more foolish I attempted to achieve immortality through a process called the threefold-blessing which was basically founded on the idea that one who is blessed by magical (pure arcane formulae), spiritual (gods and goddesses) and elemental powers would pass beyond the bonds of mortality. Obviously I was unsuccessful, at least as far as I know, but this could possibly a residual or diluted effect of the intended purpose of said ritual.

[toadbones]

I've actually noticed the opposite with myself. I appear much older than I am physically but I don't think I would put the credit for this on my practice. If I had to find a metaphysical reason to explain the older look I have I would possibly connect it to the dry, fiery energies I work with on a weekly basis. I tend to think that theurgy does affect one immediately and then profoundly over the course of many years, but not so much physically. Then again, I'm a heavy smoker so that may be giving me the older look

[silvermage]

I find that fascinating. You say that you work with fiery energies, I am for some reason unable to use fire based spells to any great extent, earth, water and air are my forte. Its strange really, I can call down lightning if I so desire but I can't for the life of me light a single candle by magic. I also smoke heavily, but only hookah.

[Jack-o-diamonds]

i work with fiery energies almost on a daily basis (i am basically the personification of a fire-ball), and i hear i don't look 27.

then again people do often tell women that they look younger than they really are just to be flattering.

also probably doesn't help that i dress like a homeless teenager.

[hobotubbie]

Has far as i'm concerned aging has nothing to do with magic. It can be affected by a zillion things such has abuse of various substances like alcohol, drugs, tobacco, daily stress, anxiety, or simply nature doing her thing.
Take in consideration aswell that you might look 18 because of your natural looks aswell, some people look like kids.

You would be surprised by what having a good life and enough money (sometimes superfluous i know) to provide you enough so you don't have to worry with superficial mundane things would do to you, in a good way.

There are some practices that can be seen has having a spiritual part like practicing meditation or yoga, that can help you fight off some of these evilish things like the nervous system issues.. but that can hardly be called magic?

Not excluding the magical solution since there are obviously things unknown to me but .. i remain kinda sckeptic.

Ps: Loving the thunder cracking from the heavens by command brag.

[Rin]

It wouldn't surprise me if extensive spiritual practice had a positive effect on aging and health, in fact I'm sure it does, but the real question is whether this is caused directly by the spiritual/magical practice, or as a side effect of the lifestyle adopted by most adepts, who tend to avoid excessive use of drugs, including alcohol/tobacco/caffeine, to stay physically fit and healthy, eat well, avoid high stress lifestyles, etc. Meditation by itself is well known to have positive health effects, but again it's hard to say whether that's due to the somatic or spiritual component of the exercises.

[Vulpecula]

I am in my early to mid 30's and can pass as a teenager if I dress like one, normally I am thought to be 22-25 at most.

It could be genetics, it could be the craft. Interestingly enough, I use ice, cold and such in my "workings".

[420]

There are non-magical ways to slow ageing as well. I recommend Dirk Pearson's Life Extension. Any anti-oxidants will work wonders.

[fellowmike]

if you take HGH you age process slows and you are running on a fast metabolism if you take that drug, but that drug along with HcG you start to almost get younger with sperm count up in the sky,.
EX: STALLONE--he is muscular tone of a 25 year old pumping iron, and does not look or act yes,, he acts young ---"acts"never nor looketh like a 67 or so year old male-


==1.first you have to mentally shift to be proactive and patient, in truth and knowingness, and positive thinking ACCESSING THE LAWS OF MAGICk such as the law of reverse, etc. you can read a daily reflection (i like A.A. daily reflection book).. and meditate on it and pray, then do a simple ritual or whatev you do..
==2.you should change your diet according to what is ===clinically=== recommending.
===3.you should stretch with basic yoga and try to at least meditate 20 min but no more than 3 hours a day. THE BREATHING exercises are the main point and the chakras too, and the quality time of being calm.
==4. you should adjust your sleep cycle to what is the best according to the 24 hour spectrum...i say the best time is 11pm-730am or 930pm--6am....thats for a normal schedule and to effectively adjust your cycle use the OTC melatonin supplement 1.==s not addictive/2.==is totally natural lasts 3.=== only two weeks-- ===application:::::every night 2 hours before sleep time=== at dosage of 7-10mg for a first week, then 1-3mg for the second and last week
--or a therapeutic light session at 10,000lux within 1.5 feet of eye to light -- in morning for 20-40min a day works as well =but light therapy (phototherapy) is a common in canada and is the best tool for SAD, sleep adjustments, better sleep, light depression relief, extreme jet lag support, mild to moderate insomnia. i have one and they costs 150-200 dollars
==5.you should exercise 4 days a week, or more but dont" over" do it. 1 hour and a half a day is above average example

