Drawing and holding lines in the air

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I'm starting to consider air-doodling as a prerequisite exercise to really getting the LBRP/LIRP right.

I have enough exercise with LBRP/LIRP where I think they're starting to grow on me. No noticeable results yet but I also realize that part of my problem is that I don't have a lot of real-estate when it comes to natural capability in visual memory. I don't know if it's specifically rare but I can't hold things for much more than a second or split second.

That said I don't know that most people in my position consider themselves bold enough to try and keep trying. For me I really have no reason to quite no matter how high a mountain I have to climb for even moderate results.

I'm curious if anyone else started out pretty opaque with this stuff, couldn't even draw one line of a pentagram and keep the 'blue flame' drawing for that let alone all five sides and then a ring connecting all four.

Foregoing lust for result here I tend to wonder, this particular skill, whether it's more cerebrum or cerebellum. If it's more linked with cerebellum it might be one of those areas that will only improve so much with practice and in that case I'll have to be incredibly diligent to notice much improvement at all.

[Lord Ferocia]

I'm curious if anyone else started out pretty opaque with this stuff, couldn't even draw one line of a pentagram and keep the 'blue flame' drawing for that let alone all five sides and then a ring connecting all four.

Just "knowing" the symbols are there is enough. Some do not have great visualization skills, but the ritual is still effective. Remember "as above, so below", and that these symbols are not the important aspect as much as the idea. Visualization has its value in practice of course, yet it is not the sum total of it, the affect of the ritual is one on many levels, most of which rests on suggestion. It is the language of the symbolism that is important and what ideas these invoke. Ritual is a system of aesthetics that conjure within the mind the appropriate aggregate of concepts. Practice of course is key with visualization.

[manofsands]

I don't really know if these recommendations would help, but if you're hell-bent (err, um) on visualizing...

1) work on your trance state. It may be your brain is getting in the way. It may need more relaxation than concentration. Work on getting your brain loose before the visualization.

2) again with the brain getting in the way,.. distract it from the visualization. Do the visualization, but also focus on other effects,... like a lazer crackling sound as you trace the lines. As the visualization being a secondary effect, your brain may not get in the way of it.

3) trick your brain. Have a large pentagram poster in high contrast close by. If you focus on it and then close your eyes you should have a residual image for a little while...

...and though these may work, it may be a matter if you focus too hard you are missing the point in the first place. I am an artist yet I also have trouble keeping an image crisp in my head. As LF said,.. "Just "knowing" the symbols are there is enough."

Maybe try...4) reverse psychology ... just know that that it is there is enough and try to not visualize it. Want it to be mystical thru it's invisible...ness.

uh...

sometimes I feel the more I talk the dumber I get... (I don't need any agreements here [rage] )

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

It's all good advice.

I've sectioned off a corner of my wall that I try to pin tattwas on, rose crosses, or just trace with lines.

I think it's AMORC as well as several other groups and authors who've convinced me that having profound visual memory is incredibly important for this kind of work.

Hell-bent? Yeah, but I'd say even more so just dedicated and stubborn. I figure if I keep running at a barrier just by doing for long enough - the Cosmic eventually has to admire my diligence and ease up on the genetic lid just a little.

[manofsands]

I figure if I keep running at a barrier just by doing for long enough - the Cosmic eventually has to admire my diligence and ease up on the genetic lid just a little.

Noice!

[RoseRed]

I don't understand this whole visual memory thing.

When I draw lines or pentagrams in the air I can see the energetic lines hanging there.

Why do you need to remember where you put it if you just made it?

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

I don't understand this whole visual memory thing.

When I draw lines or pentagrams in the air I can see the energetic lines hanging there.

Why do you need to remember where you put it if you just made it?

TY for that.

It very well could be that I'll eventually have the same experience. I haven't broken through that layer yet and accordingly I'm trying to figure out what it takes.

[RoseRed]

I really have no idea what you're thanking me for. I was asking a serious question. I really don't understand the 'visual memory' thing.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Rose - you're a natural. I have to pull information out by asking silly questions that you'd think everyone already experienced the way you do. It's like asking a natural jock how to kick a football 80 yards or throw a sinking fastball.