Please read this thread. I'm bad with titles.

[Haelos]

I'm new to these forums, but I'm well practiced in the arts I study.

I hate to come here with my first post being a question, but I have a hard time taking anyone else's opinion on the esoteric seriously, especially when it comes to the internet. Google only goes so far, and I know no one else who might assist me.
As the title states, I really just wanted anyone who's interest I sparked to take a look and share their thoughts.

First and foremost, I have a problem in properly stating my intent. The issue lies in the fact that there are very few things I truly desire. I simply wish to live a simple, happy life, and learn all that I can in the short time I have in the mortal realm.

And as for my question..
Is it better, when performing magick, to state the intent in a single, poweful burst of thought?
Or is it still just as safe to spread the intent across multiple thought processes?

A seemingly simple question. I hope someone with a little bit more knowledge can offer some guidance.
And I'm open to hearing absolutely any ones opinion on the subject.

Depending on how well this thread goes, and how well I gauge the community here, I may decide to stick around and make this my go-to source of friendly chat and mindbookshelf building.
I know this was a very poor attempt at starting a thread. I'm a terrible person, I'm sorry. I just do stuff bad. [cry2]

[Haelos]

Bump.

Nobody has an opinion to share?
I know a decent few of you have read this...

[Ramscha]

It is just one day, give it some time! You cannot force the guys to answer if they don't want to or have no time currently. Reading is one thing, taking the time to write a decent post is a another one.

Ramscha

[Haelos]

It is just one day, give it some time! You cannot force the guys to answer if they don't want to or have no time currently. Reading is one thing, taking the time to write a decent post is a another one.

Ramscha

I apologize. On most forums I've been subscribed to, a thread is considered dead if it doesn't get a response in about the first five minutes of posting.
With a forum as large as this, I'd imagine it would be the same.

[akimbomoss]

a thread is considered dead if it doesn't get a response in about the first five minutes of posting.

I've never heard of this before. Which forum is that?

[DarkSchneider]

I've seen many works which seem to suggest using a burst of thought or the multiple thought processes. I think it really depends on your methods. I actually had some difficulty with a similar problem. But as far as I know, there's room to experiment.

I think this would be a good time to search yourself, if you can't seem to "find" anything else you desire. If you really can't think of anything else you desire, then what you said about living a happy life and learning are good desires. Should you want to build upon those ideas, then ask yourself what it would take to get to those objectives.

What do you presently work with? What are your prefer styles of magick and philosophies?

[Shinichi]

First and foremost, I have a problem in properly stating my intent. The issue lies in the fact that there are very few things I truly desire. I simply wish to live a simple, happy life, and learn all that I can in the short time I have in the mortal realm.

Do some contemplative meditation on the nature of intent and desire. You have plenty of intent and desire all the time, but you're thinking of big things instead of little things. When you read this, you are using your intent to move your eyes across the screen and read, and you are intentionally thinking of what this information means to you. It will spark a desire to reply, and you will use your intent to move your fingers across the keyboard to type, and again to click the "submit" button.

Think of the small things, not the big things, and you'll begin to understand the nature of intent. Once you understand what intent is, then you can better understand how to state it and use it.

And as for my question..
Is it better, when performing magick, to state the intent in a single, poweful burst of thought?
Or is it still just as safe to spread the intent across multiple thought processes?

This is a question of circumstance, not a question of general magic.

If you're at a family reunion and one cousin is about to beat up another, and you cast a soothing spell to calm everyone down and magically de-escalate things, you want to use a big burst of concentrated energy behind your spell so that it has the power behind it to actualize your intent. Otherwise, the spell wont have enough power to work, or it will work too slowly.

If you're trying to make a long term change -- like a complex healing, improving your luck, conquering a vice, or spiritual evolution -- then in that circumstance it is better to give multiple, maybe even smaller efforts that add up over time instead of one big burst. Like mystics have always said, it is better to practice a little every day then a whole lot once, and it is with this perspective that long term change is achieved. If you save a dollar every day for a million days, you'll become a millionaire.

