Difference between Luciferianism and Satanism

[Atzmuth]

Well mostly people think Luciferianism and Satanism are the same thing or close to each other. When I saw Lusciferianism under the Satanism section in the forum, I was shocked. Becouse Luciferianism and Satanism are really different from each other. As to list the differences;

Satanism

-Self-Centered.
-Follows Left-Hand Path.
-Materialistic and Carnal.
-The welfare and happiness of the self comes first.
-Based on ,focus on survival, power, self-indulgence and materialism.

Luciferianism

-Helping Others.
-Luciferians seek ways to aid humanity’s progression to the next stage of social, physical or intellectual evolution.
-Follows Right-Hand Path.
-Isnt Materialistic and Carnal.

In order to summerize, Sataism deals with self while Luciferianism Deals with the whole humankind.

Know the Difference [tongue]

[manonthepath]

On what sources are your arguments based?

[Atzmuth]

http://altreligion.about.com/od/alterna ... anists.htm

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/lu ... anism.html

http://www.the600club.com/topic65314-1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism

Hope it is enough. [thumbup]

[Sypheara]

Pretty horrific sources you have there.

There are many Luciferian and gnostic satanic orders out there that break both categories you are attempting to pigeon hole a very diverse set of belief structures into.

Gnostic Satanists for example hate the material world, and they want everything and everyone in it to be annihilated and released to spirit as its a prison. This is very similar, pretty identical even to original gnostic belief but swapped with anti cosmic imagery. Such a view definetly deals with all of humankind and this is just one example of a belief that breaks the above black white paintbrushing.

An example of such an order would be ordo volucer serpentis or the temple of the black light.

[Atzmuth]

Gnostic Satanists for example hate the material world, and they want everything and everyone in it to be annihilated and released to spirit as its a prison.

Well do they have any members? Or a better question: Had they any???? [rofl]

Then can you please explain the difference between Luciferainsm and Satanism?
Becouse your statement confused me

[Sypheara]

They have quite a few members, and a small library of printed works. There are others but I have forgotten their names. I have quite quite a collection of literature from them, which can be difficult to acquire.

My statement is confusing because you are trying to categorise Luciferian and Satanism into neat boxes, which they cannot be because of the very nature of what they are. What some people would describe as Luciferian someone else might describe as Satanic, as the definitions are different.

Ergo it is not really possible to explain it. Someone from a Gnostic Satanist / Luciferian group may describe their belief as either term. In addition, such a group as described would argue they are following a sinistral path, ie left hand path, but also believe in theistic satanic deities working to destroy cosmos and order that they align with, breaking ergo the modern definition of it being about Self. Therefore applying LHP and RHP to one or the other is also no particularly applicable.

The statement was written in haste so ill quickly summarise it. The core tenet of Gnostic Luciferianism/Satanism is that everything was originally united in a chaotic all, without form or substance, but then it was forced t o manifest through a mistaken act of creation that caused the material universe to be created and spirit to become trapped in matter. This emanation caused two forces to form, one of creative white darkness, that disguises itself as light and angelic forms, and destructive black light. This black light appears demonic to forms that live within matter as the beings that create it wish to return the universe to a state before creation and dont contain the sight to see the prison within which they are actually trapped.

Such practitioners work with the forces of that light in an attempt to dissolve back into Ayn/Ain/Ein, chaos, nothingness and pure potential and ultimate freedom, opposing the false and impure creative force which has appropriated spirit for its own tyrannical ends.

There are several orders that follow this base mythology, and are just example of one particular strain of Satanism/Luciferianism, and you don't have to go far to find a very different type of Satanism - La Veyan which is based purely around self, no higher goals, carnal desire, and believes the physical world is the only existent one in an atheistic sense.

In other words, both call themselves satanic for example, but are completely opposed to each other. If its so difficult to have a consensus within a group, its not really possible to draw conclusions on how satanism AND luciferianism interact.

[manofsands]

The core tenet of Gnostic Luciferianism/Satanism is that everything was originally united in a chaotic all, without form or substance, but then it was forced t o manifest through a mistaken act of creation that caused the material universe to be created and spirit to become trapped in matter.

This isn't directly on topic, but I just wanted to note... there are other religions/philosophies that state creation is a mistake, an accident... even a prison. I can see this from a relative human position, but I could never believe spiritually, cosmically that all reality is a universal Oops. An I couldn't see it anymore as a prison than a school... which I must admit, does conjure some similarities

[Klavier]

Hehe.

