Need some help understanding whats happening to me

[Asurendra]

Herocomplex,

I wish you luck and hope you can resolve this issue, whatever it may be.

DawingSun777',

The problem is looking at these matters on paper. As set of outlines the dogmas of human religions are mutually contradictory. The conclusions drawn from this is that what they represent is inherently unreal. This is far too narrow a universe of possibilities. All of these doctrines are artificial constructs which have been modified based on committees over time. In themselves, none are metaphysically true. To take it further, no human construct is perfectly sound itself because of our limitations. (That includes Materialism which has failed to explain human consciousness, to take one example.) But that does not matter to the Devas. Of course they will communicate with man in a manner that is understood. It's the same as my post to Herocomplex where I am speaking in a manner that relates to him. But, within that is coded deeper information: banishing.
Regarding your question about evidence, there are a number of techniques which exist and I have often cited them on various threads. It is experience that matters and this is accessible.

On the faith of Materialism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_F4nOKDSM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc44f_3QfwE

Franky Boy 1,

If these people have a negative view of Christ because of your words, what will he say to you about that?

[DawningSun777]

Ah the argument against physicalist views of consciousness :

"Even though every tiny little shred of evidence suggests consciousness is physical, we don't have the whole picture (mostly due to a current lack of technology) so obviously consciousness is supernatural / uncaused / magical."

Yawn

[Asurendra]

If these are the conclusions you have reached then I hope you find peace there. The Supreme Lord is there as well.

[Vovi]

LBRP and the kabalistic cross all the way. Also learn some psychic self defence to help.

[franky boy1]

Why am I not surprised only Frankyboy knows what the "real stuff" is? I understand perfectly thanks to his own description and how he tries hard to sound superior, I am now picturing him in some third-world country he has complexes about living in and where he is sure nobody else is from, so he can describe it in any way he wants and think we will believe him. You forgot the mysterious 'native religion', though... you can probably find some horror film about it for inspiration about how that is OMG REALLER THAN WHAT YOU DO!!! and make a post about that too. I for one would love to hear more about the amazing country where everybody are great magicians and then run bawling to the catholic church when things get ugly. And please include graphic details about headshrinking or other interesting practices, the catholic stuff is boring.. we saw 'The Exorcist' too many times already.

nice...when you have nothing smart to say or a good logical retort then resort to personal attack emphasizing cultural and social differences with subtle "or not so subtle" racial and religious bigotry... i see that grade school has taught you will, come back to me when you're done with puberty

[Asurendra]

Franky boy1,

If these people form a negative opinion about Christianity because of your words here, what will Jesus say to you when you stand before his judgement seat? Isn't 'forbearance' one of the fruits of the spirit? (Galatians 5:22-23)

[Myrkkal]

Why am I not surprised only Frankyboy knows what the "real stuff" is? I understand perfectly thanks to his own description and how he tries hard to sound superior, I am now picturing him in some third-world country he has complexes about living in and where he is sure nobody else is from, so he can describe it in any way he wants and think we will believe him. You forgot the mysterious 'native religion', though... you can probably find some horror film about it for inspiration about how that is OMG REALLER THAN WHAT YOU DO!!! and make a post about that too. I for one would love to hear more about the amazing country where everybody are great magicians and then run bawling to the catholic church when things get ugly. And please include graphic details about headshrinking or other interesting practices, the catholic stuff is boring.. we saw 'The Exorcist' too many times already.

nice...when you have nothing smart to say or a good logical retort then resort to personal attack emphasizing cultural and social differences with subtle "or not so subtle" racial and religious bigotry... i see that grade school has taught you will, come back to me when you're done with puberty

When somebody repeatedly tells the ones trying to discuss to shut up or fuck off or other mature things like that, (yes, I read how you reply to others) I stop taking them seriously. You won't get any 'good logical retorts' if you just try to insult people instead of discussing, and since I think you might be aware of this, I don't think you are here to discuss at all, merely to preach at us.

Interesting, I'm being critical of how YOU describe your country and you go right off and read your complexes into it.. nice way of illustrating what I said. I knew you would do that, though. But maybe it helps, some might be nicer to you when they understand that the reason you boast and claim big things are that you feel like nothing, and is trying to be something special in an online forum. I see you keep referring to others' age, is this important to you? And since you put the estimated age relatively low, could it be that you aren't that old yourself, but really feel old and wise?

