Need some help understanding whats happening to me

[Herocomplex]

If this is long winded I apologize this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming.

It all started months ago with a voice, At first I would only hear when i was alone in the quiet it was a faint whisper calling my name it was always so low that i could just about hear, and I would get this strong physical reaction when I would hear it so I know I wasn't imagining it. After awhile I would hear the voice more an more often and it would whisper whole sentences but i could never make anything out except my name. Eventually i was hearing this voice all the time, and one night out of frustration I spoke back I asked it what it wanted which I know now was a big mistake.

That very night I had a horrible dream that I was being chased by something and wokeup in a cold sweat it was the last time i would sleep for awhile. I started having horrible dreams I would wake up to the realization that i wasn't breathing sometimes i would even wake up in mid struggle as though i was fighting with someone. Then it got worse as I would lay down to sleep I would here voices growl, scratches on the wall, doors slamming, foot steps walking all around my bed, I started to feel a very dark presence then out of the corner of my eye i would see a shadow. Sometimes as i was drifting off I would feel something crawling into my bed, and climbing onto my back. Other times as I would begin to drift off it would as if there was something waking me up deliberately like something didn't want me sleeping.

I didn't sleep for two full weeks I was falling apart my mother even took me to a doctor for sleep apnea. I finally accepted that someother force was at work and i was completely and utterly terrified. I was born into an Irish catholic family none of us go to church anymore, and up until now my faith was shakey at best, but we are a superstitious bunch. I would cover my room in salt and pray constantly it seemed like things would calm down for a little then come back. After awhile I realised my fear was feeding this I was instructed to pray psalms and to invision that I was praying at what ever this entity was, and whatever happens dont stop dont let the fear win.

So thats what i did i prayed every pslam right from the bible for hours, and things got intense it did everything it usually does and more i was really scared but i didn't stop, and then I heard a voice i couldn't really understand what it said it was very high pitched and it echoed. Then a felling overcame me i can't describe
It was as if something took over my body and i watched as it commandingly read the psalms in a voice not of my own. My whole body began to shake I looked up and saw a figure of Jesus(I know this sounds crazy) and it felt like something got pulled out of me, my mouth opened, and i was screaming at the top of my lunges. Not a human scream but more like a dyeing animal. I live in a house with 4 other people and thin walls nobody woke up. After the screaming stoped I was immeditly in tears, then i slept.

For the next two days I was more tired then I've ever been. I've boxed competitively for 10 years i know what physical exhaustion is this wasnt it. I couldn't even get out of bed i was so tired I stood up an passed out I also had this very strange feeling like everything had a glow to it.

Since then things have gotten stranger(if thats possible) I understand this is something im gonna have to deal with my whole life but i don't know where to go for help. I'm not under attack like I was, but i do believe there are still things around me, I'm having alot of strang exoeriences. I still here the voices and i feel as though theres still something that wants my attention. I'm having dreams about dead people, i'm having premonitions I wake up and I just know something is going to happen and i feel this sort of energy? like people give it off and I think im feeling other peoples emoitons as well, it's all becoming very overwhelming. Also last night i felt a presence in room that felt so oppresive the air was thick it worried me but I actually felt no fear. I could go into more detail but this post is all reay very long i'd like to thank everyone who reads I'm just looking for someone who can give me awnsers or point me in the right direction.

P.S. Forgive all spelling and grammar mistakes im writing this from an ipod.

[Asurendra]

Hello Herocomplex,

I’m sorry to read about this incident that has troubled you. It’s hard to narrow down exactly what this entity may be since there are several possibilities. I would not jump to any conclusions, like it is a classical demon, because if this generates fear in you it may empower something that it not all it puffing itself up to be. There is even an off possibility that it is not negative in itself but that the dynamic of the encounter caused these problems. You said you boxed competitively, I also practice martial arts and you know how important it is to maintain an inner calm. Try and find that right now. Even if it is only a second every minute it will build and become stronger. One way or another, this issue will be resolved. You have more power that you think so do not resolve yourself to simply living with something as its victim. Throw superstition in the trash can.

