strengthening TK?

[StillLearning]

I want to strengthen my telekinetic abilities, but have only found one or two exercises for it [cry2] .Tips? Tricks?

[Ramscha]

Telekinesis is quite a controversal topic I guess. I had my encounters with things like the famous "psy-wheel" and stuff, but in the end it either turned out as some sort of already known energy manipulation with a new fancy name (like the "psi-ball") or simply as a trick. Uri Geller knows what I mean....

Anyway, I have a link which might be interesting for you. Since you live in Germany, I suppose you understand? If not, just send me a PN and you will get a translation from me [thumbup]

Ramscha

[ne1]

I think the tips would depend in part on what you want to do with the skill. I believe the post Ramsha linked is correct that some telekinetic effects, such as a physical fireball, would take different energy than an astral fire ball for instance. (I used google translate. I’m hoping I understood it )

Creating elements in astral, such as through the visualization as the post linked described, can have effects in the long run as well with practice. While these are only astral skills, and do not manifest in the physical form of fire or bolts of electricity, I’ve still found these skills to be useful. I am female and grew up at times in areas with high crime rates. I didn’t have a physical advantage against more than one person or against weapons and thus needed to defend myself magically. Astral fire for instance will cause another to feel ill or extreme heat and pressure. The element of electricity helped too when applied right to knock someone out without hurting them, thus allowing time to get away from dangerous situations. Calling down spirits, though again they may not manifest physical events, will most often scare the individual away, again causing no lasting harm. Though they do not produce a direct result, like a physical fireball would do, they can help in some situations.

If they create results in physical reality (though indirectly), I think these astral psi balls can be called telekinetic. I agree with the post linked above that to create direct results on the physical plane would take a higher energy level (higher being a key word here) than manifesting indirectly. In short, it’s easier to create “after effects” than it is to create fire. This means that most who would chose to would be able to create these types of effects.

If you mean by telekinesis direct physical manifestation, I could give only limited tips. The only direct physical results I have some self-confidence in currently is manipulating electronics. There have been other instances I can tell you about, but these are more like accidents.

I looked through my bookshelf when I read your post but found only a few references to telekinesis. One of the authors of this book http://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Mind-Exp ... 1577310977 seems respected (Targ) It has a couple of pages on studies done on telekinesis if you are interested in learning more.

This book http://www.amazon.com/Mind-Over-Matter- ... 1575660474 talks about a number of different skills. Again this book is more theoretical and summarizes other studies. It does not really discuss the “how to”.

Forgive the older material and links to books, please. My research is outdated. I admit I gave up long ago trying to find reliable and consistent “tips” in books or online. Such skills seemed to be the talk of legend and theory. Directions seemed vague. So I stopped reading and started to just fumble my way through getting conscious control of the skills. (And I still have much more work to do. )

From my experience, and the experience of a number of others who I interact with, telekinetically altering electronics seems to come sooner and easier than other telekinetic skills. In other words, you can change the channel on your TV easier that you can move a book off the shelf.

Telekinesis with electronics is even easier with the more sensitive equipment (like computers, cell phones, etc). More “advanced” forms would be thinks such as blowing out the transformers in an area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer) Well-timed blackouts make good practice, in other words, and can be fun ways to play practical jokes on your friends.

In summary two tips I would suggest to begin would be to practice things like energy balls (I don't know of names other that things like "psi-balls"). And if you want to affect physical form, I suggest that you begin with electronics. But again it would depend on what you want to do with it .

I would be interested in hearing more about the information you have hear and read. What have you found on the subject thus far?

[Ramscha]

sry double post

[Ramscha]

I think the tips would depend in part on what you want to do with the skill. I believe the post Ramsha linked is correct that some telekinetic effects, such as a physical fireball, would take different energy than an astral fire ball for instance. (I used google translate. I’m hoping I understood it )

The Post was not at all about astral stuff, it all referes to physical phenomenons.
To make it readable for everybody I did a quick translation (the post is not mine, remember that!)

How can I throw fireballs/ let water flow upwards?

Answer 1: Channel the necessary amount of energy and put it into your object.
Answer 2: You can‘t.

Both of those answers are right and if you look closer, they aren’t conflicting either.

Generally everything is possible as long as the necessary amount of energy is present. That is the problem with things like throwing fireballs.

To clarify the problem we look closer to the operation, therefore we stay with throwing fireballs as an example. However, the approaches can be applied to any other sort of problem/operation.

Before letting a fireball appear in your hand so that you can throw it a number of single steps have to be guaranteed. For this I am taking the approach which needs the lowest amount of energy, therefore it is also the simplest one:

1) Heating up the air above your hand surface to a temperature level which will lead to a self-ignition of our substance.
2) Positioning of an ignitable substance above our hand surface which can then be ignited and thrown.
3) Building of a fire protection above your hand surface (at least if you want to throw a fire ball more often than just once…).
4) Manipulation of the air flow which takes care that your fireball flies through the sky and still burns while flying.