"To say that such things are possible outside the laws of Nature, and by an influence contrary to universal harmony, is to affirm that the spirit of disorder, darkness and death can be sovereign arbiter of life. Let us not dispute with worshippers of the Devil, but pass on."

- Eliphas Levi

[Nemiel]

Pretty horrific sources you have there.

There are many Luciferian and gnostic satanic orders out there that break both categories you are attempting to pigeon hole a very diverse set of belief structures into.

Gnostic Satanists for example hate the material world, and they want everything and everyone in it to be annihilated and released to spirit...

Thanks for this post, I am currently compiling information about the Gnostics.

I have recently been delving into the world of the Gnostics, I bought myself a copy of "The Gnostics and Their Remains - Ancient and Medieval" by Charles William King, he was a gemologist and the book shows how Gnostics "penetrate" different belief systems using a blend of ostensive definition and Platonic metaphysics, cosmogony and the epistemology of the forms presented as ontology.

One of the most frustrating problems I encounter often is the binding of different belief structures, which is (up to the present) always attributed to the Gnostics, their aims are to universalize all beliefs using their ideas.

The book by King gives a detailed account of the presence of the Gnostics in many belief systems, but what is the most intriguing is the link to Zoroastrianism - the Gnostics are the Zoroastrians who went underground.

They are relentless in spreading their tainted view of the physical and worship of the external ideal, their ideas are present in Kabballah too.

[Master Baphomet]

Lucifer ("light bringer") is nothing more than a Latin transliteration of the Hebrew word heylel ("light-bearer") - a term for the Morning Star/Venus that occurs only once in the entire Bible and there it is used as a metaphor comparing a dead king of Babylon to the Morning Star (Venus), in a single passage that tells the Jews to mock the dead Babylonian ruler with the following taunt:

"How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers....Sheol [the grave] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations....How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Lucifer ("light-bringer"), as an appellation for Venus is not the name of a supernatural entity, except in modern folklore based upon an erroneous and oft-repeated misunderstanding of the above passage.

Satan, or more properly HaSatan, is a title meaning "He who challenges" in Hebrew, which was applied to one of the Ben Elohim ("sons of God") whose job it was to test mortals to determine their faithfulness to Yahweh.

Satan should not be confused (but always is) with the fallen angel Azazel, who was cast out of heaven and imprisoned underground in the desert of Dudael for disobeying Yahweh's prohibition against the sons of God (angels) from having sex with mortal women.

Unlike Azazel, Satan was never banished from heaven and is free to enter into Yahweh's presence at will, and likewise is able to wander the earth whither he will, as is made clear in the Book of Job.

Neither the angel Satan, nor the Morning Star, Lucifer, are the "devil" of Christian folklore. The only fallen angel having those attributes is the angel Azazel.

[Ramscha]

Satan, or more properly HaSatan, is a title meaning "He who challenges" in Hebrew, which was applied to one of the Ben Elohim ("sons of God") whose job it was to test mortals to determine their faithfulness to Yahweh.

Satan should not be confused (but always is) with the fallen angel Azazel, who was cast out of heaven and imprisoned underground in the desert of Dudael for disobeying Yahweh's prohibition against the sons of God (angels) from having sex with mortal women.

Unlike Azazel, Satan was never banished from heaven and is free to enter into Yahweh's presence at will, and likewise is able to wander the earth whither he will, as is made clear in the Book of Job.

A very nice picture which is quite nicely demonstrated by Goethe in his masterpiece "Faust", though his figure is called Mephisto in this case. Though it is not really something one would consider an "occult script" I would like to point out that Goethe included many classical pictures, figures of speech and elements into his work of which a wannabe magician can learn a lot when it comes to the classics.

Ramscha

[Master Baphomet]

Satan, or more properly HaSatan, is a title meaning "He who challenges" in Hebrew, which was applied to one of the Ben Elohim ("sons of God") whose job it was to test mortals to determine their faithfulness to Yahweh.

Satan should not be confused (but always is) with the fallen angel Azazel, who was cast out of heaven and imprisoned underground in the desert of Dudael for disobeying Yahweh's prohibition against the sons of God (angels) from having sex with mortal women.

Unlike Azazel, Satan was never banished from heaven and is free to enter into Yahweh's presence at will, and likewise is able to wander the earth whither he will, as is made clear in the Book of Job.