How this will be resolved will depend upon another choice you make. It seems you are at a fork in the road of your own spirituality. Down one path these incidents may move you to develop a deeper connection to Christianity and the Catholic Church. This is the strictly religious path. I don’t think it is crazy that you would see Jesus at all and if you turned to him and the Bible for refuge then there is great power in that connection. So, build that connection. Would the Blessed Virgin Mary turn a deaf ear to you just because you didn’t go to church? Ask her help. Do you think the Archangel Michael only fulfills his task of rolling back evil for the saints? They don’t need his help, you do. Ask him. Christ said in Matthew 28:18 that “All authority in Heaven and earth is given unto me,” then it follows that by virtue of your connection with him that you partake of that authority. I would say, use it. Use it like you standing in a boxing ring that you dominate. This is the armor of God of which Paul spoke (Eph 6): your will armed with Divine authority. Fight!

Another path to approach this is the occult path. This does not have to contradict what I wrote. Don’t believe any silly movies you see about the occult: in the Middle Ages & the Renaissance the real magicians did not make pacts with devils, they used the power of God to control them and make them do good things. All of this Satanism is modern. There are many techniques you can learn and practice that will help you take control of your space and to develop any latent talents you possess.

I’m confident that, however you decide to approach this, you will resolve the issue and find peace. Think about it and when your conscience is settled let us know.

[DawningSun777]

It all started months ago with a voice, At first I would only hear when i was alone in the quiet it was a faint whisper calling my name it was always so low that i could just about hear, and I would get this strong physical reaction when I would hear it so I know I wasn't imagining it.

How exactly does a strong physical reaction prove that you were not imagining it? I am not even sure what physical reaction you are talking about, can you explain further?

After awhile I would hear the voice more an more often and it would whisper whole sentences but i could never make anything out except my name. Eventually i was hearing this voice all the time, and one night out of frustration I spoke back I asked it what it wanted which I know now was a big mistake.

There are plenty of reasons that this could happen. One of the main concerns, of course, is some sort of mental illness. However, our mind plays games on us all the time with or without mental illness. While it is something to get checked out when hearing voices, it can also be something like confirmation bias caused by your beliefs and a tendency to hear voices in certain states just like others tend to see non-existent shadows in the dark. Really it is a trick of the mind but it can end up being terrifying.

That very night I had a horrible dream that I was being chased by something and wokeup in a cold sweat it was the last time i would sleep for awhile. I started having horrible dreams I would wake up to the realization that i wasn't breathing sometimes i would even wake up in mid struggle as though i was fighting with someone.

Nightmares can go along with both the confirmation bias and mental illness theories. I know that with my mental health issues (depression, possible bipolar) I always get nightmares. Plus, the two are not mutually exlusive; we dream of things in our minds, nightmares tend to be about things we, personally, are afraid of. By this point you were obviously afraid of this entity you believed to be around, and you seem to think it is something along the lines of a demon, so the nightmare are expected.

Then it got worse as I would lay down to sleep I would here voices growl, scratches on the wall, doors slamming, foot steps walking all around my bed, I started to feel a very dark presence then out of the corner of my eye i would see a shadow. Sometimes as i was drifting off I would feel something crawling into my bed, and climbing onto my back. Other times as I would begin to drift off it would as if there was something waking me up deliberately like something didn't want me sleeping.

Confirmation bias + hypnagogic hallucinations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

I didn't sleep for two full weeks I was falling apart my mother even took me to a doctor for sleep apnea. I finally accepted that someother force was at work and i was completely and utterly terrified. I was born into an Irish catholic family none of us go to church anymore, and up until now my faith was shakey at best, but we are a superstitious bunch. I would cover my room in salt and pray constantly it seemed like things would calm down for a little then come back. After awhile I realised my fear was feeding this I was instructed to pray psalms and to invision that I was praying at what ever this entity was, and whatever happens dont stop dont let the fear win.

Supports confirmation bias. Whether or not you are practicing, the religion you are raised with stays with you, and yours supports things such as demons. The fact that doing superstitious things seems to help even a little further supports this. Once you accept that what is happening is some supernatural force it will become even more powerful, as you have given something created by the mind power greater than you believe the mind has. As for sleep apnea, there are many other things that need to be looked into when having nightmare, insomnia, and hallucinations. In fact, all these things just make the others worse. Nightmares lead to insomnia, insomnia leads to worse hallucinations, and the hallucinations lead to worse nightmares when you actually do sleep.

