Haven't been sure where to start

[xinmone]

This is my first post, so I apologize if it's too vague.

As of late I've developed an interest in the history of anti-magick practices, but I can't seem to find a decent root to start from. I've done enough research to know that I'm looking for something different than the European "cunning" magic traditions, as well as folk practices meant to protect from magick. I suppose I'm looking for something where the goal is accomplished by breaking apart a focused energy instead of "bouncing it back," if that makes sense...If anyone has an idea of where I should be looking to get started, please let me know [pray]

[manofsands]

I suppose I'm looking for something where the goal is accomplished by breaking apart a focused energy instead of "bouncing it back," if that makes sense...

Can you explain this a little more?

[xinmone]

For the most part my readings have been limited to Gypsy and Italian folk traditions (which focus on using talismans for protection, which would essentially redirect energy), a bit of Akkadian exorcism and demon trapping (relocation of the entity), and some other odds and ends which function along the same lines. Instead, I am interested in finding a tradition that uses a practice meant to neutralize "malignant energy" or even break it apart. Essentially i'm looking for different techniques to expand my horizons, but I tend to start my research as far back as possible and then move forward (hence, I posted here). Does this clarify any? [confused]

[manofsands]

If you say you aren't interested in 'folk' majick, you might not get a lot of replies here. Also you say you're interested in 'anti-majick'... kinda a strike 2 here. If you're looking specifically for energy manipulation / visualization I can give some suggestions.

If you could give more details what you're up against it could make things easier. Whether a 'dark presence' a known mage working against you, just a feeling.. or other. If you don't wish to go into detail I can give a few general ideas.

BTW...do you believe in majick? Because if you don't the best defense is probably disbelief.

[manofsands]

the goal is accomplished by breaking apart a focused energy instead of "bouncing it back"
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"For the most part my readings have been limited to Gypsy and Italian folk traditions (which focus on using talismans for protection, which would essentially redirect energy), a bit of Akkadian exorcism and demon trapping (relocation of the entity), and some other odds and ends which function along the same lines. Instead, I am interested in finding a tradition that uses a practice meant to neutralize "malignant energy" or even break it apart.

Grounding the energy might be a good way to neutralize it. Depending on the nature of the energy and the practice to are accustomed to using you could work in a symbolic visualization where you channel it into the ground. That would be neutralization. To break it apart, you may channel it into an earthen jar, vase or likeness. You could take the pieces and bury in separate spots, pouring water over them for conductivity. For a final 'nail in the coffin' a healing plant could be planted on top of each piece.

[NariusV]

I'm not sure how prevalent the energy paradigm was a couple hundred years ago. Most of the things I have read from early times relate to the spirit/entity paradigm and use banishing, binding, or cursing.

The few techniques I learned from things handed down via family lines were more kitchen witch style protections, and no energy components or breaking apart were discussed, only.. do such and such and this or that will happen.

[Ramscha]

meant to neutralize "malignant energy" or even break it apart. Essentially i'm looking for different techniques to expand my horizons, but I tend to start my research as far back as possible and then move forward (hence, I posted here). Does this clarify any? [confused]

To be more precise, are you trying to "ban" energy? That is at least what comes closest to what you described. [oh]
If you mean that, there is a ton of banning practices and many systems using them.

[RoseRed]

BTW...do you believe in majick? Because if you don't the best defense is probably disbelief.

That's just silly. You don't have to believe in gravity to be stuck to the skin of the planet either.

[manofsands]

BTW...do you believe in majick? Because if you don't the best defense is probably disbelief.

That's just silly. You don't have to believe in gravity to be stuck to the skin of the planet either.

I don't think it is silly at all. You can't compare majick to gravity. Gravity works 100% of the time.

Belief in majick definitely makes you more susceptible to it. Belief is 99% of what majick is about. I'm surprised that is even questioned.

[RoseRed]

I can curse a nonbeliever easier than a believer. Belief is not required if you're on the receiving end.

[manofsands]

There might be exceptions to my statement, but for the most part I believe it to be true.

In your example... does the nonbeliever know they are being cursed? Maybe they are still susceptible to your energy if they don't know about it, where as if you told them their nonbelief defenses would be more than you could overcome?

(My ideas are always open to change,.. that's why I'm throwing it out this way)

[Mavus]

For the most part my readings have been limited to Gypsy and Italian folk traditions (which focus on using talismans for protection, which would essentially redirect energy), a bit of Akkadian exorcism and demon trapping (relocation of the entity), and some other odds and ends which function along the same lines. Instead, I am interested in finding a tradition that uses a practice meant to neutralize "malignant energy" or even break it apart. Essentially i'm looking for different techniques to expand my horizons, but I tend to start my research as far back as possible and then move forward (hence, I posted here). Does this clarify any? [confused]

Hello, I think you are articulating a 'primal objective' that smartly well covers being here in this School (Mother Earth).