And as for your concerns about making a bad thread, take a deep breath and let go of that nonsense. Your thread is no worse than anyone else's, is better than many, and under no circumstance should the quality of a thread be a measure of your quality as a person. Ever.



~:Shin:~

[Haelos]

I'm going to try and keep this short and simple.

I mostly work with personal energy use. This takes a variety of forms, from utilizing mantras and meditation, to music and poetry, and more.
I do not call upon angels, demons, or the deceased. In fact, I'm very against calling the dead to do your work. Not because I see necromantic practices as immoral or anything like that, but because it is not healthy for a persons soul to be called back to the mortal from the hereafter.

I do not follow any religion. At least, I don't think I do. I believe religion was invented as mass population control, not for spiritual enlightenment. They just hid their premise under something everyone wanted at the time, and that was spirituality.
I'm very spiritually connected, but that can probably be blamed on hallucinogenic drug trips. We all know what really brings out the hippy.

I do not worship deity. I believe all gods do or have existed as separate entities, even if only as thoughtforms by the mass populace.
You could say that I worship myself to an extent, but I am not Satanic. But it's not just myself, it's all of human kind. I believe we are just as worthy of worship as gods, and we can one day become them ourselves, and sit along side (and inside) the grand architect.

Although, human kind it quite degraded in its current state.

I do not actually practice much but the occasional coincidental magick. Simple things that conform with the greater will of reality.
I have only performed a number of small rituals, and only two large-scale rituals. The first of the more advanced being the creation of a node in which to draw personal ki from, a single object to represent the entire universe and contain just as much energy.
I'm still waiting this one out to see the full long term effects.

The second being, at first, the creation of a mindless servitor that would remind me of things I already know at times I forget them. However, it quickly grew a decent amount of sentience, and I was able to hear it in my mind after only the third night of creation, although I still can't distinguish our thoughts from each other. Since then, I have given it the free will to evolve however it desires (save for it's form and name), and I also attempted to program in the ability to search for knowledge and bring it to me in small amounts while I sleep.

This thoughtform is the reason I created this thread, as it was something that I felt I truly desired.



Since this thread has no real topic, and my question was thoroughly answered, I'd like to ask more of the community.
I don't want to let this die yet, because I want to meet some of you to discuss things.
Since a few of you answered already, I leave this question to you as well:

Vulgar magick. You all know what it is. Magick that you can see. Pure aether willed and condensed into a malleable form. Fire and thunder from the finger tips. The kind of magick that makes you go, "That's impossible!"
I know it is possible. Not probable, but possible. I have a theories if anyone would like hear. And I would like anyone to share thier thoughts on this is, or was, possible.

I'd also like to explore some of the mechanical minds of yours, with the creation of a real fireball, using materials that would be feasibly possible to obtain in at least medieval times.
For instance, a small cotton ball surrounding flint or gunpowder, some type of ignition source, and then the thrust of your arm to propel it.
I know we can do things with a sprayed fuel and an electric ignition, but let's think how real alchemy might be used to make this happen. And not the spiritual side of alchemy, that is the only information you can really find..

By the way, any ancient chemistry website links or books would be fantastic too.

I said I would try to make this short. Look where we are. If you haven't been able to tell yet, I lose myself in creation sometimes. In other words, I zone out..
Seriously though, I'd like to hear anyone and every ones opinion on all that I have shared. I need more information from you to gauge this community better, as I've seen a lot of really stupid posts among the small amounts of good, non-beginner information.
And honestly, it would be nice to make some cool friends who I can argue with about things. I say argue because even if it is a civil debate, it is an argument nonetheless. I debates can often get heated.

As a side note, I wasn't concerned about this being a bad thread. I was mostly concerned about my title being misinterpreted, so I decided to default to something that was almost guaranteed to spark at least a few people's interest. However, it probably is a bad thread. Of this fact, I have no concern.

[corvidus]

Hey there Haelos,
Your name reminds me of Helios, or Halo.

I mostly work with personal energy use. This takes a variety of forms, from utilizing mantras and meditation, to music and poetry, and more.

Hey me too Have you ever looked into Taoist Internal Alchemy (Neidan)?

I do not follow any religion. At least, I don't think I do.

