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I am brand new here, and I want to at least make my first post worth while. I have not seen an answer to this yet, in spite of spending several hours a day searching this forum. Probably for the last six weeks, I have been spending all of my free time searching this forum and reading all I can.
It would seem to me, that a person could literally play a numbers game with spell casting. Just to increase the chances.
The thought occurred to me after firing a sigil the other day. I just thought to myself, "Wait, why not just cast as many sigils as I want for the same purpose? All I would be doing is increasing the odds.".
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All I want is some feedback, and, by the way, I am not new to this world. My education started sixteen years ago, but I walked away as my life changed. Thank you advance for any responses.
Casting the same spell, multiple times
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I don't understand why it would need to be done multiple times unless it was part of a longer ritual. Are you doubting that it worked the first time?
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Doubting it worked the first time? No. But keep in mind this idea is totally hypothetical. I am not asking a question about a particular thing I have done. Just throwing a thought out there.
Lately my work has been spot on. The reason I brought it up is because I have not seen this asked before, and generally I see a trend with people as they travel further down this path,
If they keep a record of their work, they watch the percentage of effective work increase over time. So why, even with full belief, would it not work to just bolster the intended result with more energy. Since all we really are talking about, in a simplified sense is energy manipulation.
In a physical sense, at least part of the time, more effort will absolutely lead to more result. An example showing my idea is a logger who cuts more trees makes more money. An example going AGAINST my idea, is that once you install a toilet, you either installed it correctly or you did not. You cannot just apply more force and make the toilet install properly, when you already installed it incorrectly in the first place.
Perhaps the answer to my question is that PART of the time, this idea might work. But making it effective truly depends on the context, i.e. the lumberjack analogy. I have never tried this, so really I was hoping someone who HAS TRIED IT might weigh in on the situation. Thanks.
Lately my work has been spot on. The reason I brought it up is because I have not seen this asked before, and generally I see a trend with people as they travel further down this path,
If they keep a record of their work, they watch the percentage of effective work increase over time. So why, even with full belief, would it not work to just bolster the intended result with more energy. Since all we really are talking about, in a simplified sense is energy manipulation.
In a physical sense, at least part of the time, more effort will absolutely lead to more result. An example showing my idea is a logger who cuts more trees makes more money. An example going AGAINST my idea, is that once you install a toilet, you either installed it correctly or you did not. You cannot just apply more force and make the toilet install properly, when you already installed it incorrectly in the first place.
Perhaps the answer to my question is that PART of the time, this idea might work. But making it effective truly depends on the context, i.e. the lumberjack analogy. I have never tried this, so really I was hoping someone who HAS TRIED IT might weigh in on the situation. Thanks.
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The only time I have ever attempted the same working multiple times is when I was not getting results. And then, I still did not get results until I recalled or ended the previous works and completely started over, or a fair amount of time had passed. That being the case, I think your analogy of installing a toilet is more akin to magic than cutting down more trees.
I hadn't really thought about it from this angle before, but I do not believe we are simply adding more fuel to the fire when we work a second time. It isn't just the energy sent out, it is also how it is packaged and formed. Chaos mages tend to say belief is what makes the magic work and, though I consider myself mostly a chaoist, don't think belief alone is what its all about. For instance, I think we all have experience that more or less proves the rule of like attracts like. If you don't, try being pissed off at the world for a week or two and see how it affects your life; then try focusing on the good in life for a similar amount of time and compare your results.
Going back to how energy is packaged, I believe different practices actually work in a technically different manner. Creating a thought form and performing a ritual with the same result in mind for both might enhance your results, but if you make two thought forms for the same purpose they might interfere with one another and defeat your efforts.
I hadn't really thought about it from this angle before, but I do not believe we are simply adding more fuel to the fire when we work a second time. It isn't just the energy sent out, it is also how it is packaged and formed. Chaos mages tend to say belief is what makes the magic work and, though I consider myself mostly a chaoist, don't think belief alone is what its all about. For instance, I think we all have experience that more or less proves the rule of like attracts like. If you don't, try being pissed off at the world for a week or two and see how it affects your life; then try focusing on the good in life for a similar amount of time and compare your results.
Going back to how energy is packaged, I believe different practices actually work in a technically different manner. Creating a thought form and performing a ritual with the same result in mind for both might enhance your results, but if you make two thought forms for the same purpose they might interfere with one another and defeat your efforts.
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I don't have enough experience to make a statement, but you speak of sigil magic, and I just thought it is said important not to be fixated on what you use sigil magic on, it is mostly recommended to forget it. Is this compatible with doing it over and over again?
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Well to be dead honest, I was not looking for a specific answer by posing these ideas. Really I was just looking to expand my thinking, and this quote from Varmoth helped out a lot:
"Going back to how energy is packaged, I believe different practices actually work in a technically different manner. Creating a thought form and performing a ritual with the same result in mind for both might enhance your results, but if you make two thought forms for the same purpose they might interfere with one another and defeat your efforts."
That is a good point. That is the kind of thinking I was looking for.
"Going back to how energy is packaged, I believe different practices actually work in a technically different manner. Creating a thought form and performing a ritual with the same result in mind for both might enhance your results, but if you make two thought forms for the same purpose they might interfere with one another and defeat your efforts."
That is a good point. That is the kind of thinking I was looking for.
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Muscaria wrote:I don't have enough experience to make a statement, but you speak of sigil magic, and I just thought it is said important not to be fixated on what you use sigil magic on, it is mostly recommended to forget it. Is this compatible with doing it over and over again?
That is an excellent point. When it comes to sigils I have many more failures than successes and I believe that an inability to put it out of my mind is the reason for this. It seems the ability to forget is paramount, and one of the reasons it is so important to practice meditation (which I have a hard time with, though I am always improving) and take control of oneself.
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To my experience, it is best idea to cast same spell for particular problem but it is useless to cast different spells for that problem because the more you cast the same spell is the more likely for you to perfect that spell. But if you cast different spells for one problem, you may fail to get even one spell right because with spells practice is a key for perfection.esoteric wrote:Hello,
I am brand new here, and I want to at least make my first post worth while. I have not seen an answer to this yet, in spite of spending several hours a day searching this forum. Probably for the last six weeks, I have been spending all of my free time searching this forum and reading all I can.
It would seem to me, that a person could literally play a numbers game with spell casting. Just to increase the chances.
The thought occurred to me after firing a sigil the other day. I just thought to myself, "Wait, why not just cast as many sigils as I want for the same purpose? All I would be doing is increasing the odds.".
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
All I want is some feedback, and, by the way, I am not new to this world. My education started sixteen years ago, but I walked away as my life changed. Thank you advance for any responses.