random spell question

[silverfox615]

so ive been doing research on stealing life energy with has been described as bio electricity chi chakara life force etc. does anyone know of a spell that increase in that because i read a few theories but i think id be more comfortable trying an established ritual before trying out some of the theories i read. thank you for youre time -fox

[magari]

What theories have you read/considered?

[Desecrated]

Get on the back of the buss, start picking victims. Suck it out there and then.

[RoseRed]

That's what psychic vampires do - feed on the life energy of others. You don't need a spell for that.

Some people are born that way while others can learn the techniques.

You might want to be VERY careful who you choose to practice this on. There's a lot of people out there that don't take kindly to being fed upon. There are counter techniques for that - some are not pleasant.

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There are also techniques for feeding on ambient energy or the energies that crowds create (instead of an individual). Think of a rock concert in a stadium or a football game.

[Sypheara]

As RoseRed said, it is very easy for this kind of feeding to backfire. If somebody was to try this on me for example, the repercussions id cause them would be severe. I would treat it as a malefic attack.

You are better learning how to feed off a willing participant. Mutual feeding in such a manner can actually be beneficial, to both participants, and you are less likely to suffer negative effects caused by someone defending themselves.

[RoseRed]

That's because it IS a malefic attack.

[Sypheara]

That's because it IS a malefic attack.

True enough in this context. Sometimes I beat about the bush too much with language lol.

Repercussions would begin immediately against anyone attempting this to me, and would be automatic, due to my protective familiars and other spirits that I work with who would immediately trace the attack back to the perpetrator and turn it back on them. This would have the effect of them draining what I can only describe as an astral poison that is generated by these entities for defensive purposes into their own body.

If i actually noticed the attack, which would be likely and I was capable of spotting the person perpetrating it, I would capture an image of the person on my phone, later used it in sympathetic magic within the graveyards in workings directed at making use of the Dark Dead. I don't particularly take kindly to people who would use malefica on people without due reason, and would nail them to the ground as much as time, means and effort would allow.

I see it exactly like going out in the street and randomly physically assaulting someone for no good reason other than for a 'thrill'. People who do that can quite happily jump into the ground prepared for them as far as im concerned.

[Shinichi]

If you just want to increase your internal energy, there are truly simpler ways of doing it. Qi Gong has a vast collection of methods, Yoga has Pranayama, Bardon has Pore Breathing and Vital Force Accumulation. Although I haven't done it, Regardie's Middle Pillar is supposed to have lots of positive effects, including some in this department. There are sex magic rituals for dual cultivation, including some in Qi Gong that involve some interesting energy circulation.

And that's completely excluding ways of increasing internal energy physically, with alchemy and herbology.

Some of these things may take a fair amount of work to learn, but all of them are very simple. You should never over complicate things like this, and Vampirism is an over complication.



~:Shin:~

[Ramscha]

You might want to be VERY careful who you choose to practice this on. There's a lot of people out there that don't take kindly to being fed upon. There are counter techniques for that - some are not pleasant.

Additionally to that it is already enough if your victim has any spark of sensory senibility and gets what you are trying to do. If not only you increase aggresion towards you, you might even get a nice beating if you get in the way of the wrong guy.

[silverfox615]

What theories have you read/considered?

let me premises this by saying id never cause people physical harm to achieve this end but one thing i read suggested peoples energy is vulnerable when they are in physical or emotional pain and then you should be able to just feel the loose energy and take it. another said high energy paces radiate with it again just take it. i guess what im curious about is do you really just focus on their energy then siphon it? i cant find anything about techniques -fox

[silverfox615]

That's because it IS a malefic attack.

True enough in this context. Sometimes I beat about the bush too much with language lol.

Repercussions would begin immediately against anyone attempting this to me, and would be automatic, due to my protective familiars and other spirits that I work with who would immediately trace the attack back to the perpetrator and turn it back on them. This would have the effect of them draining what I can only describe as an astral poison that is generated by these entities for defensive purposes into their own body.

If i actually noticed the attack, which would be likely and I was capable of spotting the person perpetrating it, I would capture an image of the person on my phone, later used it in sympathetic magic within the graveyards in workings directed at making use of the Dark Dead. I don't particularly take kindly to people who would use malefica on people without due reason, and would nail them to the ground as much as time, means and effort would allow.