I do not worship deity. I believe all gods do or have existed as separate entities, even if only as thoughtforms by the mass populace.
You could say that I worship myself to an extent, but I am not Satanic. But it's not just myself, it's all of human kind. I believe we are just as worthy of worship as gods, and we can one day become them ourselves, and sit along side (and inside) the grand architect.

Kool. I'm going to be a god someday. I'm going to erect a shrine and grant wishes for pennies

Vulgar magick. You all know what it is. Magick that you can see. Pure aether willed and condensed into a malleable form. Fire and thunder from the finger tips. The kind of magick that makes you go, "That's impossible!"
I know it is possible. Not probable, but possible. I have a theories if anyone would like hear. And I would like anyone to share thier thoughts on this is, or was, possible.

I would like to hear these theories. The magick I've seen I would not call Vulgar. Vulgarity is for the Black Sun.

I'd also like to explore some of the mechanical minds of yours, with the creation of a real fireball, using materials that would be feasibly possible to obtain in at least medieval times.
For instance, a small cotton ball surrounding flint or gunpowder, some type of ignition source, and then the thrust of your arm to propel it.
I know we can do things with a sprayed fuel and an electric ignition, but let's think how real alchemy might be used to make this happen. And not the spiritual side of alchemy, that is the only information you can really find..

Maybe look into Ninjutsu? They've got clever tools like this.
Real Alchemy doesn't concern itself with the creation of fireballs.
But it does concern itself with manifesting teh Lumen Naturae.

By the way, any ancient chemistry website links or books would be fantastic too.

Why ancient? why not modern?
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/forum.php

[Haelos]

Hey there Haelos,
Your name reminds me of Helios, or Halo.

It's usually spelled with the ash symbol instead of ae, but that causes problems for websites and the like.

Hey me too Have you ever looked into Taoist Internal Alchemy (Neidan)?.

I have now.

I would like to hear these theories. The magick I've seen I would not call Vulgar. Vulgarity is for the Black Sun.

Message me and we can talk about the subject. I'd like to see what kind of magick you have witnessed.

Maybe look into Ninjutsu? They've got clever tools like this.
Real Alchemy doesn't concern itself with the creation of fireballs.
But it does concern itself with manifesting teh Lumen Naturae.

There are many aspects of real alchemy, physical alchemy. And though practitioners may have no use for a fireball, my ideas for design still rely on minor alchemical techniques in achieving the end result.
Ninja were merely opressed farmers. They have some clever tools, but not that clever. The myth of secret shadow clans being truth would be far better, as they truly would have an object like this. Alas, the myths, are just that.

forum.alchemyforums.com

This was a fantastic link. Thank you.


Side note, unrealated to what you said.
I sparked someones interest at least 100 times with this threads title, as that's how many views it has (excluding the time's I've checked back for replies, give or take a few views.)

[corvidus]

I have now.

Kool

Message me and we can talk about the subject. I'd like to see what kind of magick you have witnessed.

done.

There are many aspects of real alchemy, physical alchemy. And though practitioners may have no use for a fireball, my ideas for design still rely on minor alchemical techniques in achieving the end result.

The so-called classical techniques of distillation, reverberation, vitrifaction and etc.?

This was a fantastic link. Thank you.

No problem. and yearh, it's a great website.

[Haelos]

In order to obtain certain explosives, yes.
Remember, this is techinically a bomb I wish to create, and there are many, many, many ways to create a bomb.

[Ritual Ghoul]

At the risk of sounding like a nutter. I believe that it is possible for there to be magic that can be seen, however, not quite in the typical sense of seeing with your eyes. I think there is a lot that can be seen with one's third eye. As for shooting fire from your fingertips, not sure if that would actually be possible without some form of outside aid like perhaps some form of technology (although if technology were involved I would think that there would be a risk of that being crude energy rather than pure or natural). I mean, the energy is there, there's no denying that and since energy cannot be created nor destroyed that's one step further. Perhaps it is necessary for energy to be at an immensely high concentration for it to be visible. In theory, that's arguably possible I suppose.

