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Hey, folks! [yay]

Since I just joined, I figured I should tell y'all a little about myself, in hopes of being directed to appropriate topics and sub-topics, as well as to spark conversation with some of the members more knowledgeable than I. So here goes.

I'm 19 years old, a native of a small, artsy port town in Michigan called Bay City. Notable residents include Kevin Cole, the U.S.'s leading George Gershwin interpreter; and Madonna (I'll reserve my opinion of her). I currently live and attend school in St. Paul, MN. I love music, movies, languages, and other cultures. More personal data about me will probably come out in other threads. :P

As for why I'm here; my spiritual path. Concerning creation, I'm an igtheist and an apatheist. "God" hasn't been defined sufficiently to even be discussed productively, and because of that I won't base my life around any ideas that people claim to have received from any gods. I find it more likely that an alien race created us than any god(s), and most would call me an atheist. I have also called myself variably humanist, freethinker, even anti-theist, but I've changed several times throughout my life in regards to the spiritual/supernatural. I was raised Lutheran, and converted first to the Bahá'i Faith then Buddhism before becoming a deist then an atheist. I've appreciated varying levels of mysticism, particularly during my year (I know, I know...) as a Bahá'i.

After recently coming out of a long-term relationship (for my age, at least -- 2 and 1/2 years), during the start of which I was still a Bahá'i, I realized that I lost the spirituality and groundedness I had while I was single, even though I think I benefited from an increased sense of rationality. So, going back has been exciting for me.

I've been exploring that mystical meeting point between philosophy, psychology, art, and the spirit through the lenses of Jung, Kandinsky, Rimbaud, Scriabin, Dali and other surrealists, dream interpretation (minus the Freud), some Eastern practices, and The Tarot. I just started with the original Waite deck, and I love it -- the imagery, learning the system and using free association -- everything.

If anybody could recommend methods for exploring The Tarot (I'm currently just learning the meanings in my own way, so don't spoil any card meanings!), pieces of art they like, books on philosophy or psychology, etc., that would be wonderful. I mostly like ideas from the end of the Romantic era through Impressionism, Surrealism, Psychedelic Art, etc., to the start of the Digital Age, so from 1870 (maybe 1850) to 1970 (maybe 1980).

As you can tell, my interests are spiritual, historical, artistic, and eclectic. I wouldn't even call them beliefs -- I'm just a seeker. :)


(If you want to hear my particular reasons for holding store in certain things and not others -- I don't do astrology and am skeptical of numerology -- just ask!)


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Hello and welcome to the forum. [cool]
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Hi and welcome.

I read your intro twice and I have no idea why you're posting on an occult forum. Mysticism kinda requires a belief that there's stuff out there. Or is that only and specifically related to the god known as Jehovah? Even with Tarot - there's something behind the cards that makes the divination accurate.

Or maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet.
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RoseRed wrote:Hi and welcome.

I read your intro twice and I have no idea why you're posting on an occult forum. Mysticism kinda requires a belief that there's stuff out there. Or is that only and specifically related to the god known as Jehovah? Even with Tarot - there's something behind the cards that makes the divination accurate.

Or maybe I just haven't had enough coffee yet.
Hi Rose!

Sure, allow me to clarify a bit. Wondering why I'm posting on an occult forum, is dream interpretation and The Tarot (as well as some other interest of mine, such as pendulums, types of meditation, hallucination, psychedelics, etc.) not occult? Maybe I'm not aware of a more technical definition.

Again, mysticism isn't necessarily a belief of mine, more of a fascination, and a tool that I use. I draw inspiration from Abrahamic and Pagan mysticism, and the artists and philosophers who believed it or used it. It's an artistic, emotional, and intellectual journey for me.

I do have beliefs that justify my use of mysticism and The Tarot, including the belief in the Jungian collective unconscious and archetypes, color associations, the mystery of the subconscious mind, etc. I believe that The Tarot may help us tap into subconscious tools, and more concretely can simply help us frame our thinking in regards to a particular question or situation in a way we haven't thought of. I don't think it needs to come from an "outside" power, such as gods, another realm, or aliens. Of course, my beliefs also change constantly. So I'm also here to open myself up to new thinking.

And Rose, there's never enough coffee. :P

Did that help?
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Again, mysticism isn't necessarily a belief of mine, more of a fascination, and a tool that I use. I draw inspiration from Abrahamic and Pagan mysticism, and the artists and philosophers who believed it or used it. It's an artistic, emotional, and intellectual journey for me.

I do have beliefs that justify my use of mysticism and The Tarot, including the belief in the Jungian collective unconscious and archetypes, color associations, the mystery of the subconscious mind, etc. I believe that The Tarot may help us tap into subconscious tools, and more concretely can simply help us frame our thinking in regards to a particular question or situation in a way we haven't thought of. I don't think it needs to come from an "outside" power, such as gods, another realm, or aliens. Of course, my beliefs also change constantly. So I'm also here to open myself up to new thinking.
That's pretty much how I roll with it too.

There is a hugely diverse body of thought and ideas in Occultism and not all spirituality is based/built around religious views of godhead being external,or as greater than the human experience.

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All those things are. I'm gonna with the not enough coffee. LOL And you're right - there never is enough.