I see it exactly like going out in the street and randomly physically assaulting someone for no good reason other than for a 'thrill'. People who do that can quite happily jump into the ground prepared for them as far as im concerned.

yeah but if im targeting people i know cant retaliate then whats to worry about and its not really the same thing if you physically assault someone they'd know it people who id be trying this on would have no idea what was happening. besides theres absolutely no legal repercussion from this as physically assaulting someone would hold.

[EternalReturn]

So let's say that there is no known repercussions for taking someones kidney and selling it to the black market for personal gain, would you do it? Hell, he can function with only one.

[RoseRed]

yeah but if im targeting people i know cant retaliate then whats to worry about and its not really the same thing if you physically assault someone they'd know it people who id be trying this on would have no idea what was happening. besides theres absolutely no legal repercussion from this as physically assaulting someone would hold.

Over time people figure out who the 'energy drains' are in their life and will begin to realize where it's coming from. Just saying.

Don't be so sure that there won't be legal consequence. There have been several magical related cases in the courts in the last several years. One woman was fired for doing magic at work (in her bosses office). Check with Google.

What you're talking about can be done with a spell but that's the long, drawn out and hard way to do it. Good luck finding info on techniques. I'm not going to tell you how. If you want to take a persons life force - you're the one that'll have to live with the consequences of it. Some of them aren't so pleasant.

Word of warning, tho - if you can't tell who has natural Talent and who doesn't - don't be surprised if you get hurt.

You do realize that what you're talking about is using magic as a sucker punch, right?

[silverfox615]

Over time people figure out who the 'energy drains' are in their life and will begin to realize where it's coming from. Just saying.

Don't be so sure that there won't be legal consequence. There have been several magical related cases in the courts in the last several years. One woman was fired for doing magic at work (in her bosses office). Check with Google.

What you're talking about can be done with a spell but that's the long, drawn out and hard way to do it. Good luck finding info on techniques. I'm not going to tell you how. If you want to take a persons life force - you're the one that'll have to live with the consequences of it. Some of them aren't so pleasant.

Word of warning, tho - if you can't tell who has natural Talent and who doesn't - don't be surprised if you get hurt.

You do realize that what you're talking about is using magic as a sucker punch, right?

sucker punching or simply having a superiority others dont have i found some work on psychic vampires they explained what they do so im just gonna try it see how it goes and report back. due to the reported side effects this really isnt something i intend to try on people im frequently around but i have a whole college of people i can try it on very few of whom id actually care if they chose to avoid me and one in particular who i wish would just leave me alone. so that person will be my first test subject i understand this probably isnt something many of you approve of but i have seen you rose condemn people for expressing disapproval of the use of curses on those who are without defense and unsuspecting. im not out cursing anyone. if this is a sucker punch then a curse on someone whose unsuspecting or unaware is a straight beat down. anyway im gonna try it and ill get back to you guys with my results. isnt this all about experimentation and gaining knowledge and sharing with each other? as always thank you for your time and i will keep your concerns in mind. Also you were talking about familiars which intrigued me anyone who has information on that im interested in the idea. another thought i had was there are some entities ive read about who posses a vast knowledge of the magical arts is summoning such entities advisable if a reasonable accord could be met in exchange for such knowledge? thoughts? opinions? experiences? as always thanks for your time -fox

[manonthepath]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sooner or later you'll suck something out of someone that will hurt you. It will serve you right. Most people have so much crap in them that feeding on their energy will actually make you weaker and even shorten your life. Bon appetit cherry! If you were a cannibal, which you are, would you eat someone full of pharmaceuticals or GMOs? People carry all kinds of shit energy with them; fear, hate, greed, emptiness. And if you think you can just feed for free your even more stupid than your question. There are entities that do nothing but feed on life-force energy and they will smell you out like sharks on the scent of blood. You probably have drawn then to you with your intent alone. You don't even know how to protect yourself! You know, sometimes cruel selfish bastards get exactly what they deserve. Magick is one of those areas where a great deal of justice prevails. Enjoy your selfish cruelty. It will bring you just where you need to end up. [devil]

[RoseRed]

manonthepath may have a shitty bedside manner sometimes BUT everything he said is accurate.