As for the rest of the post, it would just be repetitive for me to keep quoting and explaining. The intense experience you had with Jesus is like the icing on the cake for a belief induced episode (have I overused the term "confirmation bias" yet?). Especially considering you are already having sleep and exhaustion issues, such an intense experience is not very surprising to me. There are many things you need to look into, but first you need to accept that there is a natural cause for the experiences and gain some control back. Thanks to the power of belief, once we start saying something is caused by the supernatural it becomes exponentially harder to deal with because the individual beliefs they are helpless against it. So my first recommendation is skepticism. Second is to see a doctor. First of all, taking a long time to fall asleep or not sleeping well is, by definition, insomnia and you should see if any other causes are behind them. You can also take something natural like Valerian Root to help relax and sleep. On top of this do another sleep study test. I am not sure how old you are, but perhaps adult asthma explains enough of it? If you cannot find answers there see a head shrinker, perhaps medication will help. Again not knowing your age, but if you are in your late teens to early twenties it is extremely important to look into schizophrenia.

Good luck to you!

[frankyBoy]

Dear Herocomplex, i am very sorry for what has happened to you, i somewhat know the feeling of dread and helplessness associated with it, it is not like you can go to a doctor and get cured from this, but more on this later


Real power and protection comes from one source, and that is the of the God judeo-christian traditions, what you went through is a spiritual battle, amazingly the divine led you to the most powerful weapon against satanic forces, and that is prayer, and specifically the prayer of psalms

i do not know why you were singled out, did you work on anything occult, that is usually how these things start, but sometimes they just happen for no apparent reason "to us at least"

this is what you absolutely must do, you must allocate at least an hour in the morning and an hour at night for prayer, research the psalms to find the best suited ones for spiritual warfare, from the top of my head 51 and 91 are very powerful, pick at least 5 psalms, you will recite them 3 or 7 or 9 times every morning and every night, between every psalm and the other pray to St Michael, here is a link: http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/prayers/michael.htm

start your session with ten Hail Marys, and one heavenly father, the apostles creed once, and then start with the psalms and St Michael's prayer, first thing in the morning and last thing before sleep, this will be a lifelong thing for you, but it will be all worth it, trust me, now let me explain some things, the reason you feel "weird" is because there is a veil that separates us from the other side so that we don't see or feel the entities lurking there, there are certain ways in which this veil can be broken, what happened with you is one of them, now you are a lot more sensitive to things on the astral plain than the average person, this in turn attracts a lot of things towards you, your daily routine prayer which i gave you will attract beings of light, and most importantly it will change the physical composition of your astral body, after less than a week you will start to emanate light, a divine light, not the sort of light that we humans can see, but the sort of light that shines out of your astral body and covers your immediate area in the astral plain, you will notice that people will start to look at you differently, they will be drawn to you, even like you for reasons they cannot explain, another thing this light will do is that it will repel any nasties from the other side and push them away from you, within a short time this light will become so powerful that many aspects of your life will change for the better, this light is incredibly painful to evil and unholy spirits, they cannot bare it, they will never come near you again.

A confession and a sacrament weekly are important, holy water from the church is effective, and a general blessing by a catholic priest for the entire house is a must

i promise you it will get better, a lot better, just hang in there, and remember your only salvation is through God and your faith, the one and only God best described by the judeo-christian traditions, DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING OCCULT RELATED TO TRY AND SOLVE THIS, AND DO NOT DEVIATE FROM CATHOLIC AND CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, THE RESULTS WILL BE CATASTROPHIC TO YOU, feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need

[hobotubbie]

In this kind of case and this being the internet, which means we don't have a real grasp of what is happening and only have a very general account of what you've been thro.. we can't really dismiss the mental issue.. so doing all the exams necessary to check if something is wrong with you physically is essential.

I'm not dismissing the spiritual issue aswell, but it's quite hard to be precise without knowing the whole situation, and people tend not to want to influence others into something without being sure.

