Offerings for a Fire elemental.

[Nahemah]

I deleted a topic by mistake. [mad] Apologies to Blutnacht. [blush]

the OP was asking for ideas for offerings to a Fire elemental without using live fire.

My suggestions were a fired clay object,or other item that has been involved with fire,or changed by it.I suggested Ignoeus or metamorphic rocks also,like Obsidian,for instance,which is a type of volcanic glass.

There were some great and innovative sugggestions.I hope some of you might repost here,if you would? [pray]
If the OP can too it would be fantasic.

I am very sorry for the duh moment. [bummed]

[Stukov]

lmfao, so my classic dumb funny moment forever gone from zee board?

[Nahemah]

I'm afraid so.You could repost,though? Plze?

[Stukov]

I'm afraid so.You could repost,though? Plze?

I don't even remember what I said

[Belial]

Alright then...

In summary I suggested the use of sulfur or to a lesser extent a ruby.I also outlined that one could use something related to an animal that's often associated with the element of fire such as a tiger or fox.


You made your suggestion which you outlined already in your initial repost of the topic.


Stukov suggested something that gives off a similar chemical reaction such as glow sticks.


Then I think you concurred with the idea remarking making emphasis on the heat and light caused by the reaction.


I later responded criticizing the idea stating that the objective was to appease a fire being not to simulate a fire as it would be like offering air to a wind elemental.

[Nahemah]

I suggested the use of sulfur or to a lesser extent a ruby.

I later responded criticizing the idea stating that the objective was to appease a fire being not to simulate a fire as it would be like offering air to a wind elemental.

Thank you Belial.

This is why I was so bummed at my idiocy in deleting the thread.

I wanted to respond and ask you about this,in greater detail.

Why is Sulphur better for apeasement?

This is an important distinction that you made and I feel it deserves further exploration.

[Belial]

Very well I suppose I should further elaborate and use examples.The scent of the sulfur is pleasing to a fire elemental and often reminds them of home.Not only that but despite it's abundance is viewed as something valuable to them sort of like waving silver around in front of a human being.On top of all that it also embodies the chemical reactions brought up by Stukov though in a more stable and aesthetically pleasing form.Also because of this chemical reaction it can be thought of as akin to food for the elemental further adding to it's value.Now to break this all down and address it on an individual basis in greater detail.

As I stated the scent is a familiar one to them and let's them relax and feel more comfortable in your environment.Let's say you left your homeland to visit a foreign nation.Somebody calls you into their home and it feels distant and rigid for you , needless to say you would keep up your normal social barriers and treat them whether consciously or not as an outsider.Now let's say you were invited to another home.This one is filled with the familiar scents of home and is adorned with objects representing your homeland.Even if you still view this person as an outsider this simple act will bypass a few of your social barriers and cause you to form a more significant connection whether you are aware of this or not.To further add to this ritual can help add to this connection.If you saw all that and also saw the person performing a few of the native traditions either from or in honor of your homeland this would further strengthen that connection between you.

Now onto the second point.Sulfur is valuable in the eyes of a fire elemental.Sulfur is incredibly useful and versatile.Even taken at face value there is much you can utilize the substance for.On top of the basic functions of the substance fire elementals consider it to be something attractive and beautiful.Much like when you present a human being with a precious gem they react quite pleasantly.Granted the level of pleasantness stimulated by the offer varies depending on the quality of it in both the example and the specified topic.This is why I had also suggested a ruby but to a lesser extent.It would have the captivating properties of this level but it would lack the other aspects that sulfur brings to the table.Personally I share the sentiment and feel sulfur is rather beautiful as well as quite useful.

Now on the chemical reaction level.Sulfur is very versatile in this area and can produce a lot of pleasant reactions.Sulfur can easily produce chemical reactions akin to fire and is actually very often used for this specific purpose by many people.Sulfur ignites and does so without much coercion needed.Also when it burns the flames it produces are rather attractive themselves.It also has some beautiful results when you see it melt.Other than the chemical reaction of directly producing fire with relative ease it also harbors a variety of other potential reactions I feel inclined to bring up despite it's lack of direct connection to fire other than being part of this element.Sulfur is used as a base in many chemicals and can be used to accomplish a number of beneficial reactions.It is also used in a range of types of medicines.Not only that but it holds great significance in the field of alchemy and anyone familiar with that field would certainly respect this element.