==6. you should use self helping "CBT" with a journal or whatev or a bit of "logotherapy" from holocaust survivor shrinl,, or sessions of some practical "behavorism" adjustment, and guided hypnosis sessions to change thinking. If you have money go to a down to earth therapist with AT LEAST A MASTERS degree and do it for "life betterment", those punk ass counselors with a AA and BA don't know how to be NORMAL they are awkward... overpriced... and .....under-educated. (PEOPLE THINK A THERAPIST MEANS YOU HAVE PROBLEMS) I have had complete sessions just for life improvement, its works)
==7. you should be balanced as much as you can....NEVER TRY TO BE HAPPY you will never get there,
try to repeat this phrase:
===yes sir, i am COOL, CALM, and COLLECTED, feeling smooth, ayhh hold up i stand corrected.., im now to be up there with the almost perfected....
===8. to not call in law of reverse you should not worry too much about this shit. AS I HAVE BEEN THE HYPOCRITE FROM LONG POST, hah.
======9. having a wife or husband or boy friend or child, etc USUALLY MEANS LONGER LIFE. FOR THE RECORD THAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL INFLUENCE THAT BEATS OUT ANY OTHER METHOD, -------EXCEPT HGH dosing=========================

====The whole bit below may be slightly off, bu and i know a former doc in southern Cali that prescribes HGH, HGC, TEST,internal meds/and HE specializes in weight loss, hormonal shit***, substance abuse crutches when coming off opiates/opioids, and basic psych meds, without much hassle and is cheap and takes all insurance PPOs and almost all HMOs and is cheap HE in ANAHEIM, ca...=he does not give out drugs, you must have a clinically criteria AKA A REAL NEED FOR IT...LOW TEST** or low growth hormone*** IS WHY I POSTED this piece..."dr augkin augkin" (close to that name in errors of spelling)

butt seriously if you want a solid backed up diet plan, entire workout, exact blood panels info, from me, message me
For a clear cut layout, goal oriented, in depth and in the clearest way described than I have to know your statistics, or at least the overview...I am only certified for personal training at the simple and "gym basic requirement" I don't have valid medical authority, and i got the basic CPR, first aide, and aed, license.. and I know Tons about medicine I know every med in psychiatry in depth, all types of fast muscle twitch training (power lifting/pyrlometrics/ballistic stretching/balance drills/kettle bells/and strength training of large areas of muscle...I just coach, and have other job, but im about to get my psychology degree AA from gay ass junior college
====not a damn weird ass creep nor a spammer======

Exceptions to faster metabolism:
-The athlete of a fast paced sport wants a faster metabolism,
-The bodybuilder wants a fucking speedy metabolism
-the long distance runner wants a fast paced metabolism that can slow down when in cardio heart rate zone
-The underweight need to eat more good fats (olives/beans/nuts/fish oil/guacamole), complex carbs from beans, vegatables, and whole grain, average protein intake of eggs, chicken, turkey, milk, soy milk and seafood. NO DARK RED MEAT.
The overweight wants a FASTER metabolism--BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY INCREASED.

One must control the thought processes first target the little talked of ==endocrine system=== to affect it enough to the point of having a lower basal body temperature and heart and bp should settle down. RESTNG HEART RATE AT 85bpm=50bpm, "basal body temperature" of 97.2F-98.6F, and BP at 115/50-75...BASAL means upon waking in bed in morning in lamans terms
=========U MUST GET A COMPLETE BLOOD TEST to truly KNOW IF YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM IS WORKING RIGHT=========, WITH panel for 1. thyroid full panel TSh, t3, t4 free and total, 2. sex hormone. 3. pituitary gland related Growth hormone panel. metabolic function "CBC" I think is the term for it, and the electrolyte panel. ALL hormones in simple terms
...the thyroid, adrenals, pituitary gland cover vast majority the metabolism spectrum. The sex hormone is laid out below by level for age group of males knowing BMI is okay meaning if you are normal without big muscles you should aim for 4 numbers higher than normal, see my posted link for BMI caluclator for the ease that i am having trouble explaining..