Can you share what the voice used to say to you?

On a curious note, were you boxing professionally? Bernard hopkings fight @26 who wins? =)

[Nahemah]

i promise you it will get better, a lot better, just hang in there, and remember your only salvation is through God and your faith, the one and only God best described by the judeo-christian traditions, DO NOT ATTEMPT ANYTHING OCCULT RELATED TO TRY AND SOLVE THIS, AND DO NOT DEVIATE FROM CATHOLIC AND CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES, THE RESULTS WILL BE CATASTROPHIC TO YOU, feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need

Err..yeh.Good one.

You are aware you are posing on an OCCULT forum...right?

Admin hat on [gz] :

This poster is not going to be answering any Pm's as they are no longer welcome here.End of.

Preaching and prosletysing is not encouraged here and this above is a great example of exactly the sort of material that results in an automatic ban.



Don't go into the light,whatever else you do. [grin2]

Seriously,good advice other than one persons,Ahem.Listen and act and come back to discuss further options later,by all means.

Herocomplex,I wish you well and please don't be put off by the necessary disruption to your thread.And sorry for that. [cool]

[franky boy1]

Err..yeh.Good one.

You are aware you are posing on an OCCULT forum...right?

Admin hat on [gz] :

This poster is not going to be answering any Pm's as they are no longer welcome here.End of.

Preaching and prosletysing is not encouraged here and this above is a great example of exactly the sort of material that results in an automatic ban.



Seriously,good advice other than one persons,Ahem.Listen and act and come back to discuss further options later,by all means.

Herocomplex,I wish you well and please don't be put off by the necessary disruption to your thread.And sorry for that. [cool]

Nahemah, your ignorance and prejudice are showing, if you think what i told him to do is different in principle than any occult invocation then you are dumber than i thought, and that is pretty dumb, but anyone who has any knowledge in demonic possession knows that the most effective system to deal with such a problem is the Christian system of belief, add to that the he won his first battle while reading the psalms, plus God in the Christian belief system appeared to him in the form of Jesus, so yes it is safe to say that in this particular instance, the use of any occult work or praying to any deity from other belief systems will be detrimental to him, when someone has alcohol poising you don't prescribe more alcohol to them, and unlike you i am talking from a very long experience and hundreds of other cases that i helped, while you are spouting shit out of your ass, so next time think before you put your admin hat on and make rash judgements that will make you look like an ass hat

[hobotubbie]

damn.. i was going to give a bit of criticism to your first reply franky boy but i thought i souldn't judge others so i edited and cut.

But i just wanna say that your extremist and judgemental behaviour is very common amongst your peers.. and it's probably one of the reasons people are moving away from your religion.. you should go read the words of your saviour jesus again and then think about what you are writting.

[Myrkkal]

Bad Nahemah!! [eg]

Whats that 'Christian spamming with big letters'-thing anyway? A trend, or is it the same person I keep seeing regularly? But anyway, I'm sure anybody that asks for help in a bloody Occult forum are looking for JESUS IS THE ANSWER!!! type stuff, they just didn't realize it until they saw it, and now they will be all "WOW WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THIS!!! I WILL BE SAVED AND THIS WILL BE THE ANSWERS TO ALL MY TROUBLES!!" I'm seriously worried this is the actual reason for spamming here, yes. Its the sort of thing they tell aspiring religious fanatics about, how they saved somebody from the very maw of hell by posting in some occult forum full of lost souls, at just the right time to save one of them! And some are stupid enough to buy it, of course. To the rest of the world it simply looks like trolling, and quite unoriginal and boring at that.. try some graphic descriptions of the torments of hell next time and I might bother reading it.

[Nahemah]

Hello Herocomplex,

I’m sorry to read about this incident that has troubled you. It’s hard to narrow down exactly what this entity may be since there are several possibilities. I would not jump to any conclusions, like it is a classical demon, because if this generates fear in you it may empower something that it not all it puffing itself up to be. There is even an off possibility that it is not negative in itself but that the dynamic of the encounter caused these problems. You said you boxed competitively, I also practice martial arts and you know how important it is to maintain an inner calm. Try and find that right now. Even if it is only a second every minute it will build and become stronger. One way or another, this issue will be resolved. You have more power that you think so do not resolve yourself to simply living with something as its victim. Throw superstition in the trash can.