Also you should take the time to answer Asurendra, he is a much nicer person than me and he has a good point.. you are giving Christians a bad name to look good yourself, is that in line with their teachings?

[franky boy1]

Franky boy1,

If these people form a negative opinion about Christianity because of your words here, what will Jesus say to you when you stand before his judgement seat? Isn't 'forbearance' one of the fruits of the spirit? (Galatians 5:22-23)

i think their minds were made up a long time ago about Christianity, notice that all i did is mention Christianity once to herocomplex and that had them frothing at the mouth, it really kills them that Christianity and its belief system is the most effective system to use in this case, actually this whole post is a good example of bulling, expect i am not easily bullied, but you are correct, i see no benefit from continuing the arguments with any of them, so i will not be replying to them anymore

[Myrkkal]

I don't think anybody feels especially killed by Christianity, what you are seeing are people tired of its more fanatic followers preaching the same "WE ARE THE ONLY RIGHT WAY"-shit over and over, and on top of that going out of their way to finding the places its the least wanted... like you did. You went to a bloody occult forum and got banned after your first post for good reasons, make a new account to continue in the same style, and then you are whining about being bullied? I'm sure you get lots of sympathy, especially seeing how you respond to others yourself.

How do you think about this yourself? That there is no need for you to show any kind of respect to the nasty occultists since they will hate on you for being Christian anyway? Did you ever hear about self-fulfilling prophecies?

[Herocomplex]

All fanaticalism aside i just wanna understand whats going on I feel like im knee deep in a world I don't understand anyway I looked up the LBRP what i'm wondering is what exactly is being invocated or prayed to when doing this it's not something they can back fire and bring more harmful entites? is it as far as spiritual protection goes does salt work? I was also told to nail iron nails into my door frame will any of this work?

[Asurendra]

We have our running debates between Rationalists (DawningSun777, with his pre-Kantian & Newtonian world view) vs. Idealists (myself) and Evangelical Protestants (Frank Boy1) vs. everybody. These things are almost caricatures of themselves so pay them no mind.

You might remember that I wrote, "Christ said in Matthew 28:18 that “All authority in Heaven and earth is given unto me,” then it follows that by virtue of your connection with him that you partake of that authority. I would say, use it. Use it like you standing in a boxing ring that you dominate. This is the armor of God of which Paul spoke (Eph 6): your will armed with Divine authority. Fight!" The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is the ritual expression of the principle here. You are drawing upon the power of the Divine and angelic names. This flows down thru you and outward. The reason for the pentagram is nothing sinister (you have to get what you have seen in films out of your mind) but because it represents the four symbolic Elements of which the universe is composed. These are the modes thru which the Divine works in creation.

You asked if it can bring more harmful entities. No more so than the sign of the Cross or holy water. Each pentagram is infused with a name of God and the power of an archangel. Personally, I would trust that more than old wives' tales about iron.

Pray about this and ask Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary to guide you. Remember, even if you follow an occult path it will always be just a different expression of your core religious beliefs. They should be strong.

[DawningSun777]

We have our running debates between Rationalists (DawningSun777, with his pre-Kantian & Newtonian world view)

I'm not even sure what these mean, let's go with an objectivist, rationalist, psychologist, and/or skeptic.

[Nahemah]

Herocomplex: You've seen three doctors,were any of them sleep disorder specialists?

Sleep apnoea is not the only criteria for diagnosing sleep disorders,though it is a well known primary/major factor in diagnosing the physiological origins for the condition.
The reason this is a primary concern is because it can be dangerous to life and limb,in it's more extreme forms,especially if left undiagnosed and treated.
It's great not to have it,it really is [grin] [thumbup] but it dosen't mean you are not experiencing other or related sleep paralysis/parasomnic events.

I also want to make sure you know that sleep paralysis/Hypnagogia is not a mental illness and I think there has been some confusion on this in the topic,so lets clear that up too. [thumbup]

Like you,I grew up around others with mental health issues and I know that this in itself is often a big part of the pattern for developing sleep disorders.One thing that plays into that : It's very hard to rest properly around disturbed people who don't keep regular hours and who behave erratically and sometimes violently,shall we say,for no apparent reason,often in the middle of the night and so on...

