The incorrect ways of sexuality and the needs of magick

[astrolabgoz9881]

I am not a visionary man and I am simply using an imagination that is not perfect to think out of the box, often in an "anti-society" as I call it way, out of the modern world, their norms and out of the 20th/21st century box.
Alas, this time is a spot in an universal stream that lasts enormously longer than what we call modern times. One of myriads of things that has changed over history is the views of sexuality, and I'll go straight and explain that most of the time and space we share with the rest of the inhabitants of this world, perhaps many of our reincarnations or for some not, what is defined as pedophilia than banned in 20th century by the regulations in the whole world used to be viewed just as a natural way of sexuality. Am I right? Yes, with quite a digging in the rare books.
Eastern priests in Egypt often seen Ethiopians as unclean back in medieval times for example, but many stories that still go around in Eastern Christianity and Oriental Christianity were that strange Ethiopian boys tempted early Christian priests and hermits as demons and were drawning their souls into "mortal sin of lust". Hm, quite an experience for them. But what we define as minors and underage in modern world with only modern tradition and is not that brand new but quite modern, could still be found on a group sex menu some hundred years ago, etc. So, believe it or not we lost much connection to the world of magicians prior to Llewellyn and we don't recall much how a human being just had to have certain mental properties to perform sex rituals, also with adults, and add much of nowadays non-mainstream peepz and places. We see them as pedophiles and underground, they might live in NY city but, hey air in NY city ain't as clean as in a mountain in Carpathia where a family of vamp witches might spend their time, having a hereditary tradition in family... would they give up on teaching very young offsprings sex rites, and would a bunch of LHP in some dark corner of the world abstain every time from taking, hm... Why?
Temporary is our civilization called the modern world, simple imagination might take its further development in unseen ways. A day spent with imagination is not a wasted day!

[Shinichi]

The problem is not "age," per se. Plenty of teens want to and do have sex. The problem is this little thing called "consent," how society as a collective and the law makers who represent them define consent, how to decide when someone is mature enough to understand consent and either keep it or give it rationally, and what to do when consent is ignored (ie, rape).

Personally, I consider most people under the age of thirty to be irrational children. And many people over the age of thirty, too.

And while this is an interesting sociological and philosophical problem that I've contemplated since I was very young, I don't really get why it's particularly relevant to magic. Sexual rites aren't really that important in most strong traditions even though they can be potent, though perhaps precisely because of that potency immature and irrational youths shouldn't be doing them anyway.

It is the responsibility of every generation to question the value of inherited tradition, and this is a subject where that is done with every generation. Thus, we stand where we do. Just because a Way is old doesn't mean it was inherently right. For the Old Way to be replaced by more effective and more efficient ways is called evolution.



~:Shin:~

[lupenthewolf]

Personally I don't, and won't, mix sex and magick. While it might prove potent, I don't feel sex has any place in magickal practice.

[astrolabgoz9881]

The problem is not "age," per se. Plenty of teens want to and do have sex. The problem is this little thing called "consent," how society as a collective and the law makers who represent them define consent, how to decide when someone is mature enough to understand consent and either keep it or give it rationally, and what to do when consent is ignored (ie, rape).

Personally, I consider most people under the age of thirty to be irrational children. And many people over the age of thirty, too.

And while this is an interesting sociological and philosophical problem that I've contemplated since I was very young, I don't really get why it's particularly relevant to magic. Sexual rites aren't really that important in most strong traditions even though they can be potent, though perhaps precisely because of that potency immature and irrational youths shouldn't be doing them anyway.

It is the responsibility of every generation to question the value of inherited tradition, and this is a subject where that is done with every generation. Thus, we stand where we do. Just because a Way is old doesn't mean it was inherently right



~:Shin:~

Agreed about 98%

. For the Old Way to be replaced by more effective and more efficient ways is called evolution.

Disagreed. Species, breeds and specimens a.k.a individuals don't just literally evolve as time goes by, that is the most inconsistent deceivement of evolution science... but according to just mention GI Gurdjieff they go down and up the evolution stream and involution stream coincidentally. At least for now I don't see only evolution, I accept possibility of involution! The system kicks ass inplanting ideas in our minds, same as with evolution only theory, our inconsistence helps it grow, leading us down the involution, up the evolution just reciprocally to our inconsistence...

Personally I don't, and won't, mix sex and magick. While it might prove potent, I don't feel sex has any place in magickal practice.

Agreed ur choice. The best chosen is one that fits etc.

[astrolabgoz9881]

Btw. I always think of Crowley as a sage for an example. He had kinda tyrant personality and was prosacrifice...