To make it easy for the beginning we stay with the production of fire in our hands and forget the throwing part 4) for the time being. We also take care of fire protection and will use a fire protection paste like it is used for fire stunts. Problem 3 is also solved, which leaves us with point 1 and 2.

2) Positioning of an ignitable substance above our hand surface
To position flammable substances above your hands you can either manipulate air streams or you produce them by yourself. The thing with the air streams might be problematic since natural occurring explosive substances are normally rather unstable and you would have to manipulate a lot of air to transport them to your position (also depending on where the next deposit is but even when you are standing right next to it this job can be quite hard). To create ignitable substances out of your environment you can of course only use substances which naturally exist there.
Considerable sources would only be methane or oxyhydrogen (mix of hydrogen and oxygen). Methane is problematic because you need a temperature of 600°C to ignite it which is far higher than for oxyhydrogen. The next problem is that methane only develops over a long period of time under high pressure and temperature. Those circumstances might be very unlikely to create, even when you have really super-duper mystical magick abilities.
You can also create methane from rotten organic substances but even then you would need a rather unique anatomy.

Let’s go to oxyhydrogen
The reaction looks like this: 2H2 + O2 --> 2H20; vor synthesis the reaction is vies versa. The energy which is necessary to separate oxygen and hydrogen from each other is rather high since water is a very stable molecule. Try an electrolyses and look how much electricity you need to create a considerable amount of those gases.

Links:
For more oxyhydrogen stuff


The rule to give energy into a reaction to push it counts for every reaction where the products are richer in energy then there reactant. Therefore, even when you find a possibility besides methane and oxyhydrogen, this energy problem remains (cf. [urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exothermic_reaction]exothermic[/url] and endothermic reactions )


1) Heating up the air above your hand surface to a temperature level which will lead to a self-ignition of our substance.

So continuing this path we started above won’t lead to any satisfying result. Therefore, let’s assume we have already a canister with oxyhydrogen and we just have to let it explode. This problem is rather easy since we only need to bring a tiny spot up to 100°C and it should also be in contact with oxygen. The job to calculate the amount of energy necessary to perform that another person should kindly do this, since my physics classes in school some time has already past.

Result:
Anyway, I hope everybody agrees with the following:
To heat up even a tiny spot of air (or something else) you need a measurable amount of energy where else for a difficult intervention into causalities (key word would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect ) measurable amounts of energy can’t be detected or measured.
Whoever has already some experience with practical magical work will certainly know how difficult and tiring it can be to push a magical operation despite the fact that the channelled amounts of energy very rarely reach a measurable limit. Therefore 2 thoughts should come into mind:
- How much „work“ (rituals, trance, meditation, etc.) are necessary to get such an amount of energy?
- How many millions of more useful operations could I perform with this energy?

Additionally you should consider the difficulty to teach your sub consciousness that is it exactly now really important to put an amazing amount of energy into an operation with an obvious lack of purpose ( I mean, come on, making a Molotov cocktail in less than 2 minutes can do the same job, right?).

I think you know what I am up to:
Even if we consider the act of throwing fireballs as doable (and not everybody believes that) it would be rather senseless to aim for it since there are tons of more useful goals. Thos counts also for thing like “letting things fly” or “making water flow upwards”. Amazing amount of energy is needed and a very tiny outcome is the result.

And for the end a comment of flame (our master of fire as you know):
“Change to ice magick, throw snow balls!”

[Rin]

It doesn't contain direct instruction for TK (although it does for other similar abilities), but someone who's completed the first 4 or 5 levels of Bardon's system should be able to extrapolate how to apply his training towards TK fairly easily.

[Ramscha]

It doesn't contain direct instruction for TK (although it does for other similar abilities), but someone who's completed the first 4 or 5 levels of Bardon's system should be able to extrapolate how to apply his training towards TK fairly easily.

I think you know what I am up to:
Even if we consider the act of throwing fireballs as doable (and not everybody believes that) it would be rather senseless to aim for it since there are tons of more useful goals. This counts also for thing like “letting things fly” or “making water flow upwards”. Amazing amount of energy is needed and a very tiny outcome is the result.

[wink]

[Rin]

If you're saying that there's not much practical application in doing that much training just to be able to move pens around your desk, sure, I'll agree. But the training comes with plenty of other benefits, direct and indirect, which are absolutely worthwhile, and developing and experimenting with such abilities can teach you a lot about the universe and the forces which underlay it.

[manonthepath]

The article on "Gedankenkontrolle" was very interesting and helpful. Another possibly helpful method might be to place a candle a short distance away and sit in front of it, so that your hand is about six inches to a foot away when you reach out. Then channel your energy down your arm through your hand and our of the tips of the fingers, while staying completely relaxed. Try pushing and pulling at the flame from the upper abdomen/solar plexus area. With some dedicated practice and a bit of innate potential the flame should move or sway a bit. When you can accomplish this, you are on your way. Keep your mind focused and make sure the room isn't too dark, because staring at the flame while the rest of the room is too dark may hurt the eye. Also be advised that staring too intently for too long may result in a hypnotic or even an astral experience, which seems not to be what you are looking to accomplish. Good luck.