One can get used to light sleeping and staying liminal between consciousness and deep sleep out of necessity and it often dosen't manifest major problems for quite some time,if it develops as a coping mechanism.

The symptoms and events you described are very much related to parasomnias and it sounds to me like you've experienced intermittent night terrors along with the paralysis events.

I have these parasomnias myself and they've basically been with me since I was very little.My mother experienced them too as do three of my children,on into adulthood and my mother was convinced it was the work of Satan and she was terrified over it,but it really wasn't.

I can assure you it wasn't Satan or any of his lieutenants either.

No one in my family who has experienced this has went on to full or even partial demonic possessions and we all still suffer from the condition/s,to various degrees.

My son has epilepsy,interestingly enough,a condition which it was not very expedient to suffer from,back in the good old days,as it looks a lot like the classic Abrahamic descriptions of Demonic possession.

Just saying.

A full medical check might be in order again,if you have experienced 'auric vision's in the daytime.when fully awake.So don't completely discount the physicality,until you've checked all the possibilities.

I never bought into the RC faith,personally,despite being indoctrinated from birth so if anyone should've gotten possessed,I guess I'd be the best candidate for my many transgressions and frequent blasphemies.I'm joking around a little here,but I hope you understand why,as I'm also being serious despite that.

There is often a genetic predisposition involved,you can inherit sleep paralysis and other parasomnias/dissomnias.Brain chemistry and hormones,play a big part in this and deficiencies/overabundance can again,be rooted in physiology,i.e. they have recognised medical causes.[more on brain and it's chemistry later though,or this'll be a book,not a post,lol....]

The thing with all this is that SP is a liminal state and it often leads to spontaneous Astral projection/out of body experiences/lucid dreaming.

You can learn through magickal and meditative techniques to control it and work with/through it and I think you should listen to Asurendra on this as he's helping you with Ceremonial magicks which are based around Abrahamic/Christian paradigms.They will be very effective for you and not conflict with any underlying religious beliefs you have.

I think DS777 made some valid points too,but stressed confirmation bias a little too much,as we all perceive through our own Religious/Cultural/Societal lenses and reality tunnels and whether your faith has spooked you or not,the experience can still be utterly terrifying no matter what faith or beliefs or even lack of them altogether,that you follow.

That's all for now.More later.

[Bebopgirlblues]

Have you ever thought about trying to record your claim?

It might sound a little weird to record what is happening to you but with it- we can get a better idea of what is really happening. Another thing- if you are recording and hear something- like the voice- you can check back a few minutes later. Don't keep track of time when you hear the voice- other wise you could project yourself into hearing something that isn't there on the recording. Just calmly listen back- to the recording and don't just assume every little thing is something. The point is to try and write off as much as you can. You hear scratching noises- look for signs of mice. Already being paranoid- you could have started a poltergeist.

The best way to test this- is to find and item.
Find a room that is safe to leave the item in.
Let everyone know NOT to mess with this item and personally
(if I were you, I'd would secretly record the item, in case you are being toyed with. Make sure you place the camera behind the back of the item so the door is in shot JUST in case someone goes in and moves it.)
The item should be something with a flat bottom that can't be knocked over easily-
Place it on the ground and make a circle around it with salt.
Concentrate on the item.
Will yourself to move the item with your mind for about ten minutes.
You need to really desire to move this item- don't go in half ass'ed thinking you can't.
Leave the room and go to sleep.
If it moved- you've got a poltergeist.
If it didn't- you've got something else.

Then you can go off and get real help with real evidence. It's good you are going to the hospital- I'm sorry this is happening to you! [crymore]

[Herocomplex]

Ok guys heres an update.

I began doing the LBRP and honestly I feel alot better, I used to feel sick and worn down all the time now thats gone I also felt like i had something pushing down on me all the time and a constant sense of dread thats gone so thanks alot for suggesting that.

