Another Lesser Key Question

[rach84]

This may sound totally dumb, i'm still learning, but can someone call one of the 72 from The Lesser Keys of Solomon to bring help, not for them but for someone they care about, like direct them to go do something?! I have somewhere I was going with this but wanted to find out first if I was even right.

[Urscumug]

Why not? But I suggest you never tell to someone you care about that you've invoked a Duke of Hell and his thousand legions to help him/her unless her/he is comfortable with this dark stuff [rofl]

[rach84]

Then that makes sense... I think my significant other invoked something to help me the other night, since he couldn't be there. They let themselves be known. I heard them bump into some things in my room, and then I felt them touch my stomach. It wasn't a scary touch. Just like someone touching you when you are upset. I had actually got in an accident that night that hurt my stomach... which is where they were touching me. So thats why I wanted to know if it was even possible. He would never tell me he did that. I also seen things out of the corner of my eye.... like they walked past me.

[Asurendra]

Yes, you can get them to do what you want. One of the ways of 'persuading' them to cooperate is to burn their sigil if they do not. So I've heard.

[rach84]

Yes, you can get them to do what you want. One of the ways of 'persuading' them to cooperate is to burn their sigil if they do not. So I've heard.

Yeah I heard you aren't supposed to burn their sigil... I read on this one site that you shouldn't use a circle because they hate that nor should you tell them they may depart because it's disrespectful?! I'm not sure if I fully believe this is a good idea. Because without that circle where is your protection?! Asking them to depart is respectful in my opinion. What's your take?

[Asurendra]

I'm sure the sharks think it is disrespectful for the divers who photograph them to have cages.

[Urscumug]

My main source is J. Petersen's Lemegeton. According to this, you are not supposed to burn the sigil. At the very end of the conjuration process, if the demon still doesn't come you put the sigil into a metal box and threaten the demon with the fire curse. If necessary you put the box on charcoals (lit of course) and the demon is supposed to come because there is no more "if he does not come", and when he comes you quickly remove the box from the fire.

For me the license to depart does not look disrespectful, you mainly thank the demon for his diligence and ask him to leave without harming anyone.

As for the circle, I don't know. Petersen mentions a time when he called a demon with a witness inside the circle with him and another outside with a camera. The external witness could see nothing but the sudden cold breath of the two guys in the circle. The witness in the circle couldn't stop vomiting and was shocked by what he saw. I don't know if the circle is only for protective purpose but I wouldn't conduct this kind of ritual by skipping one of its main paraphernalia.