Not familiar with alchemy in any way, shape or form, so maybe this sort of response isn't really what you were looking for, but it's my two cents.

[Haelos]

And that was my main theory about that type of magick.
The energy would have to be in extreme concentrations.
And, in line with this theory, I don't really think this magick is *still* possible, just that it was.
When humanity wasn't so expansive and the energy wasn't spread so thin, I believe people had a more measurable results of their skills.
At this point, the greater consensus of reality likely prevents this type of energy accumulation.

The idea I've been brainstorming does use technology, but not electricity, which is where I believe most crude energy comes from.
Technically, technology is anything the *does something*. It is a tool. Even a mere sword of forged steel is technology, and very magickal at that.

In theory, this bomb would be made of pure, disposable materials. Such as refined flint and cotton. I know there are less ugly, more efficient ways of doing this, but I'm trying to combine my knowledge of chemical reactions and other modern science, with my esoteric knowledge, and attempted use of materials from a time in which a fireball spell like this could have feasibly been used for a war scenario, and accessible by those who would know how to use the materials.

[Ritual Ghoul]

If energy is so spread thin, there are still other sources to get it from. In theory, there are always sources to get it from. Regardless how spread thin it may be. I'd like to think that it would depend on one's location as to how spread thin energy would be in said vicinity and also what kind of energy you are talking about. Whether it's energy that comes from humans and other living creatures, which is what I'm guessing you mean. Versus whether it's energy that can be harvested from other energized sources, such as fire. I'd like to think that just about anything is possible as long as you have the right tools. I agree with you that technology is a tool. Perhaps it is a tool that could become the 'right' tool in this scenario. However, I would think that that would require more physics than plain magick. Is that what you meant about it no longer being possible?

Technology currently intrinsically uses electricity so I would think that one would have to make sure that that doesn't interfere with the other energy that one would be using. I do know that that can be a problem if one is collecting energy from an outside source. Whenever fireball and war now are used in one sentence I automatically think of Game of Thrones. Though, this topic reminds me of a youtube video I saw not too long ago about this guy who could allegedly light newspaper on fire with nothing but his energy. I use the term allegedly because I believe that 99.9% of the stuff on the internet is bullshit. Either way, you may find this video interesting: click.

Hope this makes sense, just on my way off to bed.

[manonthepath]

I'm a terrible person, I'm sorry. I just do stuff bad. [cry2]

If you are a terrible person, why would I ever dream of empowering you to influence the cosmos on a greater level than at present? It seems that you are not yet ready to learn.

[Haelos]

I'm a terrible person, I'm sorry. I just do stuff bad. [cry2]

If you are a terrible person, why would I ever dream of empowering you to influence the cosmos on a greater level than at present? It seems that you are not yet ready to learn.

Clearly you do not understand text-based sarcasm.
I am sorry for your discontent.

[Haelos]

If energy is so spread thin, there are still other sources to get it from. In theory, there are always sources to get it from. Regardless how spread thin it may be. I'd like to think that it would depend on one's location as to how spread thin energy would be in said vicinity and also what kind of energy you are talking about. Whether it's energy that comes from humans and other living creatures, which is what I'm guessing you mean. Versus whether it's energy that can be harvested from other energized sources, such as fire. I'd like to think that just about anything is possible as long as you have the right tools. I agree with you that technology is a tool. Perhaps it is a tool that could become the 'right' tool in this scenario. However, I would think that that would require more physics than plain magick. Is that what you meant about it no longer being possible?

Technology currently intrinsically uses electricity so I would think that one would have to make sure that that doesn't interfere with the other energy that one would be using. I do know that that can be a problem if one is collecting energy from an outside source. Whenever fireball and war now are used in one sentence I automatically think of Game of Thrones. Though, this topic reminds me of a youtube video I saw not too long ago about this guy who could allegedly light newspaper on fire with nothing but his energy. I use the term allegedly because I believe that 99.9% of the stuff on the internet is bullshit. Either way, you may find this video interesting: click.

Hope this makes sense, just on my way off to bed.