But whatever this entitiy is it's still with me I can still hear it another thing thats happening is whenever the activity starts I get really itchy like all over my body I also get the feeling that something is playing with my hair and touching me. One day I got angry and yelled "Knock it the F off" and it actaully stopped for a second I looked up an saw a quick flash of light now any other time I saw a manifestation it was always a deep black shadow this was alot different just a quick flash of light. I also begin meditating and while I was doing so I could hear a running dialouge from this thing just couldn't understand what was being said is it possible that its a different language? Whatever this thing is I really wanna know I don't know if this thing wants to tell me something or just wants to torture/harm me is there a safe way to communicate with it?

I know some of you are having a hard to believeing me, and it's hard to take my word for it but trust this is real there is something here. I'm going to try an record it the problem is i can't stand silence i need to have tv or music in the backround or im very uncomfortable but i'll try an work it out.

As always any info is greatly appreciated.

[Herocomplex]

Bebopgirlblues-

First off thanks for your reply what exactly is a poltergiest? I didn't know you could start one I just thought that ment ghost? Also did you get your name from Cowboybebop cause thats shows awesome.

[Herocomplex]

Hey guys gotta question and it's gonna sound kinda crazy, but I figure im off the edge of the map now anythings possible, so here goes is there anyway a spirit/entity can try to sexually molest you cause im pretty sure thats what just happened

[Asurendra]

Hello Herocomplex,

It sounds as if there is some progress and that is good. It means the momentum is in the right direction so stay positive. I cannot be online as much for a bit but I wanted to refer you to a work on psychic self defense (you will see it listed) that you can download and read for free from a good author. This will also provide helpful information and guidance. There is no doubt you will overcome this issue.

http://www.heartalchemy.net/Robert_Bruc ... _works.pdf

[Bebopgirlblues]

@ Herocomplex

A poltergeist is a collection of negative emotion. (Most known to happen with teenage girls.) All the stress of school- being popular- boys- girls- "life" etc. What makes a poltergeist so different from a ghost- is that a ghost can be dealt with in many ways. Maybe the ghost died from natural causes BUT was a real dick in life. Sprinkle Holy Water about, maybe even light some sage. A poltergeist doesn't really have a form- it's just a mass of anger or depressed space being taken up in the house. Leaving you more stressed out- causing it to get bigger and more active.

And yes. I got the idea for my name YEARS ago from my love of Cowboybebop. But no one has made the point to ask about it lol, thank you!

And yeah- actually that is possible. Your body is energy and a ghost is energy.

[lostinspace]

I have read your concerns and what everyone has posted on this topic. First I would like to say that everyone who has responded to your post has made pretty valid points and there is definitely more then one way to deal with this situation. But my question is why banish this being when you can use it to accomplish other means? First, conquer this fear that you have for this entity. Know and I mean KNOW that you are the hand of God and it is your will that allows this being to exist on your mental plane. You are it's source of life and you can take that life away if you please. Once you have this mindset you can bend this being to your will. If I was in your situation I would experiment with this entity. For instance you could try binding it to an effigy and controlling it by those means or simply banish it if that's what your will is. There are many things you can do in this situation and with the right ritual you can find this being to be a useful tool. Never doubt yourself and your methods whether it's in prayer or ritual. Doubt breeds failure.

[DawningSun777]

Hey guys gotta question and it's gonna sound kinda crazy, but I figure im off the edge of the map now anythings possible, so here goes is there anyway a spirit/entity can try to sexually molest you cause im pretty sure thats what just happened

No, this didn't just happen to you.

[sonko]

If this is long winded I apologize this is all new to me and a bit overwhelming.

It all started months ago with a voice, At first I would only hear when i was alone in the quiet it was a faint whisper calling my name it was always so low that i could just about hear, and I would get this strong physical reaction when I would hear it so I know I wasn't imagining it. After awhile I would hear the voice more an more often and it would whisper whole sentences but i could never make anything out except my name. Eventually i was hearing this voice all the time, and one night out of frustration I spoke back I asked it what it wanted which I know now was a big mistake.

That very night I had a horrible dream that I was being chased by something and wokeup in a cold sweat it was the last time i would sleep for awhile. I started having horrible dreams I would wake up to the realization that i wasn't breathing sometimes i would even wake up in mid struggle as though i was fighting with someone. Then it got worse as I would lay down to sleep I would here voices growl, scratches on the wall, doors slamming, foot steps walking all around my bed, I started to feel a very dark presence then out of the corner of my eye i would see a shadow. Sometimes as i was drifting off I would feel something crawling into my bed, and climbing onto my back. Other times as I would begin to drift off it would as if there was something waking me up deliberately like something didn't want me sleeping.