A very nice picture which is quite nicely demonstrated by Goethe in his masterpiece "Faust", though his figure is called Mephisto in this case. Though it is not really something one would consider an "occult script" I would like to point out that Goethe included many classical pictures, figures of speech and elements into his work of which a wannabe magician can learn a lot when it comes to the classics.

Ramscha

Of all reference to Satan, The Book of Job paints the most accurate picture of the nature of this character:

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and among these was one called Satan who came together along with the others.

And the LORD said unto Satan, "Where have you been?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going here and there upon the earth, and from walking back and forth upon it."

And the LORD said unto Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one like him on the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one who fears God, and eschews evil?"

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? Have you not placed a barrier around him, and about his house, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But reach out with your hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face."

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he has is under your power; only keep your hands off of him. Whereupon Satan took his leave from the LORD'S presence.

[Sypheara]

Pretty horrific sources you have there.

There are many Luciferian and gnostic satanic orders out there that break both categories you are attempting to pigeon hole a very diverse set of belief structures into.

Gnostic Satanists for example hate the material world, and they want everything and everyone in it to be annihilated and released to spirit...

Thanks for this post, I am currently compiling information about the Gnostics.

I have recently been delving into the world of the Gnostics, I bought myself a copy of "The Gnostics and Their Remains - Ancient and Medieval" by Charles William King, he was a gemologist and the book shows how Gnostics "penetrate" different belief systems using a blend of ostensive definition and Platonic metaphysics, cosmogony and the epistemology of the forms presented as ontology.

One of the most frustrating problems I encounter often is the binding of different belief structures, which is (up to the present) always attributed to the Gnostics, their aims are to universalize all beliefs using their ideas.

The book by King gives a detailed account of the presence of the Gnostics in many belief systems, but what is the most intriguing is the link to Zoroastrianism - the Gnostics are the Zoroastrians who went underground.

They are relentless in spreading their tainted view of the physical and worship of the external ideal, their ideas are present in Kabballah too.

No problem at all. I have access to several books on this particular strain and current that are difficult to come by, if you any specific questions, im not a follower of that path per se, but ive done a bit of research into it.

[Nemiel]

No problem at all. I have access to several books on this particular strain and current that are difficult to come by, if you any specific questions, im not a follower of that path per se, but ive done a bit of research into it.

Sounds great! No doubt I will have some questions, have you got access to Skype, or some other medium where audio/video is possible?

[Hadit]

93,

There aren't many sources on Luciferianism because it's very unique and open. It's purely archetypal which makes things like dogma absolutely impossible. Hearing explanations from members is the absolute best source. Here's a really good one:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/lu ... icles.html

[Sypheara]

No problem at all. I have access to several books on this particular strain and current that are difficult to come by, if you any specific questions, im not a follower of that path per se, but ive done a bit of research into it.

Sounds great! No doubt I will have some questions, have you got access to Skype, or some other medium where audio/video is possible?

I do, but getting the time, plus the timezone difference, might make that very difficult. It might better to do it written and then if something is being lost in written translation, then try and get some time arranged when we can talk. Id love to, its just difficult at the moment as im ran off my feet.

Send me a pm?

93,

There aren't many sources on Luciferianism because it's very unique and open. It's purely archetypal which makes things like dogma absolutely impossible. Hearing explanations from members is the absolute best source. Here's a really good one:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/lu ... icles.html

That is an ok link for describing one particular type of luciferianism for sure. Definetly hearing from those who practice it is the best source - it just pays in my mind to be aware that although there is less dogma, it doesnt stop wildly differing strains from sprouting. Because humans will be human afterall. But that is what gives it power and merit in my eyes.

[Klavier]

Lucifer ("light bringer") is nothing more than a Latin transliteration of the Hebrew word heylel ("light-bearer") - a term for the Morning Star/Venus that occurs only once in the entire Bible and there it is used as a metaphor comparing a dead king of Babylon to the Morning Star (Venus), in a single passage that tells the Jews to mock the dead Babylonian ruler with the following taunt:

"How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers....Sheol [the grave] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations....How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Lucifer ("light-bringer"), as an appellation for Venus is not the name of a supernatural entity, except in modern folklore based upon an erroneous and oft-repeated misunderstanding of the above passage.

Satan, or more properly HaSatan, is a title meaning "He who challenges" in Hebrew, which was applied to one of the Ben Elohim ("sons of God") whose job it was to test mortals to determine their faithfulness to Yahweh.

Satan should not be confused (but always is) with the fallen angel Azazel, who was cast out of heaven and imprisoned underground in the desert of Dudael for disobeying Yahweh's prohibition against the sons of God (angels) from having sex with mortal women.

