Entities you've "worked" with

[PeacockAngel]

Let's have some educational fun. How about you list the entities you've worked with magically, maybe sum up the nature of them you observed, and tell us some of your favorites?

[manonthepath]

Okay. You first?

[Asurendra]

Generally, practiced occultists are not going to publically discuss details of entities with whom they have worked. There is an old dictum that I believe goes back to Eliphas Levi: "To Know, to Dare, to remain Silent." So, outside of a general reference (and you notice the most advanced people on the Forum such as Nahehmah, when she was here Azkhet & Rose Red basically say nothing) which doesn't say much this is not something that we will probably have long posts about from experienced sources.

The question of why this might be is maybe more interesting than the details. But, it should be noted that when dealing with the Peacock Angle/DawingSun777 school of thought none of this has any reality in an ontological sense and is merely a chemical event in the brain so such standards as Levi's dictum are really mute. But, so is everything else then, too.

[Ramscha]

Generally, practiced occultists are not going to publically discuss details of entities with whom they have worked. There is an old dictum that I believe goes back to Eliphas Levi: "To Know, to Dare, to remain Silent." So, outside of a general reference (and you notice the most advanced people on the Forum such as Nahehmah, when she was here Azkhet & Rose Red basically say nothing) which doesn't say much this is not something that we will probably have long posts about from experienced sources.

Even before it was an unspoken dogma in the medieval and renaissance europe. On the one side of course because of persecution by the holy Churche, on the other hand to keep the nimbus and flare of the mysteries of magick practiced in some small rooms behind the house or in the woods. I guess this mysterious side is one of the success factors since old times, especially when it comes to magick as a business.
One goes to an old hag or the strange neighbour with the squint eye and a promise is exchanged for a few coins, a chicken or whatever and one leaves again, the other one (the old hag...) surely knows what he/she is doing and everything will come to pass. Quite similar to the self-fulfilling prophecy.

On the other hand it is some sort of social fassade, this "everyone suspects what I am doing" mystic thingy surely is some kind of ego boost which the gremoir master commanding the legions of hell surely needs.

Also open sharing would open the gates for open critique, constructive as well as annoying or destructive one, and who would like to be bothered with such things anyway? [gz]

It is some kind of protection, of course, but it limits the audience and makes things boring when everyone is talking without saying anything becaue they are afraid of telling some of their secrets. That does not mean one has to tell everything they do in their back room, however the rising occult paranoia could be lowered a little bit. There aren't that much things one has to be afraif of if he/she shares a little knowledge instead of gloomy riddles.

Well, since I will be scolded anyway, I may as well take the lead and start with some of my own work:

I ones called upon the spirit of Marbas, the nr. 5 in the goetia, the big Lion of truth and mysteries as well as knowledge in many ways. He was one of the first spirits in the goetia I worked with. He appeared in form of a big black-golden lion in my mental temple and his appearance made my walls tremble.
It is a very rough and potent force, when comming in it would be wise to withstand it or bow the head in respect. I summoned him for learning purposes since I always had difficulties with learning languages and I asked for help.

Another aspect I really liked to work with was the aspect of Toth in his role as the god of wisdome, moon and magic. When designing a new ritual I called upon him in my early days of practice as a sort of mentor or guiding force as well as inspiration. Not many things are as inspiring as looking into a clear and shiny moon while writing what come into your mind. I often used an Image of the ibis head projected on the moon, I guess the connection is rather obvious.
The input formed my practical work and is still there.

Well, since all good things come in threes: Only some months ago I started to work with one aspect of the northern pantheon called Idun/Iduna, the one who gives apples to the gods to keep them young and immortal. I guess this is an aspect which would make her interesting for the people working on prolonging their lifetime. I called upon her simply for personal gnostic experience and as part of a little Blot to honor my anchestors.

Just my 2 cents

Fell free to continue

Ramscha

[RoseRed]

Should your scolding include spankings? [crazy] [gz] [yay] <now it's a party>

It's not so much a matter of being open for critique. My experiences are my own. I have no need to convince anyone of the truth of them. I don't talk about the amazing sex I had last night either. [shock2] Some things are personal.

Somewhere, in one of the more recent threads, we were talking about the Black Shuck or Hellhound. I said that I call their kind friend and ally. And I do. There are a couple individuals that I have a close personal relationship with. Considering that I also have a personal relationship with Hecate - that shouldn't really come as a surprise. If you read the wiki page on Hellhounds you'll see the connections.

Black Shuck - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck
Hellhound - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellhound

What should I say about that close personal relationship or the kinds of magic that can be worked with them? They're loyal and protective. They really like liver and the hunt. Anything beyond that is a violation of the trust that is shared between us.

[Nahemah]

I can answer for myself only but part what Rosered says re:personal and subjective:

My experiences are my own. I have no need to convince anyone of the truth of them. I don't talk about the amazing sex I had last night either. [shock2] Some things are personal.

Some things I'm simply 'bound' not to discuss,it's an honour/oath thing.