I'm familiar with the line of thought that tarot comes from the sub/un-consious. It's not a view I hold but, hey - to each their own.

I think it's very cool that you're open to new things and new ways of thinking.

It's nice to meet you.
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Thanks, both of you! Glad to be here! [gz]
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"Paradox and contradiction are mysteries of the soul. The weird, the uncanny are sources of knowledge. To know the self. . . one must open the heart wide and search every part. This requires facing the unacceptable, the perverse, the strange, even the sick. Without this critical embrace of metaphysical complexity the soul cannot be understood." -bell hooks

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There is an arm coming out of your bubble..... just saying.....

"Ask 3 magicians what magick is and you will get 5 answers." A saying I heard once.
I guess it is pretty much the same with occultism, some seperate it from religion, some combine it, some draw psychology, esoterical stuff and other things into it and so on and so on and so on. Did I already say and so on? So what's the deal? I think pretty much the same way as nahemah explained it.
You could discuss about it or let it be and try to find things in common where you could talk about instead of things which are not in common and why you think yours are true. It is pretty much like this thing with god you talked about.
That is why magick is fun an all the people dealing with it, if they admit it or not, are even funnier to talk to. Even when they are old grumpy hags like this red one above who can´t get enough from coffee [pray]

Anyway, you are in a unique stage of your live. 19 - 20 and so on is a very powerful stage, which you most likely already know when it comes down to your seeking. Use the momentum you can gain in this phase, it really can be inspiring.

Welcome to the club, Dali!

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Thank you, Ramscha!

I'm of course not here mainly to discuss why I believe what I do and disbelieve what I don't, but I figured if people were curious I'd answer.

Thank you for your kind words and open arms.

And yes, there's an arm coming out of my egg and I quite like it that way. [lol]
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Hi Alejandro,

I am also quite new here, although I'm another coffee addicted old hag, as Ramscha would say. I like your worldview and your avatar. Welcome! [yay]
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Muscaria wrote:Hi Alejandro,

I am also quite new here, although I'm another coffee addicted old hag, as Ramscha would say. I like your worldview and your avatar. Welcome! [yay]
Thanks!

I consider myself quite the old man trapped in a 19-year-old body, and love nothing more than a mid-morning cuppa and a pipeful of backy. :P

I've become a huge Dali fan, and really want to read "The Secret Life of Salvador Dali." He seemed like an exceedingly weird fellow. Let's say I attempt to emulate his spirit ("I don't take drugs, I am drugs") without necessarily emulating a lot of his actions (of course, Orwell didn't seem to think Dali an honest man in his autobiography). [clown]

Enjoy your day, whatever time of it you're in (I'm up quite late)!
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"Paradox and contradiction are mysteries of the soul. The weird, the uncanny are sources of knowledge. To know the self. . . one must open the heart wide and search every part. This requires facing the unacceptable, the perverse, the strange, even the sick. Without this critical embrace of metaphysical complexity the soul cannot be understood." -bell hooks

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I've become a huge Dali fan, and really want to read "The Secret Life of Salvador Dali." He seemed like an exceedingly weird fellow. Let's say I attempt to emulate his spirit ("I don't take drugs, I am drugs") without necessarily emulating a lot of his actions (of course, Orwell didn't seem to think Dali an honest man in his autobiography). [clown]
Haven't read the book, but it surely is worth reading... there are so many books and so little time... Dali was not the kind of person you can await being "honest" from, in the sense of being accurate about real facts. Dali was for me something like imagination incarnate, he probably reinvented his own life everyday, which doesn't mean that he wasn't true...

If you like Dali, you probably know Max Ernst? His works are even more inspiring to me.

And now I have to start this f*cking day, it's 9:38 am here and I still sit in my pajamas... [blush] Have a nice day too.
Death:...Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged.
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Death: You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?

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Muscaria wrote:
I've become a huge Dali fan, and really want to read "The Secret Life of Salvador Dali." He seemed like an exceedingly weird fellow. Let's say I attempt to emulate his spirit ("I don't take drugs, I am drugs") without necessarily emulating a lot of his actions (of course, Orwell didn't seem to think Dali an honest man in his autobiography). [clown]
Haven't read the book, but it surely is worth reading... there are so many books and so little time... Dali was not the kind of person you can await being "honest" from, in the sense of being accurate about real facts. Dali was for me something like imagination incarnate, he probably reinvented his own life everyday, which doesn't mean that he wasn't true...

If you like Dali, you probably know Max Ernst? His works are even more inspiring to me.

And now I have to start this f*cking day, it's 9:38 am here and I still sit in my pajamas... [blush] Have a nice day too.
I am learning more and more about Dali every day. His dishonesty is a new revelation. It is said that artists lie in order to tell the truth.

And concerning Max Ernst, I had seen some of his works, and now after a quick Google search, MUST see more! Thank you!
"To practice magic is to be a quack; to know magic is to be a sage." -Eliphas Lévi

"Paradox and contradiction are mysteries of the soul. The weird, the uncanny are sources of knowledge. To know the self. . . one must open the heart wide and search every part. This requires facing the unacceptable, the perverse, the strange, even the sick. Without this critical embrace of metaphysical complexity the soul cannot be understood." -bell hooks

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