Unlike Azazel, Satan was never banished from heaven and is free to enter into Yahweh's presence at will, and likewise is able to wander the earth whither he will, as is made clear in the Book of Job.

Neither the angel Satan, nor the Morning Star, Lucifer, are the "devil" of Christian folklore. The only fallen angel having those attributes is the angel Azazel.

Such ignorance is really outrageous. It seems that your concept of "Satan" is only based on the Old Testament where THERE IS NO SATAN. Understood? It's not "Satan" in the Book of Job, it's "the satan (the accuser)".

As for the Morning Star of Isaiah, again, it doesn't speak of an angel. As for Azazel, he was just one of the Watchers (not even their leader) who just sinned against God, they didn't rebel. However, Satan is indeed mentioned in the Book of Enoch as a King of a Fiery Kingdom where Azazel, Samyaza and all the other Elohim who sinned shall be tortured forever.

Satan is actually a concept of the New Testament, and He is the "Lord of this world" and an entity directly opposed to God. Period. Get over it. Everything else is Jewish, not Christian or Satanic.

So, there is no "Lucifer" and thus there cannot be "Luciferianism" either. A Luciferian is someone who worships the Grecoroman idol of Lucifer, which represents the planet Venus. However, because of this misconception, it's not impossible that a demon may appear and claim he is Lucifer, because he'll know you'll believe he is the "Lord of the demons", and, believe me, that's something demons do like. Giving them credits I mean.

Additionally, what I have to suggest is that, if you ever manage to open a demon Sigil and communicate with a demon in human tongue (it's pretty difficult to make them appear before you while you are awake and speak to you like humans), and he claims that he is "Lucifer" or "the Devil", you'll have to start asking him really persistently, "Are you Satan, the Lord of the demons?" And here's the catch: He'll probably won't answer if you don't threaten him, because he lied to you, yet if he lies to that question he'll be sinning against Satan, and believe me, no demon wants that. Personally, I do believe that Lord Satan is everywhere. You don't need to invoke Him. Just invoke other demons and He'll give you strength to cooperate with them and achieve success through your rituals. The Lord actually says to you, "Do what is required to succeed through My minions and My Laws of magick, and you shall succeed, for I always watch you."

Personally, I've seen many strange and dark apparitions, and I know that when you see them you should never be scared, or they'll literally feed on your energy and bring you bad luck, some times even diseases, injuries or accidents. And you must always be prepared to see something "dreadful" before you if you perform rituals and practice magick. It's very common to perform a ritual and (willfully or not) invoke a spirit that doesn't really want or care about your wellbeing, and it's even more common to think that there is none except you in the room, and a few days later your life starts getting ruined and you see strange dreams.

In fact, that's what happened to me and I was sick and idle for one or two months, until I invoked Choronzon and he set things right. You don't fuck with Choronzon, man. I can fucking send cancer to anyone I want through his majestic power. Praise the LORD! HalleluSatan.

[Ramscha]

Lucifer ("light bringer") is nothing more than a Latin transliteration of the Hebrew word heylel ("light-bearer") - a term for the Morning Star/Venus that occurs only once in the entire Bible and there it is used as a metaphor comparing a dead king of Babylon to the Morning Star (Venus), in a single passage that tells the Jews to mock the dead Babylonian ruler with the following taunt:

"How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers....Sheol [the grave] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations....How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Lucifer ("light-bringer"), as an appellation for Venus is not the name of a supernatural entity, except in modern folklore based upon an erroneous and oft-repeated misunderstanding of the above passage.

Satan, or more properly HaSatan, is a title meaning "He who challenges" in Hebrew, which was applied to one of the Ben Elohim ("sons of God") whose job it was to test mortals to determine their faithfulness to Yahweh.

Satan should not be confused (but always is) with the fallen angel Azazel, who was cast out of heaven and imprisoned underground in the desert of Dudael for disobeying Yahweh's prohibition against the sons of God (angels) from having sex with mortal women.

Unlike Azazel, Satan was never banished from heaven and is free to enter into Yahweh's presence at will, and likewise is able to wander the earth whither he will, as is made clear in the Book of Job.

Neither the angel Satan, nor the Morning Star, Lucifer, are the "devil" of Christian folklore. The only fallen angel having those attributes is the angel Azazel.

Such ignorance is really outrageous. It seems that your concept of "Satan" is only based on the Old Testament where THERE IS NO SATAN. Understood? It's not "Satan" in the Book of Job, it's "the satan (the accuser)".