The energy is always there, yes, and there is always a way of obtaining more.
However, what I mean by it being spread thin is mostly what I believe is due to the growth of the human population.
In ancient times when there were far less of us spanning the entire globe, it is well known that the mystic practices were held in higher regard.

I believe the energy we use use in magick, aether, is the spark of consciousness itself. The first, faint, glimmer of a flame that brought everything that is into existence.
The same spark that separates our instincts from our higher selves.

With how many people exist in the world, how many consciousnesses exist, this is where we see energy lost.
There are too many people subconsciously influencing reality with their will, making the greater consensus less likely to shift in our favor to such violent outbursts of pure aether. That is why, I feel, most magick these days can not be witnessed with the eyes alone. Even with awakened eyes.

In the time of Old, I believe humans simply had more malleable energy to work with. Without so many human minds taking the energy, simply to survive, you have a lot more at your disposal, and it is easier to form, as it was likely that energy hadn't yet passed through a humans conscious.

This wiki page, which I believe is for the story and physics to a tabletop RPG world, is where I obtained some information that helped formulate this opinion.
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Vulgar_magic
Here is also a couple other pages on the same wiki I recommend giving a read.
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Coincidental_magic
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Paradox_(MTAs)
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Consensus

Though it seems to be based in some type of fantasy world, you can tell whomever designed the rules and physics to this world knew, or at least speculated, a lot about real magick, and the true state of reality.

[RoseRed]

I believe the energy we use use in magick, aether, is the spark of consciousness itself. The first, faint, glimmer of a flame that brought everything that is into existence.
The same spark that separates our instincts from our higher selves.

With how many people exist in the world, how many consciousnesses exist, this is where we see energy lost.
There are too many people subconsciously influencing reality with their will, making the greater consensus less likely to shift in our favor to such violent outbursts of pure aether. That is why, I feel, most magick these days can not be witnessed with the eyes alone. Even with awakened eyes.

In the time of Old, I believe humans simply had more malleable energy to work with. Without so many human minds taking the energy, simply to survive, you have a lot more at your disposal, and it is easier to form, as it was likely that energy hadn't yet passed through a humans conscious.

We believe very different things.

That spark of consciousness isn't the energy that's used. All these extra people running around - they add to the energetic web that the energetic power comes from. There is still plenty of magic that an be witnessed. There's this little thing called verification. It's a good little thing.

Do you truly believe that having access to more malleable energy makes it easier to use and form? Really? Is it easier to create something from a ball of Play Dough or a mountain? If you wish to turn the mountain into something else - that takes much more energy, power and, most importantly, SKILL.

But in the end, you have the right to believe whatever you like. I'm not out to change your mind.

[Nahemah]

I made the Alchemy site link a live one. [thumbup]

It's a decent forum and I do believe it was started or/ is/was adminned, by a former member of the old OF.com who I remember as being pretty smart and knowledgable, so it's good with me. [thumbup]

[Haelos]

I'm here to hear your opinions, based on what I've said on the subject, but I'm also not here to argue or try to force my own opinion. Simply to share them.

I believe that more people around cause their own electro-magnetic fields to interfere with energy being used in magick.

I shouldn't have said that spark was truly what we used, I wrote a little wrong. I think that is the most bare forme of the energy, but magnetic power itself is what we actually use.'

I get my thoughts mixed up in posts such as this, try to bare with me.


And the post was not about magick that could simply be witnessed and proven to be real, but where you could see, with your physical eyes, the condensed will of such a spell.
Often times we can verify the effects, or some other smaller detail that proves to us it worked, but never have I heard of one who could see the entire result of a spell while it is in action, or cause others to see it.
I suppose it might be possible with some type of imposing, but I wouldn't know how that could work with something that was not a thoughtform.