And others,well,I've given out information in the past only to regret it later,as it it was misinterpreted and the cleaning up ops I felt obliged to help with were rather messy and effort consuming,lol,but seriously.
I must admit too, that I've also found that sharing has caused strife at times,due to other folks interpretation of dogma and doctrine and their insistence n getting up in my grill with their preferred reality tunnels,despite my successes with my way of doing things, to them I have to be badwrong' because their religosity says so. [rofl]

There have also been several attempts I've made to share where the post got chewed in the system,several times over and I tend to go with the' oh well,the universal censor dosen't want me to do this' kind of mindset,after the umpteenth try has failed again. [crazy]

On this:

The question of why this might be is maybe more interesting than the details. But, it should be noted that when dealing with the Peacock Angle/DawingSun777 school of thought none of this has any reality in an ontological sense and is merely a chemical event in the brain so such standards as Levi's dictum are really mute. But, so is everything else then, too.

I am a fan of the Psychological model,but I prefer to mix it up with the other models,as I don't think it's wise to seperate and confine rhyme and reason away from each other.Instinct and intuition are just as valid sensory equipment as reason and logic are.Certainty and rigidity do not really favour enquiring minds,in the long term. [thumbup]

[PeacockAngel]

Generally, practiced occultists are not going to publically discuss details of entities with whom they have worked. There is an old dictum that I believe goes back to Eliphas Levi: "To Know, to Dare, to remain Silent." So, outside of a general reference (and you notice the most advanced people on the Forum such as Nahehmah, when she was here Azkhet & Rose Red basically say nothing) which doesn't say much this is not something that we will probably have long posts about from experienced sources.

The question of why this might be is maybe more interesting than the details. But, it should be noted that when dealing with the Peacock Angle/DawingSun777 school of thought none of this has any reality in an ontological sense and is merely a chemical event in the brain so such standards as Levi's dictum are really mute. But, so is everything else then, too.

Chemical reactions don't exist in reality??? Holy shit, I need to reevaluate (see your straw man?).

[Nahemah]

Come now Angelus,I'll see your 'straw man' and raise you a weasel wording/cherry picking,or two. [eg]

none of this has any reality in an ontological sense and is merely a chemical event in the brain

Chemical reactions don't exist in reality??? Holy shit, I need to reevaluate (see your straw man?)

The missing word from your cherry picked definition of what Asurendra said is highlighted in the quote above, the one word that gives context and direction to Asurendra's criticism.

ONTOLOGICAL.

Ontology is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence, or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology deals with questions concerning what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences. In the broadest sense, ontologists investigate what makes a human human, relying on institutional, social, and technical conventions representing a nexus of intellectual activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology

In computer science and information science, an ontology formally represents knowledge as a set of concepts within a domain, using a shared vocabulary to denote the types, properties and interrelationships of those concepts.[1][2]

Ontologies are the structural frameworks for organizing information and are used in artificial intelligence, the Semantic Web, systems engineering, software engineering, biomedical informatics, library science, enterprise bookmarking, and information architecture as a form of knowledge representation about the world or some part of it. The creation of domain ontologies is also fundamental to the definition and use of an enterprise architecture framework.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_% ... science%29

If you two want to go round in circles arguing on which of you is correct, may I suggest a new topic to do so,as this fruitless picking stifles conversation somewhat and drags us way off the original topic material.

I have worked with 'entities' both as a believer and as a sceptic,yet had interesting and successful results both ways as I can hold opposing ideas in my head and entertain more than one viewpoint simultaneously without my head exploding. Maybe you'd be surprised,perhaps, at how many of us can do this, as it's not actually that difficult a concept for the human mind once it escapes a dualistic mindset. [thumbup]

Either/Or dichotomy,hmm...

Edited to add,for balance: I'm aware that Asurendra 'started it' this time with this...

it should be noted that when dealing with the Peacock Angle/DawingSun777 school of thought none of this has any reality in an ontological sense and is merely a chemical event in the brain so such standards as Levi's dictum are really mute. But, so is everything else then, too.

But,both of you should try to ignore each other more,if you can't get past this.Pesronalities clash sometimes,fact of life,beliefs diverge,practices differ.

You both have a lot to offer here and I hope we can now have a decent discussion,this has potential for a decent topic and I 'm going to step out of my comfort zone a little with it now.

A shout out to Ramscha too,by the way,that was an excellent post and I enjoyed reading about your experience greatly.So much so, that you've helped me get the stick outta my arse and decide to join in properly. [grin] [pray]

Question: For the purposes of this topic,how are we defining entity?

I may be willing to discuss one or two as I intend to post about an experience in another topic which is entity related,but I'm not producing a list nor will I be justifying anything to anyone.

And turning this around again,what about you PeacockAngel,will you be sharing here too,as manonthepath also asked earlier?

I'd like to hear more about how you've interacted with Melek Taus,for instance,so tradseies?

I'll share if you do.

[Nahemah]

A wee list,just because...why not.

Various fylgia forms

Hela

Shiva Nataraja [Written abut previously on the forum]

Jesus [also on the forum]

Azazel

Each Uisge

Bean Nighe

Cu Sidhe

Fotamecus...

and many more,some known others not so much.

More later,mibbe.