How this will be resolved will depend upon another choice you make. It seems you are at a fork in the road of your own spirituality. Down one path these incidents may move you to develop a deeper connection to Christianity and the Catholic Church. This is the strictly religious path. I don’t think it is crazy that you would see Jesus at all and if you turned to him and the Bible for refuge then there is great power in that connection. So, build that connection. Would the Blessed Virgin Mary turn a deaf ear to you just because you didn’t go to church? Ask her help. Do you think the Archangel Michael only fulfills his task of rolling back evil for the saints? They don’t need his help, you do. Ask him. Christ said in Matthew 28:18 that “All authority in Heaven and earth is given unto me,” then it follows that by virtue of your connection with him that you partake of that authority. I would say, use it. Use it like you standing in a boxing ring that you dominate. This is the armor of God of which Paul spoke (Eph 6): your will armed with Divine authority. Fight!

Another path to approach this is the occult path. This does not have to contradict what I wrote. Don’t believe any silly movies you see about the occult: in the Middle Ages & the Renaissance the real magicians did not make pacts with devils, they used the power of God to control them and make them do good things. All of this Satanism is modern. There are many techniques you can learn and practice that will help you take control of your space and to develop any latent talents you possess.

I’m confident that, however you decide to approach this, you will resolve the issue and find peace. Think about it and when your conscience is settled let us know.

This x 1000.

This bit especially:

I don’t think it is crazy that you would see Jesus at all and if you turned to him and the Bible for refuge then there is great power in that connection. So, build that connection. Would the Blessed Virgin Mary turn a deaf ear to you just because you didn’t go to church? Ask her help. Do you think the Archangel Michael only fulfills his task of rolling back evil for the saints? They don’t need his help, you do. Ask him. Christ said in Matthew 28:18 that “All authority in Heaven and earth is given unto me,” then it follows that by virtue of your connection with him that you partake of that authority. I would say, use it. Use it like you standing in a boxing ring that you dominate. This is the armor of God of which Paul spoke (Eph 6): your will armed with Divine authority. Fight!

The above post is a great example of how you write back to an anxious Christian person experiencing events they don't understand fully,who has taken the time and made the effort to come here and ask us.

All readers please notice that I made no challenges to Asurendra's post at all. [and yet it's written from/to a Christian perspective...]

I think it's very well written,compassionate and articulate and I also agree that Michael would be a most helpful Ally in the OP's hour of need. [thumbup]

But,maybe that is just my 'ignorance' showing?

Anyway,at the risk of being an Asshat again,lol [rolleyes] ...I'll leave the franky boy1 account open and active,as long as there are no more sermons issued from it.
It may be wise to think a bit more in future about your target aúdience,before you attempt to prosleytise on an Occult forum,about the dangers of Occultism. [thumbup]

[DawningSun777]

Please don't ban Franky, ai haven't laughed that hard in a long time. We all take ourselves pretty seriously in the occult, we need a class clown.

[franky boy1]

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Asurendra]

Regarding Frankboy, I have to say that I support absolute and free speech as ... an American. *** Giant stars-and-stripes waves with fireworks; Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson in sunglasses flash gang signs as statue of liberty dances the monkey.*** But, the flip-side of that for Frankyboy is that others have the same right and he would have to be ready to deal with it. It could get real rough, but, that's the price! That's the problem: everyone wants to be free themselves but doesn't want to tolerate others' freedom when they don't happen to like how it's expressed.

I would like to make a comment about this mention of confirmation bias made by DawningSun777. The problem with this technique of analysis is that it is logically flawed. No human is a thinking machine. If one argues that a set of experiences are purely internal, psychological phenomena then the person making the argument will have their own confirmation bias which will lead them to supports their own reductionist world view. So, the confirmation bias is itself reducible to a confirmation bias and hence, by its own standards, invalid. This is merely a rhetorical tool dressed in psychology. I am not saying occult experiences are always generated by external sources because that would be falling into the same trap. Yes, they are in our head but you have have no idea just how big your head really is! They simply have to be approached like anything else in life.