And as I understand it, some of us MUST come up with proven practical options in ORDER to LEAVE here with our dignity intact.

There, now calm down, the screws wind tighter so relax.

Benevolent universes in this sector of infinity only have ONE proven option and it proves out to be a loop that eventually 'feeds back upon itself', and that, no matter how eternity gets stretched out. Yet it is 'known' that it is solved elsewhere somehow and a nifty solution did drift on in and was summarily 'rejected' and later approved with terrible and deep 'conditions' lest it fail.

Sounds like a myth? I decline to share my own personal feeling on the matter just today, though it is an optimistic day for me.

ONE way and we all inherently know it. Also consider the angels sing its praises, so do not bother with them on the matter to much, because they are 'stuck'.

Drum roll: 'Unwind all energy of discomfiture to its primal original benevolent source as soul'. See a flaw in this scheme?

And if you speak to any Arch-Angel on the matter, it is a song on 'repeat enlightening'.

Another clever observer said, 'The new answer hides in the dark clouds of Chaos and that is where you come in'.

Have you ever heard of a 'universe built entirely upon one major principle, Enigma?' Well, there it routinely takes to the 27th level to square any challenge. I suspect ours being with more primal principles has Enigma hidden or watered in a greater 'mix'. Therefore I postulate by experience it resolves for certain sure by the 15th level squared.

And I also know we have two things at least already, 'changing the past' which by the way neatly 'unravels the ONE solution mentioned above' and 'HOPE'. You see we have in hell unfolded the 'spirit of hope' for there was no particular call for hope in heavens made too perfect, where 'wanton bliss' is addictive and growth debilitating.

I speak here this way by seeming myth for purpose of a deeper chime within thee...

[RoseRed]

What are 'non belief defenses'?

[manofsands]

What are 'non belief defenses'?

Ignorance is Bliss

I have no practical magick experience to speak of,.. you may have had many experiences that have you conclude differently, but it just feels intuitively true that someone who does not believe in magick would have a natural tolerance to it. I'm sure there are some who say they don't believe in magic,... but they mean they just don't understand it,.. yet they believe in it's possibility.

But someone who steadfastly doesn't believe in magick,.. it's not even a consideration to them... that would seem to inherently shut down avenues of energy manipulation.

There is also the matter if they were aware of you intentions. This would obviously affect the flow... of whatever is going on, for better or worse. I would think a certain amount of social drama could benefit the strength of a spell. There are ways to kink the armor of disbelief, and I am certain that theatrics have more than a small part to play in magick forces past and present.

[Mavus]

What are 'non belief defenses'?

Ignorance is Bliss

But someone who steadfastly doesn't believe in magick,.. it's not even a consideration to them... that would seem to inherently shut down avenues of energy manipulation.

Let me defeat both your logic and intuition since as you say, 'have no practical magick experience...'

But someone who steadfastly doesn't believe in 'the unexpected' ((magick)) ... ((it's)) 'the unknown' is not even a consideration to them... that would seem to inherently defeat the movement of energy itself. There is far more 'unknown' than 'known' always... ...'non belief' does not move this equation around.

Consciousness cannot 'void' one part of itself, it is whole, one, complete; not even being 'color blind' or in 'non belief' phases the fact of energy in any way.

A kind word about 'intuition'. It only reflects the sum total of who you are by experience at this one point of focus.

You need more practical experience to judge magick. This is your own admission.

Magick must account for the unknown, unexpected and not yet explained, just because someone else declines this responsibility only opens them up to being 'blindly led around by the nose'. Such is most of humanity at present; so actually the more so called 'non belief' the easier more effective magick.

Rabid superstition just increases 'drama', a nuisance only.

[manofsands]

There is far more 'unknown' than 'known' always... ...'non belief' does not move this equation around.

I don't understand the relevance of this statement..

Consciousness cannot 'void' one part of itself, it is whole, one, complete; not even being 'color blind' or in 'non belief' phases the fact of energy in any way.

I understand this statement. Is this a belief or is it known? Interesting.

A kind word about 'intuition'. It only reflects the sum total of who you are by experience at this one point of focus.

I would call that my intelligence or persona. Intuition to me is a tool, a tuning fork. Its the 'gut feeling' ya gotta trust, or you aint got will.