To add to this because of it's specific chemical reaction and ignition it can also be viewed as a source of fuel and nourishment for a fire elemental.In this context you would also be feeding the elemental if you chose to do so but in this specific case the chemical reaction is not one the person who posed this question would desire as they already made clear their reluctance to use any sort of actual fire and so this section does not apply to them.Instead they should just use it knowing the potential it holds.Offering an unprepared meal may not hold as much significance as actually preparing one but the gesture is still appreciated on top of the fact you still have all the previously stated aspects to support your endeavor.

Now to close my statement.Sulfur holds a great deal of significance and value and the use of rituals adds to the offering by conveying traditions and acts of respect.I adamantly recommend the use of sulfur when it comes to offerings for fire elementals or other fire associated beings.Outside of that I also recommend it for use in alchemy and healing as well as chemical applications.Ultimately you can't deny that sulfur makes a great solution.Lastly you earn bonus points if you caught the joke in my previous sentence.

[Nahemah]

Sulphur/solution[ solution as in answer to problem and also as a solution of Sulphur itself]...lolololol.I get it.

I was a bit caught on my back foot,so to speak,as Sulphur is so well,universal,lol,as Sulphur is present in all living things.

That was most informative and elucidating post,thank you.

@Stukov,I 'm sorry,still kicking myself mentally,I made a right doozie of it. [oh]

I copied this topic and posted it in Beginners Info as a sticky,the differerence between appeasement and stimulation is an important distinction and thanks again Belial for the explanation on Sulphur.

[Stukov]

We live and learn.

[Nahemah]

On a side note,I have some rather lovely Leadhillite.

It's an ore of Lead Sulphate,it's rather rare also. [see link] Mine looks like the "Bouillon vein, Saint-Pal-de-Mons.. Auvergne, France" pic in the link,about halfway down the page,the blues and greens in my specimen are vivid and I have suphur crystals and lots of lead present.
I checked online,apparently it has a fair old monetary worth,among collectors. [which makes it 's potential applications for Magickal use more powerful,in my opinion,I'm not selling and I 'm not telling where I got it either,lol]

http://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?min=2361

http://www.galleries.com/minerals/carbo ... adhill.htm

I was wondering about possible uses,Belial.The OP and your subsequent commentary have helped me a lot with understanding.

I aquired it on my travels,along with some excellent flint and chert samples,recently.

I had no idea what it was at the time.But the strongly blue cast of the stones appealed to me and whenI picked this one particular piece up it resonated with me,powerfully.

[Belial]

Well I don't do too well on general scope questions but I'll give it a go anyway.Other than making an excellent offering that could easily inspire even some of the most potent fire beings to aid you , granted I advise against using something of that quality as an offering , it can be used for a few other things I will try to think of off the top of my head.For starters you can use it to help identify latent fire aligned energy.The fact it resonated so strongly with you could well signify that you have an affinity for fire yourself.Another potential use is Alchemy , I doubt you need much explanation here but again I wouldn't use it for this either.Yet another potential implication is use in enchantments and the like.Personally I would only use it to identify fire aligned energy and enchantments , other than that I would be holed up in my cave admiring it and slaying any who dare defile it.Also another note the fact it resonated with you like that , it could potentially enhance some of your workings in general but I couldn't really be too specific here unless I actually got to study and examine the two of you and look into the matter.You'd have to experiment with it to see what aspects it relates with to you.

Anyway I hope that helps a bit.I'm always like this.My mind get's bad reception and it takes a few good whacks before anything comes in clear.Usually these whacks are in the form of questions.Guess my station's just outdated.Still plenty of good shows on though.

[Nahemah]

I would only use it to identify fire aligned energy and enchantments , other than that I would be holed up in my cave admiring it and slaying any who dare defile it.Also another note the fact it resonated with you like that , it could potentially enhance some of your workings in general but I couldn't really be too specific here unless I actually got to study and examine the two of you and look into the matter.You'd have to experiment with it to see what aspects it relates with to you.

Hehe,while I must deny any relation to a Dragonesque being,I do get it out and admire it often and no one else is allowed to handle it,lol.
My pretty,mine!

[Belial]

Yes , perfectly understandable.Just like the government must always blame weather balloons.After all the NOAA is always hard at work developing exciting new prototype weather balloons for everybody to mistakenly identify.

I apologize , I could not resist.My humor isn't very shocking but it still takes the path of least resistance.I'm always ecstatic about my bad puns.My humor is a burning passion for me and conversation is the catalyst.There isn't anything groundbreaking about it but it does have solid roots.Forgive me , I cannot hold back my overflowing humor as it cascades down.

My humor is more amusing if you're really old.I crack elementals up left and right.