[DawningSun777]

I would like to make a comment about this mention of confirmation bias made by DawningSun777. The problem with this technique of analysis is that it is logically flawed. No human is a thinking machine. If one argues that a set of experiences are purely internal, psychological phenomena then the person making the argument will have their own confirmation bias which will lead them to supports their own reductionist world view. So, the confirmation bias is itself reducible to a confirmation bias and hence, by its own standards, invalid. This is merely a rhetorical tool dressed in psychology. I am not saying occult experiences are always generated by external sources because that would be falling into the same trap. Yes, they are in our head but you have have no idea just how big your head really is! They simply have to be approached like anything else in life.

It is far from logically flawed, and your argument has supported it. If one were to say that confirmation bias is the whole of experience then yes, that would be a silly argument. This would be arguing that experiences are purely internal, which is obviously false. It is widely recognized that external factors have great influence on individuals. However, this does not contradict confirmation bias. If we induce mystical experiences in 5 individuals, they will interpret it in accordance with what they believe to be true. The Christian saw Jesus, the mystic was One with the All, etc. To point out that someone who uses confirmation bias has a confirmation bias is redundant and in no way contradictory, as everyone is bound to the bias. To call it a rhetorical tool dressed in psychology is to pretty much stand up and announce "I have no idea how the human mind works".

Psychology 101 is taught at every community college I know of, affordable too.

[Asurendra]

Confirmation bias is the belief that people basically will see the facts which tend to confirm their preconceived notions. She uses this to tell Herocomplex that he did not see Jesus because that is who he would expect to see and what is actually happening to him is some type of an abnormal psychological event. "Really it is a trick of the mind," she wrote. Unfortunately, this is simply nothing more than an expression of her own confirmation bias towards psychological reductionism: “I am of the psychological school of magick, I believe it is mental, not that it involves the supernatural.” (This quote is in her first post.) If Herocomplex's confirmation bias undermines his assertions (as she claimed), then it follows that her own confirmation bias undermines her statements.

It is possible that what is happening to Herocomplex is an internal, psychological event. That should always be considered, even by ourselves when reflecting on our own experiences. But, there are other possibilities as well. None of us on the Forum are in a place to investigate this situation to reach a firm conclusion. That is a scientific approach as opposed to a dogmatic approach (like Fundamentalist Christians) based upon unproven metaphysical assumptions spiced with a rather bland argumentum ad hominem.

[franky boy1]

It is far from logically flawed, and your argument has supported it. If one were to say that confirmation bias is the whole of experience then yes, that would be a silly argument. This would be arguing that experiences are purely internal, which is obviously false. It is widely recognized that external factors have great influence on individuals. However, this does not contradict confirmation bias. If we induce mystical experiences in 5 individuals, they will interpret it in accordance with what they believe to be true. The Christian saw Jesus, the mystic was One with the All, etc. To point out that someone who uses confirmation bias has a confirmation bias is redundant and in no way contradictory, as everyone is bound to the bias. To call it a rhetorical tool dressed in psychology is to pretty much stand up and announce "I have no idea how the human mind works".

Psychology 101 is taught at every community college I know of, affordable too.

Lol, and you want me to be the class clown, at least i believe in the occults and their effects and the existence of other unseen intelligent entities, while you pretty much just called every member in here a diluted idiot with little education...and then i get banned, oh the irony

[Asurendra]

Franky Boy 1,

Remember ...

Matthew 18:21,22

Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven."


Luke 6:37

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven"

But you are CORRECT in saying she did directly say that most of the people on the Forum are deluded. But, we're tolerant of True Believers .

[Herocomplex]

First off I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to reply. I understand why my mental health was called into question let me clear a few up things. I'm sure my post made me seem like a rambling idiot, but in my family i'm the one who protects people so being in a situation where I couldn't fight back was very frightening. I'm not crazy I know what mental illness is I grew up around it, and I understand confirmation bias. It's not as if when this started to happen I said well im catholic this must be a demon, up until recently things like this didn't exist. I grow up in south phill in my world monsters didn't live under the bed they slept in the next room. I saw doctors three of them actually it really took a long time to admit to myself what was happening. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, but im not crazy this is real.