Next the sexual hormones and the beloved--- pineal -----gland (never do you learn about that gland)...the pineal gland is the pine-cone gland in the middle of your brain it is small and our bodies function better when it is working stronger, sleep directly from increased melatonin and serotonin PRODUCTION from PINEAL and mood is better if you can stimulate it to "grow" or at least get more active...and online you can research how to stimulate it, that is also known as the third eye chakra. MEDICINE CALLS IT THE =======3rd eye=====. and the===pine-cone===== gland.SERIOUSLY (the catholic pope's staff has the pine-cone engraving related to that gland ((the """all-seeing eye"" on top of the pyramidl))) IS MEANT TO STAND FOR THAT pine-cone GLAND AS WELL) now you know.

FOR MALE SEX HORMONE blood test, with overnight FAST starting at 10pm from all drink and food, and minimum activity in the early morning with half glass of water, then take blood test for accurate testing from a trusted quest diagnostic care center.
You dont need ==high=== sex hormone levels, you just need enough to keep you healthy....release from orgasm and enough that it doesn't affect other hormonal glands, but too high like 1200-1900 for 'free' and 'total' testosterone level is a bit high...
18 years test should be at 700-1100ish ....FOR A normal """BMI""" OF 21-29.5
THE LOW end to the TEST LEVEL IS "<200" (lower than 200), 2-3 tests clinically back to back gives the DR the power to term you with "low t"
===age, size and person needs may differ but this is the scale that seems normal to me::
16 years 1300
18 years 1100
22 years 950
28 years 850
35 years 650
40 years 450
45 years 220
51 years 150
==too high and your body will maintain a faster pace from THE BIDDING OF THE HORMONES to balance according to your stress level and faster metabolism for faster multiplying cells etc...too low your whole system gets fucked up, and your metabolism will be unstable, depression occurs then etc...costizol levels become disturbed, FOR a bunch other issues...etc
== =orgasm of male have a needs to be maintained like once every day for a younger male group, etc...BASICALLY you just need to establish a habit, a schedule for your release..etc...2 days and on and off for older males
======see those damn adrenals issue out more stress hormone when your not balanced out-- THINKING you WOULD EVER WANT MORE STRESS...you want your adrenals to simmer down, THE SAME CASE FOR ANY OTHER METABOLIsm related hormone, as well as if your thyroid is low the adrenals do same as above, etc
===========your WHOLE BODY WANTS AND CRAVES BALANCE-======= llllll homeostasis llllllllllll=======,
you mind craves pleasure and social contact of the theory i like to see as correct is==="the drum major instinct"== thatt MLK Jr had a sermon on youtube, basically means you crave approval and ppl praising you. ===example begin=="wow your a bad ass" yeay, i feel accepted now, yeah, im loved!, yeah bitch. yaya -- example end--
NOT FREUD's theory about incest with the mom is your purpose-- saying bullshit like his cocaine is the answer to all problems, or his "permissiveness" theory that we finally have started to back off after 60 years, 60 years damn and the classic ---"penis envy"? loook that up
===all you really must do is meditate and work on your chakras for even they do not exist you focusing on that area is BENEFICIAL, but stretching, ...you want to maintain your body, slowly you lose weight and tone up, at a slower rate== but lasting for long run..
no diet pills, no protein bullshit shakes (they do not make you healthier)
PS===thyroid illnesses are likely out of all the diseases your hormonal staff has care of. sleep disorders is next on list,



for the basics of your results of your blood paneling YOU WANT A LOW TSH LEVEL for good metabolism balance t4 level, same with t3...ON "FREE" test on blood panel for thyroid functioning
you want a high FSH, LH, GH, normal insulin, lower prolatin level, oxyoxin doesn't matter. and normal TRH activity in your hypothalamus, normal adrenal function. normal low female based sex hormones ex: estrogen..
I can go on and on, I REST MY CASE. mostly true info above, 93% true id say honestly.
this took a bit of time to write and is very crude, please do not bitch. thanks.peace out