As for the Morning Star of Isaiah, again, it doesn't speak of an angel. As for Azazel, he was just one of the Watchers (not even their leader) who just sinned against God, they didn't rebel. However, Satan is indeed mentioned in the Book of Enoch as a King of a Fiery Kingdom where Azazel, Samyaza and all the other Elohim who sinned shall be tortured forever.

Satan is actually a concept of the New Testament, and He is the "Lord of this world" and an entity directly opposed to God. Period. Get over it. Everything else is Jewish, not Christian or Satanic.

So, there is no "Lucifer" and thus there cannot be "Luciferianism" either. A Luciferian is someone who worships the Grecoroman idol of Lucifer, which represents the planet Venus. However, because of this misconception, it's not impossible that a demon may appear and claim he is Lucifer, because he'll know you'll believe he is the "Lord of the demons", and, believe me, that's something demons do like. Giving them credits I mean.

Additionally, what I have to suggest is that, if you ever manage to open a demon Sigil and communicate with a demon in human tongue (it's pretty difficult to make them appear before you while you are awake and speak to you like humans), and he claims that he is "Lucifer" or "the Devil", you'll have to start asking him really persistently, "Are you Satan, the Lord of the demons?" And here's the catch: He'll probably won't answer if you don't threaten him, because he lied to you, yet if he lies to that question he'll be sinning against Satan, and believe me, no demon wants that.

Personally, I've seen many strange and dark apparitions, and I know that when you see them you should never be scared, or they'll literally feed on your energy and bring you bad luck, some times even diseases, injuries or accidents. And you must always be prepared to see something "dreadful" before you if you perform rituals and practice magick. It's very common to perform a ritual and (willfully or not) invoke a spirit that doesn't really want or care about your wellbeing, and it's even more common to think that there is none except you in the room, and a few days later your life starts getting ruined and you see strange dreams.

In fact, that's what happened to me and I was sick and idle for one or two months, until I invoked Choronzon and he set things right. You don't fuck with Choronzon, man. I can fucking send cancer to anyone I want through his majestic power. Praise the LORD! HalleluSatan.

And in the end it comes all back to unverifiable personal gnosis, anectdotal evidence claimed to be the one and only truth in existence..
Hail an almighty pseudosatanic parasite who sucks from choronzon to cause a cell status present in all of us everyday a hundred times

[Klavier]

"Unverifiable personal gnosis". Ok, next time I'll take pictures. lol. Just mentioned my experience, what's your fucking problem?

Naaahhh. I can't perform a hundred rituals in a single day.

[Ramscha]

"Unverifiable personal gnosis". Ok, next time I'll take pictures. lol. Just mentioned my experience, what's your fucking problem?

Naaahhh. I can't perform a hundred rituals in a single day.

Just those two things. But nevermind my humble self:

Additionally, what I have to suggest is that, if you ever manage to open a demon Sigil and communicate with a demon in human tongue (it's pretty difficult to make them appear before you while you are awake and speak to you like humans), and he claims that he is "Lucifer" or "the Devil", you'll have to start asking him really persistently, "Are you Satan, the Lord of the demons?" And here's the catch: He'll probably won't answer if you don't threaten him, because he lied to you, yet if he lies to that question he'll be sinning against Satan, and believe me, no demon wants that.

Personally, I've seen many strange and dark apparitions, and I know that when you see them you should never be scared, or they'll literally feed on your energy and bring you bad luck, some times even diseases, injuries or accidents. And you must always be prepared to see something "dreadful" before you if you perform rituals and practice magick. It's very common to perform a ritual and (willfully or not) invoke a spirit that doesn't really want or care about your wellbeing, and it's even more common to think that there is none except you in the room, and a few days later your life starts getting ruined and you see strange dreams.

Edit: Oh, and of course the thing with the cancer which made my day.... even though the day is technically nearly over by now.

[Klavier]

"Unverifiable personal gnosis". Ok, next time I'll take pictures. lol. Just mentioned my experience, what's your fucking problem?

Naaahhh. I can't perform a hundred rituals in a single day.

Just those two things. But nevermind my humble self:

Additionally, what I have to suggest is that, if you ever manage to open a demon Sigil and communicate with a demon in human tongue (it's pretty difficult to make them appear before you while you are awake and speak to you like humans), and he claims that he is "Lucifer" or "the Devil", you'll have to start asking him really persistently, "Are you Satan, the Lord of the demons?" And here's the catch: He'll probably won't answer if you don't threaten him, because he lied to you, yet if he lies to that question he'll be sinning against Satan, and believe me, no demon wants that.