I wasn't dabbiling with anthing occult I just started hearing a voice, As far as what the voice was saying I could never fully make it out it's always just above a whisper the only thing i can make out is my name. When i hear it almost fells like a static shock runs through me the hair on the back of my neck stands up.

I wasn't pro but i sparred with alot of them and was planning on turning pro but life got in the way as far as hopkins goes I used to spar with his nephew demitrius i'll never bet against bernard I don't care if he's 60 with two torn rotator cuffs as far as sweet science goes he's got Phd.

[Herocomplex]

I wanted to ask I spoke to someone about this before a friend of a friend who is a Catholic brother on his way to being a priest. I didn't mention that anything was happening to me cause I still felt wierd about admiting it, but we talked about demons. He told me that possession happens in stages and that the first stages is about wearing you down mentally and spiritually we also talked about something called demonic obession does any of this sound familiar?

[franky boy1]

I wanted to ask I spoke to someone about this before a friend of a friend who is a Catholic brother on his way to being a priest. I didn't mention that anything was happening to me cause I still felt wierd about admiting it, but we talked about demons. He told me that possession happens in stages and that the first stages is about wearing you down mentally and spiritually we also talked about something called demonic obession does any of this sound familiar?

Yes it sounds very familiar, and it is not likely to stop on its own, if you follow the regiment i detailed above then you will surely prevail, and as a sided bonus you will most probably develop supernatural talents, the veil is half broken, and drawing the divine light into yourself through what i told you will carry with it many other gifts beside the invincible protection, but you must do it every day, don't skip a single day, if you need more help feel free to PM me

[Myrkkal]

I wanted to ask I spoke to someone about this before a friend of a friend who is a Catholic brother on his way to being a priest. I didn't mention that anything was happening to me cause I still felt wierd about admiting it, but we talked about demons. He told me that possession happens in stages and that the first stages is about wearing you down mentally and spiritually we also talked about something called demonic obession does any of this sound familiar?

Yes it sounds very familiar, and it is not likely to stop on its own, if you follow the regiment i detailed above then you will surely prevail, and as a sided bonus you will most probably develop supernatural talents, the veil is half broken, and drawing the divine light into yourself through what i told you will carry with it many other gifts beside the invincible protection, but you must do it every day, don't skip a single day, if you need more help feel free to PM me

From pushing Jesus to promising 'supernatural talents"? Are we getting desperate in our little salvation attempts? I'd be very suspicious about taking advice from somebody selling themselves this much.

[DawningSun777]

Confirmation bias is the belief that people basically will see the facts which tend to confirm their preconceived notions. She uses this to tell Herocomplex that he did not see Jesus because that is who he would expect to see and what is actually happening to him is some type of an abnormal psychological event. "Really it is a trick of the mind," she wrote. Unfortunately, this is simply nothing more than an expression of her own confirmation bias towards psychological reductionism: “I am of the psychological school of magick, I believe it is mental, not that it involves the supernatural.” (This quote is in her first post.) If Herocomplex's confirmation bias undermines his assertions (as she claimed), then it follows that her own confirmation bias undermines her statements.

It is possible that what is happening to Herocomplex is an internal, psychological event. That should always be considered, even by ourselves when reflecting on our own experiences. But, there are other possibilities as well. None of us on the Forum are in a place to investigate this situation to reach a firm conclusion. That is a scientific approach as opposed to a dogmatic approach (like Fundamentalist Christians) based upon unproven metaphysical assumptions spiced with a rather bland argumentum ad hominem.

If we assume it is external, then many spiritual paths contradict and therefore cannot all be true. Considering Christianity is intensely logically flawed I would not think it the true objective path, actually I doubt any religion is the true path. So, even if he is experiencing something, confirmation bias would lead him to believe it fits into a Christian world view. You aren't going to disprove psychology.

As for being of the psychological school, you need to go in order. I did not choose the school then form my opinions, I decided (or accepted) the school was true based on logic, science, and evidence. I believe there is a Nobel Prize awaiting those who prove the supernatural exists? If you have this evidence it is as close to a sin as one can come to not help educate the world.