[fellowmike]

Some citations for my rant so you don't waste your life reading my whole reply==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_extension
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland


married living actually feeling younger and lasting longer especially if they have children==
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1 ... 50639.html
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/11/1 ... n-singles/


====CORRECT BMI LEvelS=======
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/obe ... micalc.htm


HE IS THAT OLD...evidence==
....67 years (July 6, 1946)....
Sylvester Stallone, Age.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chor ... nadotropin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_re ... nt_therapy


ETC>>>
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/whylife.html

[TSUKUYOMI]

according to what ive read so far its not good to take hormones of any kind because that would upset the hormone balance leading to all sorts of negative effects. ive read more than once too that taking groth hormones leads to cancer.
does anyone else have an opinion or information about this? im really interested in life extension. this topic gets way too little credit.

[Ramscha]

Every sort of lipid based hormones is especially dangers because other then peptide based hormones which dock at the cell membrane and activate a protein cascade lipid hormones pass the cell membrane, dock in the cytoplasm to their receptor and then go directly into the core to activate DNA-activity. This is, in a greater amount, dangerous because the larger the amount of direct activations of the DNA the more likely it is that a mistake occurs which can lead to mutation --> cancer. Every type of sexual hormones counts as lipid hormone like testosterone or estrogen, that is why the anti-baby pill can be dangerous and it is always said that they can be a risk factor for cancer. Also in hormone therapies there comes also this risk with taking hormones, especially for older people (>45) where the immune system is not so good anymore in taking out those cancer seeds.

That is the short version of the theoretical bachground. I am working in the pharma branche, therefore life extension is somehow part of my job.
However, everyone has to die [devil]

Ramscha

[TSUKUYOMI]

thanks for that information about hormones. do you have any ideas on how to prolong the life?

[LordAnayami]

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 35&t=35421

Here I posted my belives about it. Moreover opening chackram makes palms better hormone control.

[Ramscha]

thanks for that information about hormones. do you have any ideas on how to prolong the life?

Well, I guess you mean besides taking pills all day long?
Well, I guess a few facts will be quiet obvious but I will just repeat the clinical facts as well as some maybe unknown little options:
- eat well, ovo-lacto-vegetarism is the most healthiest diet known so far, but also if you consume meat it isn´t a real damage to your life, of course depending on the amount.
- Don´t overexercise yourself when doing sport, doing to much is bad for your joints and bones, but staying fit is still necessary to keep your muscles and hearth strong. Especially in the later age exercise is important because over time it becomes more and more difficult to build and keep up your motion system muscles.
- 4 glases of red wine per week are good for preventing cancer (due to Resveratrol), same counts for apples (1 apple a day keeps the doctor away [wink] )
- look left and right before crossing a street, cars are contraproductive for live extension
- It is helpful to have a goal for yourself (besides living long), especially in your older age where many people have no real dayly business anymore or something else which keeps the spirit up.
- Good mood is always good for health
- Be careful with drugs and medication and always read the information. Don´t be paranoid but even though when your doctor always insist of giving you antibiotics even for the slightest colds, ask yourself if this is necessary. Strong medication is not always just poison for the germs, but maybe also for you.
- Consider your own genes and look a little bit around in your closer family, how long have they lived? That maybe give you an impression how long your time on this planet is.

That were some points which may make your life longer (of course always considering your own circumstances). Basically it is all about your own health and prophylaxis, so quiet medical based. Magickal work is one point which falls somehow in between "keeping your mind sharp" and "body exercise". Meditation is of course always a possibility (considering you do it right and not those weekend courses done by a pseudo-guru), keeps your stress level low and yourself calm and focused (also depending on the kind of meditation). I know most of what I said is known and common sense but they are still facts, mostly based on medical studies and empirical data.
I don´t think that there really is a magickal way of gaining physical immortality. I know, there are many incredible things which can be done by the craft, but by talking about "immortality" we are talking not only about surviving 2 or 3 generations, but living forever, seeing civilisations come and go, continental change, the outdying of whole species. You would be left behind by evolution. I don´t think that many people which talk about immortality have those points and a few others in their mind at least that is my experience.
Keep in mind, I am talking about PHYSICAL immortality.