Back to the first part.
The sun, moon, earth, stars, etc. are all said to have their own energy. This is cause by their gravitational field, which is not a force coming from the outside, but magnetism holding us together from the inside.
The humans electrical field is caused by the iron pumping through our blood. And also, supposedly a little magnet gland that's housed inside our noses.
This is the physical energy we use to perform our spells, I feel. However, both before and after we access this energy, that is when I believe it goes back to the spark. Although I feel we're left more recycled energy than they would have been in the past, leaving it less pure, and thereby less malleable.
You said all of the extra people add to the energy grid to be pulled from. I think this part is incorrect, as not only are every one of those people subconsciously effecting their own reality, they do so of all they encounter. People start to influence others to cause them to think alike, and the crowd mentality starts to form.
Something that was once possible, now is not, for the mere reason that people believe it to be so. And vice versa.
People are naturally magnetic to opposite energies of their own. Willed energy especially.
Hell, some people are so magnetic they can corrupt computer hard drives just by getting close enough to them.

Final note: W
hen the world was still young, and the first gods gave human kind magick, you truly believe they were less capable of what we are now?
If I remember the Emerald Tablets correctly, 8 realms of magick fell into Egypt, while the entire rest of the world got the last piece.
And some how you think those pharohs couldn't rip a human skull in half with thought alone?

Discuss.

[Haelos]

Wow, that last post killed everyone a long time ago....
No one wants to discuss?...

I was intently eager to hear opinions on my last post, and I never remembered it hadn't gotten any responses. I know some of you smarter folks out there would like to put me in my place, so get lecturing already....

[Shinichi]

Okay, I'll give you a go.

I believe that more people around cause their own electro-magnetic fields to interfere with energy being used in magick.

That depends on the people, the spell, and the person who created the spell. The average joe doesn't have an aural strength significant enough to mess with a decent spell created by a decent spell caster.

I shouldn't have said that spark was truly what we used, I wrote a little wrong. I think that is the most bare forme of the energy, but magnetic power itself is what we actually use.'

In the Chinese Arts it is said, "Yang can only express what Yin already has." Bardon students also understand that "The Electric Fluid can only express what the Magnetic Fluid already has." It is not an either/or situation. They are two parts of a whole, and you "actually" use both. The more in harmony they are within you and the more in harmony you are with them, the more potent your magick will be. Not to mention health and all sorts of other things.

And the post was not about magick that could simply be witnessed and proven to be real, but where you could see, with your physical eyes, the condensed will of such a spell.

I'm not sure how you would manage to see a condensed mental faculty with your physical vision capacity. Or why you would want to. That's a thoroughly inefficient thing to do.

Often times we can verify the effects, or some other smaller detail that proves to us it worked, but never have I heard of one who could see the entire result of a spell while it is in action, or cause others to see it. I suppose it might be possible with some type of imposing, but I wouldn't know how that could work with something that was not a thoughtform.

You can see quite a lot of what goes into a spell and what happens while it is in action via proper Clairvoyance, but Clairvoyance is not dependent on your physical eyes. There's also quite a lot of things that offer immediate verification, such as practicing Clairvoyance to read what's on a card before you flip it over. Or lighting a candle from the other side of the room. Or summoning a breeze and feeling it immediately. I know a couple of guys who had a thing for turning transparent as a demonstration to their students, and Crowley once materialized light in order to glow during a meditation session with his students.

And all of that is a natural effect of the spell or skill involved. Physically seeing the spell casters volition or the metaphysical process of the spell is irrelevant to seeing the physical results.

The sun, moon, earth, stars, etc. are all said to have their own energy. This is cause by their gravitational field, which is not a force coming from the outside, but magnetism holding us together from the inside.

Addressing the bolded part, no. Planets and Stars have their own energy because they are life forms like everything else alive in the universe, with their own life forces, souls, and consciousness. They radiate their life force in a specific flavor (or "vibration") just like humans radiate auras on a smaller scale, and that flavor is based on the consciousness of the individual body. Mars is very "Martial," Earth is very Motherly, Venus is the neighborhood whore (if you believe the rumors!). None of these things have anything to do with the physical gravity or magnetism of the planets, it's because of the metaphysical "soul" of the planets and how that influences the physical body of the planet. Each planet even has its own sound, based on the specific frequency it projects. It's all little parts of a bigger whole.

By the way, check out what Saturn sounds like. He's a creepy bastard.

The humans electrical field is caused by the iron pumping through our blood. And also, supposedly a little magnet gland that's housed inside our noses. This is the physical energy we use to perform our spells, I feel.