Also, I am male.....

[franky boy1]

I wanted to ask I spoke to someone about this before a friend of a friend who is a Catholic brother on his way to being a priest. I didn't mention that anything was happening to me cause I still felt wierd about admiting it, but we talked about demons. He told me that possession happens in stages and that the first stages is about wearing you down mentally and spiritually we also talked about something called demonic obession does any of this sound familiar?

Yes it sounds very familiar, and it is not likely to stop on its own, if you follow the regiment i detailed above then you will surely prevail, and as a sided bonus you will most probably develop supernatural talents, the veil is half broken, and drawing the divine light into yourself through what i told you will carry with it many other gifts beside the invincible protection, but you must do it every day, don't skip a single day, if you need more help feel free to PM me

From pushing Jesus to promising 'supernatural talents"? Are we getting desperate in our little salvation attempts? I'd be very suspicious about taking advice from somebody selling themselves this much.

I am a practicing occultists, also i am a Christian, I walk a very fine line trying to balance both, but i have never had any interest in saving souls or spreading Christianity, as a matter of fact i am strongly opposed to the preaching ways of many churches today, the way i see it, its the 21 century and i am not going to babysit anyone through Sunday school, believe it or not many Muslim people come and ask me questions about Christianity "which i know the full answer to" i would usually refer them to the internet with apparent dis-interest, it is each and everyone's own responsibility to find out the truth and what is best for their souls, not mine, their responsibility, so let me say it again in a way that someone as ignorant and dumb like you can understand, when casting a love spill to enslave someone with burning desire for the purpose of fornicating with that person, then you'd be better off contracting the service of some demon "at your own risk", when asking for money, wealth and success, then the best thing is to invoke the angels with ruler-ship over such matters "the easiest way is to check for planetary correspondences and aspects and see which angels are assigned to it", NOW when fighting demons then your only option would be to invoke the power of the Christian belief system, i challenge you to give any other viable way to fight demons, there are none, i live in a country where Christians are a very small minority, between Muslims, Jews, Hindus...also different systems of very potent magick are practiced all over the country, real stuff that will scare you shitless, and not the self help hypnotism of the western occult systems, and there is one thing you can always count on, when any of those people from other belief systems have a case of true possession, they will always end up coming to the church to ask for help, maybe right away, maybe after exhausting all other options, but either way in the end they will end up asking for the church's help and that is where the issue will be finally solved.

i did not tell herocomplex to focus on the psalms, St Michael and the Christian Catholic religion because i am trying to sneak him into Christianity, i did it because it is the best and only solution in his case

i hope you understand this now, if you do then good for [thumbup] , if you don't, then go fuck yourself either way i don't care [cool]

[franky boy1]

If we assume it is external, then many spiritual paths contradict and therefore cannot all be true. Considering Christianity is intensely logically flawed I would not think it the true objective path, actually I doubt any religion is the true path. So, even if he is experiencing something, confirmation bias would lead him to believe it fits into a Christian world view. You aren't going to disprove psychology.

As for being of the psychological school, you need to go in order. I did not choose the school then form my opinions, I decided (or accepted) the school was true based on logic, science, and evidence. I believe there is a Nobel Prize awaiting those who prove the supernatural exists? If you have this evidence it is as close to a sin as one can come to not help educate the world.

Also, I am male.....

if you are a male then stop harping like a little bitch and give it a rest, it's been established that you are a fool, no one cares what you think anymore

[Myrkkal]

Why am I not surprised only Frankyboy knows what the "real stuff" is? I understand perfectly thanks to his own description and how he tries hard to sound superior, I am now picturing him in some third-world country he has complexes about living in and where he is sure nobody else is from, so he can describe it in any way he wants and think we will believe him. You forgot the mysterious 'native religion', though... you can probably find some horror film about it for inspiration about how that is OMG REALLER THAN WHAT YOU DO!!! and make a post about that too. I for one would love to hear more about the amazing country where everybody are great magicians and then run bawling to the catholic church when things get ugly. And please include graphic details about headshrinking or other interesting practices, the catholic stuff is boring.. we saw 'The Exorcist' too many times already.