Moreover opening chackram makes palms better hormone control.

I am curious and would like to know where this knowledge comes from? I studied a lot the influence of such techniques on the human body, not only by self practice but I also looked over several experiments but I have never heard about such a sensation.

Ramscha

[TSUKUYOMI]

thanks for your fast and detailed reply.
according to what ive read so far dairy products arent so healthy because the casein seems to promote cancer and because of the hormones and pus. other than that ive read that pasteurized milk isnt good for the arteries promoting arteriosclerosis. what are your opinions on that?
at the moment im kinda like a half vegetarian and eat eggs, meat(mostly beef) and fish occasionally, but most of my diet is plant based.
on the topic of physical immortality i also dont think its possible but the thought is very interesting. whats so bad about seing civilizations come and go? and being left out of evolution is not that bad eighter since you can always make up for that with the knowledge accumulated in several millenia.

[Ramscha]

according to what ive read so far dairy products arent so healthy because the casein seems to promote cancer and because of the hormones and pus. other than that ive read that pasteurized milk isnt good for the arteries promoting arteriosclerosis. what are your opinions on that?

That is the bad thing about our agrar politics, I agree on that. But you have the same problem with vegetables and fruits, also here antibiotics and hormones are used + pesticides and other toxic chemicals. You have this problem with nearly every food in our western agrar production, in america more then in europe but still the gap is not that big between both. Basically milk products are important because of their big amount of calcium (important for your muscles and bones as well as the teeth and several other body functions like motion of muscles), I guess every elemntary school teacher already says that to his students. Also milk contains several vitamins and important fatty acids which work against the "bad cholesterine" and fats (risk factor for stroke) and are a substitution for the fatty acids you take up with meat. Additionally to that you need eggs because of the 8 essential amino acids the body can´t produce on its own, if you want to substitue meat and fish completly.

at the moment im kinda like a half vegetarian and eat eggs, meat(mostly beef) and fish occasionally, but most of my diet is plant based.

That is basically a nice diet, nothing is wrong with eating a little bit meat or fish (basically).

whats so bad about seing civilizations come and go? and being left out of evolution is not that bad eighter since you can always make up for that with the knowledge accumulated in several millenia.

The problem is that the mind of an average person is afraid of time. Not only because of death but when you also take that away there is nothing left. You go into eternity until this universe implodes or becomes completly cold or whatever happens with it. You wil be the last living thing on that planet and then of this solar system and then, when this is gone, in the galaxy and so on. Not only millenia, billions of years will pass and everything else will become dust and ash. You will maybe see some societies rise and fall, will see some millenias pass where you may can keep up with evolution by using your mind. But what is after that? That will maybe last for another few millions of years, maybe a billion if you are lucky or 2. And then? What is a humble human without an end?

I personally prefer to die and then go wherever Odin or Ra wants to send me.

Ramscha

[kingandlord]

Hi , there is absolutley a way to slow aging, in fact to live forever. There are two different things. Everlasting life= living forever , and Eternal life = living in the realm of eternity now.

The thing is people who have not learned about fully taking in the DNA seedline of the Father into their soul, and body. The key is the blood , communion, though most in the mainstream has been distorted into the full intent and revelation of what is and the identity it is.

A christian has their spirit regenerated, but most christians know nothing about having their soul transformed, and their body transfigured. Key= spirit,soul, body, 3 means government, a platform for something to rest upon. Once you create a platform, meaning your dna, it will have no spot or wrinkle. Revelation here, Then the ladder untwists (without wrinkle) and becomes a straight ladder and the autosomes are cleansed in your seed, you fully will bear the manifest dna of the Father, which means no other dna record, meaning the record of satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the seedline of the serpent, which is death. So once you fully have only the Father's dna, you automatically live forever, yes not only slow aging but live forever, and live, move, and have your being( entire, not just spirit) in the realm of eternity not time and space. Please meditate on these words you will see fully if sat upon.