Um. Try basic Biochemistry. You eat and drink stuff, chemical reactions happen that generate energy, that energy travels through the body in various ways. One of those ways is the central nervous system. All together, that energy radiates a certain field, and when you zoom out you can observe an EMF around a living human body. It's not just an iron thing and it's certainly not because of a magical little magnet in your nose.

According to Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, an expert on Qigong and Chinese Martial Arts, this Bio-Electricity is the physical form of Qi, our Life Force. So you're not wrong that this is part of what we can use for magick, but you're only looking at the physical side of something that is both physical and metaphysical.

However, both before and after we access this energy, that is when I believe it goes back to the spark. Although I feel we're left more recycled energy than they would have been in the past, leaving it less pure, and thereby less malleable.

The energy of today is more pure and more malleable than it has been in many, many, many years.

You said all of the extra people add to the energy grid to be pulled from.

I think how many people is on the "grid" is largely irrelevant, all things considered. This planet was here before the Human Species, and it will still be here after every last mortal has turned to dust and ash. The universe is a lot bigger than a few billion monkey suits, and it's quite arrogant of us all to assume that we either add to or take from the cosmic pool enough to really affect anything important. We do influence Earth and need to be more in tune with her, but in the broader scheme of the universe, even she is barely a drop in the ocean.

I think this part is incorrect, as not only are every one of those people subconsciously effecting their own reality, they do so of all they encounter. People start to influence others to cause them to think alike, and the crowd mentality starts to form.
Something that was once possible, now is not, for the mere reason that people believe it to be so. And vice versa.

What you're worried about now is more an issue of how humanity creates Fate than an issue of energy. Physical Bio-Energy is not Metaphysical Life Force, which is not Consciousness, even though they're all kinda tied together intimately. Consciousness alone (especially how it changes based on individual actions and experiences), however, is what decides ones individual and community Fate.

People are naturally magnetic to opposite energies of their own. Willed energy especially.

That's a natural part of the Yin/Yang dynamic, though, and pretty much the whole point of Sex Magick. I don't see what your point is with that.

Hell, some people are so magnetic they can corrupt computer hard drives just by getting close enough to them.

That's not a mere magnetism thing, it's part of a a larger process. When I lived in the country as a kid, I used to use my energy to boost the TV antennae and get more channels. But I didn't use the Magnetic force to do it. I'm much, much more Electric/Yang by nature, so much that my temperature usually runs hotter than most people around me.

Final note: When the world was still young, and the first gods gave human kind magick, you truly believe they were less capable of what we are now?
If I remember the Emerald Tablets correctly, 8 realms of magick fell into Egypt, while the entire rest of the world got the last piece.
And some how you think those pharohs couldn't rip a human skull in half with thought alone?

Since when are the Emerald Tablets considered historically accurate?

What an individual is capable of with Magick depends on the individual's dedication and maturity. That has always been true. Since Egypt, since long before Egypt. The Pharaoh probably could rip a human skull in half with his power, but he was someone trained from childhood, for hours a day, every day, for decades, in arts that had been developed and refined for centuries by genius sages.

Whatever else may be true, I do know this: there are more genuine initiates alive on Earth in the current age than there has been in many centuries.



~:Shin:~

[Haelos]

I had a really long post in response to this one Shin, but I came to realize every section I replied to sounded the same, so I deleted it.
Basically, I try to re-explain what I didn't explain properly in the first place, then offer my counter argument.
Re-reading what I had written a third time, and reading your responses, I've found that I wasn't nearly descriptive enough in almost anything I was saying, and almost every point I tried to make got misconstrued and over-simplified.

This thread, was in big part, for my own personal theory crafting, so there wasn't much of a point to it anyway, once the initial question had been answered.
I guess this was my mistake, and I'm sorry I wasted such a beautifully written response of yours with such a shitty rebuttal, but I messed up, bad. I don't even know what further to say on the matter, so I'll just end this here..

[Shinichi]

Don't apologize. It's situations like this where we learn, and whatever you have realized, be glad. Such realizations are why we do these things. [gz]



~:Shin:~