Personally, I've seen many strange and dark apparitions, and I know that when you see them you should never be scared, or they'll literally feed on your energy and bring you bad luck, some times even diseases, injuries or accidents. And you must always be prepared to see something "dreadful" before you if you perform rituals and practice magick. It's very common to perform a ritual and (willfully or not) invoke a spirit that doesn't really want or care about your wellbeing, and it's even more common to think that there is none except you in the room, and a few days later your life starts getting ruined and you see strange dreams.

Edit: Oh, and of course the thing with the cancer which made my day.... even though the day is technically nearly over by now.

Well, kind of trolling actually. But the other unfaithful Judeosatanic / atheist asshole fell for it, so I'll do it again.

[Klavier]

Seriously though, don't ever mess with Choronzon. I've accomplished many spiteful things for my benefit through him.

NOTE: This post has been found to be needlessly confrontational towards another forum member. It has been edited, and the author has been warned.

[Ramscha]

Seriously though, don't ever mess with Choronzon. I've accomplished many spiteful things for my benefit through him.

I see you are true follower of the LHP, my friend.

Hmm, but not to go OT.
I guess Baphomet pretty much nailed it regarding Lucifer. What I want to add is the parallel between the concept of lucifer as the light bearer and the greek titan Prometheus. Even though the concept of Lucifer as "Devil" is more or less a missconception its interpretation of Lulu as the rebellious Angel thrown out of heaven is so widespread that it still deserves some credit as offering some valuabele points for approach. Since Prometheus is the older concept maybe we have a precurser or inspiration of some sort but I admit that I am not that knowing about the greek-roman cultural relations so it is just a thoughtplay of mine.

Ramscha

[Hadit]

93.

Uh, since there's nothing satanic about Lucifer how exactly is pseudo-satanism even coming up? Unless we're talking Christianized satanism, pseudo-satanism is pretty much nonexistent because absolutely everyone is an adversary to someone and embodies the archetype at some point.

[Klavier]

Seriously though, don't ever fuck with Choronzon, bitch. I've accomplished many spiteful things for my benefit through him.

I see you are true follower of the LHP, my friend.

Hmm, but not to go OT.
I guess Baphomet pretty much nailed it regarding Lucifer. What I want to add is the parallel between the concept of lucifer as the light bearer and the greek titan Prometheus. Even though the concept of Lucifer as "Devil" is more or less a missconception its interpretation of Lulu as the rebellious Angel thrown out of heaven is so widespread that it still deserves some credit as offering some valuabele points for approach. Since Prometheus is the older concept maybe we have a precurser or inspiration of some sort but I admit that I am not that knowing about the greek-roman cultural relations so it is just a thoughtplay of mine.

Ramscha

Actually the Morning Star of the Old Testament cannot be identified with Prometheus either. Prometheus was a humanist. PROMETHEUS IS AZAZEL. They both abandoned their celestial place by their own will to sin against God; the first one did it purely because of humanism, the second both for the sake of humanism and his lust. Both Azazel and Prometheus gave the exact same things to humanity though.

But, Lucifer and Prometheus... I see no connection at all. Isaiah's Lucifer did what he did purely for his pride. Prometheus and Azazel never wanted to ascend even higher, they were only compassionate and lustful. As for Lucifer, Heosphorus, Phosphorus (the Grecoroman idol representing Venus), well, no connection at all once again. Their job was to drag the "chariot of Helios (Sun)" so that there will be morning again. Thus, all three names mean "Bringer of the Light". And all these things are bullshit, of course. Plato was laughing at the conception that the stars are deities, and many great greek philosophers were monotheistic, or at least, didn't believe in idols.

93.

Uh, since there's nothing satanic about Lucifer how exactly is pseudo-satanism even coming up? Unless we're talking Christianized satanism, pseudo-satanism is pretty much nonexistent because absolutely everyone is an adversary to someone and embodies the archetype at some point.

WTF did I just read? So, whoever is an adversary is a Satanist just because "Satan" means "Adversary"?

Let's quote a great man's words now. Not too sophisticated or philosophical, but absolutely correct:

"Satanism comes from religious Christianity, and there it shall stay. I'm a religious person and I will fight those who misuse His name. People are not supposed to believe in themselves and be individualists. They are supposed to OBEY, to be the SLAVES of religion."