I didn't sleep for two full weeks I was falling apart my mother even took me to a doctor for sleep apnea. I finally accepted that someother force was at work and i was completely and utterly terrified. I was born into an Irish catholic family none of us go to church anymore, and up until now my faith was shakey at best, but we are a superstitious bunch. I would cover my room in salt and pray constantly it seemed like things would calm down for a little then come back. After awhile I realised my fear was feeding this I was instructed to pray psalms and to invision that I was praying at what ever this entity was, and whatever happens dont stop dont let the fear win.

So thats what i did i prayed every pslam right from the bible for hours, and things got intense it did everything it usually does and more i was really scared but i didn't stop, and then I heard a voice i couldn't really understand what it said it was very high pitched and it echoed. Then a felling overcame me i can't describe
It was as if something took over my body and i watched as it commandingly read the psalms in a voice not of my own. My whole body began to shake I looked up and saw a figure of Jesus(I know this sounds crazy) and it felt like something got pulled out of me, my mouth opened, and i was screaming at the top of my lunges. Not a human scream but more like a dyeing animal. I live in a house with 4 other people and thin walls nobody woke up. After the screaming stoped I was immeditly in tears, then i slept.

For the next two days I was more tired then I've ever been. I've boxed competitively for 10 years i know what physical exhaustion is this wasnt it. I couldn't even get out of bed i was so tired I stood up an passed out I also had this very strange feeling like everything had a glow to it.

Since then things have gotten stranger(if thats possible) I understand this is something im gonna have to deal with my whole life but i don't know where to go for help. I'm not under attack like I was, but i do believe there are still things around me, I'm having alot of strang exoeriences. I still here the voices and i feel as though theres still something that wants my attention. I'm having dreams about dead people, i'm having premonitions I wake up and I just know something is going to happen and i feel this sort of energy? like people give it off and I think im feeling other peoples emoitons as well, it's all becoming very overwhelming. Also last night i felt a presence in room that felt so oppresive the air was thick it worried me but I actually felt no fear. I could go into more detail but this post is all reay very long i'd like to thank everyone who reads I'm just looking for someone who can give me awnsers or point me in the right direction.

P.S. Forgive all spelling and grammar mistakes im writing this from an ipod.

Hahaha... am sorry to laugh but whatever you want to call that experience but fact that I have seen the same incidents several times, in my culture we call that ghost. Many people call it in different ways but the fact it still torment its victims in the same ways according to what you explained, I think the know methods we normally use will help you but you need to include someone else in this because you can't do it alone.
What you will need is the feathers of chicken, fire and sit in the center of you roam, then someone will have to burn those feathers and command the ghost to either revile itself and say what it wants or to go without coming back. That person must be determined and strong enough to face it because it may not go without giving a fight but in this way it will talk what it needs or leave you for good.

[Asurendra]

Hello Sonko,

Your suggestion is interesting and I'm sure there are many situations where it would be helpful. But, in most residences in the United States and Western Europe burning a pile of chicken feathers in the middle of the room may create more problems than it solves. From my perspective, "determined and strong" are the key beyond a ritual act.

We have not heard from Herocomplex in a while and have no idea what happened. Unfortunately, that is all too common!

[manonthepath]

I wanted to ask I spoke to someone about this before a friend of a friend who is a Catholic brother on his way to being a priest. I didn't mention that anything was happening to me cause I still felt wierd about admiting it, but we talked about demons. He told me that possession happens in stages and that the first stages is about wearing you down mentally and spiritually we also talked about something called demonic obession does any of this sound familiar?

It really seems that you would be best sticking with your priest. Catholicism seems to have brought you to where you are and you still have obvious internal connections with it. Why not talk make an appointment with your local bishop and ask him to put you in touch with a Jesuit with experience in dealing with psychological disorders and demonology. If they laugh in your face and turn you lose, you may then want to re-think your position in the cosmos. You've seen what kind of help you will get on this thread. Try the thing I PMed you. what have you got to lose... oh yeah, you're a Catholic, so I guess its your soul? Seriously, good luck to you bro.