[manonthepath]

Interesting post Silvermage. the topic is deep, but let's start out simply. Nothing comes without a price. Slowing the aging process using metaphysical energy really needs to be combined with more physical means to be maximized. Regarding the purely physical aspect the first thing I'll tell you is to drop the tobacco and cut down the wine. Regular exercise and portion control will also be quite effective. These efforts will make quite a difference and the price is easily paid. Besides, you will save money. Metaphysically, There are the classical dieties Hecate and Apollo, who might be willing to help you out if you evoke them properly and they deem you worth their time. There are the Taoist alchemists, who have written a great deal on the topic as well. Some have turned to the Christian diety satan for assistance, but I know little of this venue. The Gods won't help you for nothing as I said. You have to make the right offering to the right diety in the way that will motivate the energy to interact with you. As I mentioned, the topic gets much deeper if you want to discuss it in any detail without judgement or juvenality. I will start you out by mentioning some things that have worked for me. I interact with a number of energies for the purpose of gaining/maintaining health, vitality, strength and youth. The primary two are Apollo and Mars Silvanus. For the purposes of which we are speaking it is best to approach them around 11am or so in a forest. A warm pleasant day is best. After preparation of my equipment, hydrating and meditation, I invoke/evoke the energies. then I begin my walk through the forest. As I walk I allow the dieties to manifest in me and around me. I then break into a run. I run as long as I feel the need to. I then find large stones and or fallen trees to carry or drag with me. I offer the efforts to Mars in return for blessings. I then appeal to Apollo, Far Striker for youth and health. As I do this I turn my face to the sun and feel his strength flow through me. After seven or ten miles, I feel invigorated and begin the walk with leisure back to my starting point. I need to point out that you need to try hard. The Gods of Rome are very particular and can be wrathful when invoked by pussies, who can't impress them. Another avenue is to use Chinese medicine/alchemy. This can be expensive and takes a great deal of time to learn. Some have had luck with Hecate. The bottom line is the same as the first. Nothing comes without a price. You need to take care of yourself by eating well, exercising and controlling stress. The gods help those, who help themselves. I wish you growth.

[manonthepath]

You could just try your luck listening to the christian...his advice sounds REAL GOOOD! HAHAHAHAHA!

[albatross]

I think its important to note that just because someone has a youthful appearance, it doesn't necessarily mean they are aging more slowly.

Like others have said, there are a wide variety of factors that attribute to a youthful appearance and longevity. An active lifestyle, plenty of sleep and a plant-based diet are almost always cited as the best ways to retain youth.

Astrologically it is thought that people with their natal moons in the 1st house often have a much more youthful appearance. People with Gemini rising are also considered to look years younger than their actual age. The opposite is said of people with Saturn in the first house, that they tend to look older or act more serious than others of their age group.

[luminousraven]

Before it was associated with (dare one say trivialized by?) Western New Age associations it was claimed that successfully opening the chakras would result in dramatically increased intelligence and significant lengthening of the yogin's lifespan, though i don't know if anyone has ever documented such a result.

[Asurendra]

http://www.amazon.com/Soma-Yoga-Ayurved ... words=soma

[mrlittlegoat]

I made experiments, when I was young and cute.
I took leaves and tried to prolong the time before they began to wither. I normally took down two leaves at the time and placed each of them on a piece of white paper with perhaps a meter or two in between. One of the leaves I ignored and the other one I filled with positive energy every day, for perhaps a few minutes. I simply held my hand over it and imagined how I transferred energy. After perhaps a week I stopped and just left them be.
The result was that the leaf I ignored withered and had soon enough not a drop of water left in it. It was brown and dry so it would break into fragments if I squeezed it. The other one remained green for months. One day I had the intuitive feeling that I had to take a picture so I borrowed my mothers camera. I knew it would be to late if I did not. Next morning it had started to wither heavily.

I always had a feeling that if this could be done with leaves, why not be able to do it with humans? Just a thought

[manofsands]

I always had a feeling that if this could be done with leaves, why not be able to do it with humans? Just a thought

And maybe it is so. I'm sure persons with more activity, stimulation and attention do live longer. But maybe you are talking about something more direct, akin to scheduled massages..? I would say that would probably help too. If you find some clientele, do tell... I want in on it

Great youthful experiment by the way.