Magick must account for the unknown, unexpected and not yet explained, just because someone else declines this responsibility...

Magick doesn't need to account to the unknown. The unknown is only that, unknown. It does not need a face.

..only opens them up to being 'blindly led around by the nose'. Such is most of humanity at present; so actually the more so called 'non belief' the easier more effective magick.

I think people, society can be 'blindly led around by the nose' by more than majick. That's the point. Separating the wheat from the chaff when it comes to majick.

[Mavus]

There is far more 'unknown' than 'known' always... ...'non belief' does not move this equation around.

I don't understand the relevance of this statement..

Then how would you define 'Chaos Magick'? And without a scheme or mechanism for handling Chaos; thus the unknown, then that created universe is vulnerable. Now Chaos is generally avoided, marked and banned, but Chaos is not the 'known' all mixed up, it is the precursor to the new. Most interesting how many adamantly deny that there can be anything 'new'.

Consciousness cannot 'void' one part of itself, it is whole, one, complete; not even being 'color blind' or in 'non belief' phases the fact of energy in any way.

I understand this statement. Is this a belief or is it known? Interesting.

Both, one cannot 'get out of Life', or 'being alive' and stay relevant, though a thousand deaths could well be emulated.

A kind word about 'intuition'. It only reflects the sum total of who you are by experience at this one point of focus.

I would call that my intelligence or persona. Intuition to me is a tool, a tuning fork. Its the 'gut feeling' ya gotta trust, or you aint got will.

Will or wisdom? They are not same. On a personal note: I found the 'limit of trusting intuition' especially when it comes to 'new wisdom'. Old established wisdom no problem there of course.

Magick must account for the unknown, unexpected and not yet explained, just because someone else declines this responsibility...

Magick doesn't need to account to the unknown. The unknown is only that, unknown. It does not need a face.

Yes, 'the unknown does not need the face of magick', agreed. Oh, but magick requires the 'unknown'. Well, unless you intend to lose. [happyface]

..only opens them up to being 'blindly led around by the nose'. Such is most of humanity at present; so actually the more so called 'non belief' the easier more effective magick.

I think people, society can be 'blindly led around by the nose' by more than majick. That's the point. Separating the wheat from the chaff when it comes to majick.

Agreed.

[RoseRed]

As I've been known to say "There is something to be said for brute force."

Combine brute force with decades of practice, education and practical application and there is very little that you cannot do - whether a person believes or not.

Non-belief is not a shield, although, many people seem to think so. The non-believer still interacts with the world and it's energy fields. That's all that's needed.

[manofsands]

I think Im having a little paradigm shift going on. Like a glacier settling an inch.
Im gonna wait for it to sink in...

[RoseRed]

That's so cool!

Usually a little unnerving but cool, none the less.

[Lord Ferocia]

This is my first post, so I apologize if it's too vague.

As of late I've developed an interest in the history of anti-magick practices, but I can't seem to find a decent root to start from. I've done enough research to know that I'm looking for something different than the European "cunning" magic traditions, as well as folk practices meant to protect from magick. I suppose I'm looking for something where the goal is accomplished by breaking apart a focused energy instead of "bouncing it back," if that makes sense...If anyone has an idea of where I should be looking to get started, please let me know [pray]

The most common form of "magic resistance", as in protecting oneself from psychic attack etc., etc., is the L.B.R.P., or Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. This is explained in many occult systems, especially the Golden Dawn High Magick system. One can also find much material regarding this sort of "anti-magic" in natural magic, as certain inherent properties of natural materials act to disrupt specific types of fields etc. Salt, and running water are often seen as barriers, and eliminators of structures forces.

Of course, this type of particular interest can be further developed and perfected once one has chosen a particular system. Once one has a greater understanding of the system he has chosen, and the inherent symbolic language etc., they can formulate various techniques to accomplish this sort of thing. Amulets, and talismans, as well as evocations, and sigil work all come into play then as a form of anti magic if one wants to call it that.

LF

[autodydact]

I don't know exactly what you're looking for, but you mentioned breaking apart energy? Others may disagree, but as far as I'm concerned, that isn't possible. You can't destroy energy, only redirect it. It works like physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Say I send a psychic attack... The recipient can't destroy that energy, they can redirect it though, just like if I throw I ball at you and you catch it, you haven't destroyed the kinetic energy of my throw, simply displaced it. That makes sense in my head, but i welcome anyone to disprove that view. If we could completely destroy energy sent, I'm sure all of our lives would be much easier.

[RoseRed]

Can you quote which part you're replying to? Please and thanx.