Alright I shall behave.The real joke is in what I did not say.Back on topic , your stone has great potential whatever you use it for.I would still personally advise only using it for identification , enchantments and admiration.

[Nahemah]

I love bad puns,I make many of them myself,on a daily basis.I think we share a similar sense of humour. [thumbup]

I am most pleased with my ore and here's a wee riddle for you:

I am not a Dragon,but I am a Daughter of Dragons and mother to a Dragon also,how can this be?

I know going off topic,again.But it is a bit relevant and relates to the elemental aspects of the topic.

[Belial]

Then by all technicality I will have to call you out on your previous post.You just pulled a move synonymous with modern politics.Actually disregard that part things haven't really changed much in that respect.Nevertheless this has proven to be a heated discussion.

[Solerus Silver]

Hmmm... So...

What is the ritual we are speaking about here? Anyone can clarify?

[Belial]

Well this wasn't really about a specific ritual per say as it was about as the title says , offerings for a fire elemental.

[Nahemah]

Re my last post in the topic : Chinese Astrology.

I am a Fire Horse,my father was a Dragon, my maternal grandmother too and my second born daughter is also a Dragon,they are all Metal Dragons also,lol.

I am very glad you are back Belial,we missed you. [yay]

[Belial]

If you want to get into that , well I'm an earth dragon.I feel it's very fitting all things considered.Anyway it's good to be back.

[Clockwork Ghost]

Ummm... just out of interest, why is this thread pinned to the top of the board? Its interesting for sure, but why is it pinned?

[Nahemah]

I later responded criticizing the idea stating that the objective was to appease a fire being not to simulate a fire as it would be like offering air to a wind elemental.

For this Case.There was an important distinction made and I felt it deserved attention.So I pinned it as an example,temporarily,at least.I have also considered pinning other topics,but not got back to doing so yet.I 'd like to do this,as it gives beginners a taste of thinking things through.I want to pin your post about beginners and summoning too,as it's excellent advice.

A bit of time and a little collation is in order first,but I was thinking of making one topic,a la hints and advice from experienced occultists kind of thing,similar to a FAQ and including some recent and some archive posts which stand out particularly.


I also managed to delete the original,by mistake when I was moving the topic and that was a sore one, I was kicking myself.Won't do that again in a hurry,lol.

[ΙΟΛΗ7]

This question is almost a trap,cause there are many things we can suggest here..if we consider that fire is a symbol of energy and passion,we can offer a symbolic item such as a rose or a rodonite stone maybe...on the other hand fire is also considered masculine and brings up images of volcanoes,so an offering of a lava gemstone is also included...the fire element also has a lot to do with our mood,right? Maybe we can select then a personal item of ours (very personal and sacred),which is connected in our minds with the change of our mood...maybe a bell or something else.

[Rin]

I've always considered fire to be a very dual element. It destroys, but in so, gives heat and life, it changes what it touches from one state to another, it can slice down from the sky as lightning, or burst up through the earth as magma, too much or too little and each of the elements is thrown out of order (too much heat and liquid > gas, water > air, too little heat and air to water, then to solid, earth, and so on). It nurtures too, and provides guidance, because without heat all things would die, and without light we would be blind. The gift of fire is said to be the first given to civilization (or stolen from the gods, depending on your preferred mythos). To me, it's the element of origin and transformation, courage and willpower and primal desire.

Personally, I don't feel the need to ascribe gender designations to the elements, I feel each has it's own balance of masculine and feminine qualities. They've all been represented by both male and female deities and spirits throughout human history, and I feel that by defining an element as one gender or the other, you focus only on one aspect of it and lose sight of the whole. Any element can be creative or destructive, nurturing or damaging in turn. There isn't one element we could live without, but any of them would destroy us in too great a quantity or out of balance.

Anyone none of that really answers the question, I just got kind of caught up in the subject, I feel a particularly affinity for fire and it's always held a certain fascination for me, as has air. I know ideally a magician should strive for balance and observe and utilize all 4 equally, but I guess that's something I need to work on

[manonthepath]

Consider that fire represents action in many cultures and contexts. This may not be everyone's style, but consider going out for a run or an intense hike. The activity brings fire to the body and encourages change. If you work out regularly, you can offer the sweat from each workout. This activity can be offered to whichever form of the elemental you wish to connect with. In Chinese alchemy fire represents growth toward a transformation,you may also consider changing something drastic in your life (we all have things we need to improve in ourselves). The more challenging the change, the greater the offering.

[Ouroboress]

Unlit matches!

The embodiment of potential.