I'm not passing judgement on you here, honey. Some people are born natural psy-vamps and require it to survive and thrive. You may want to google 'The Black Veil'. It's a voluntary code of conduct for those who want to experiment or live within pretty open ethical boundaries. Some people do. Some people don't.

There is a difference between feeding on people and cursing people. And just for the record - I still throw down when it's called for. I personally think the world should go back to letting people settle their differences the old fashioned way (beating the shit out of each other). It's always worked well for me. I don't sucker punch. I usually find it distasteful and an un-honorable way of fighting.

Most of my curses are delivered to the persons face. I have no need of hiding where it came from. But that's just me.

There are people that are very different than this and need the element of surprise.

Please check out The Black Veil. If this is something that you feel you need to try - perhaps you do. But I do think that it would be better to learn it from someone who lives it. There used to be a website. I think it was psyvamp.org or something similar.

manonthepath and I both walk a warrior's path. We have very specific ideas about things like sucker punches. It's not a personal thing with you.

[magari]

Team sports are a great opportunity to practice.

On the competition...

[twisted]

[RoseRed]

Not to mention the ambient energy of the crowd. Sporting events are open feasts. I've seen some pretty nasty energy generated at a local kids level from the psycho parents in the stands. You couldn't pay me to absorb that shit.

If you truly want to experiment - I hope that you can tell the difference between the energies you take into yourself. There are some out there you do not want.

Also you were talking about familiars which intrigued me anyone who has information on that im interested in the idea. another thought i had was there are some entities ive read about who posses a vast knowledge of the magical arts is summoning such entities advisable if a reasonable accord could be met in exchange for such knowledge? thoughts? opinions? experiences? as always thanks for your time -fox

Honestly, I would suggest waiting. Get some of the basics under your belt. Figure out how to use this new source of energy. Work on your skill sets. That's a potentially dangerous level of practice. That's for dealing with spirits and entities and especially summoning.

You don't need to summon a familiar. Although, they're not really as common as a lot of people seem to think now-a-days. If there's a spirit that's been around you for quite some time and you're comfortable with - go for some conversation and see if you can communicate with it.

If you don't - this is too big of a skill with a lot of potential side effects to learn to do both at the same time. It'll be extremely difficult to tell which issue any potential side effect is coming from.

But, as always, it is your life and you do have the right to choose as you will. I just hope that you do it safely.

Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts so clearly and giving me the opportunity to further explain what I was getting at.

[silverfox615]

My energy experiment was successful although I wasn't sure how I liked the results of my subject but I wanted to report back and let everyone know Ive had no negative side effects other than a minor twinge of guilt however it's justifiable I've decided and im over it most of what I did was focusing on people's energies just beginning able to detect them and once I had that established I took a few from someone who insists on using me as an unwilling therapist

[magari]

My energy experiment was successful although I wasn't sure how I liked the results of my subject but I wanted to report back and let everyone know Ive had no negative side effects other than a minor twinge of guilt however it's justifiable I've decided and im over it most of what I did was focusing on people's energies just beginning able to detect them and once I had that established I took a few from someone who insists on using me as an unwilling therapist

First of all. That guilt you felt was for very good reason. You should do some more self reflection. Just my opinion.

Second of all I'm going to assume no one made you act as their therapist. You most likely cast your pearls before swine and someone thought you could help them. This in my opinion is your own fault, which could be why you are feeling guilty.

Sounds like you are acting like an ignorant child to me and have a lot to learn about yourself before you can even begin to learn how magick plays a role in your life.

The reality will most likely be that you continue to study and won't learn the error of your ways for a long time to come.

I hate to pass judgement, but it keeps me alive.
I'm done on this thread.

[silverfox615]

Second of all I'm going to assume no one made you act as their therapist. You most likely cast your pearls before swine and someone thought you could help them. This in my opinion is your own fault, which could be why you are feeling guilty.

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Believe it or not Im actually a pretty nice guy and unfortunately being a nice guy results in people always wanting to come to you for advise or to just vent about their issues ive been doing this for years and honestly it can wear on you. there is one person in particular who takes no advise continues behavioral patterns that have bad side effects and comes to vent to me about it. I gain nothing from listening to this person constantly other than occasionally getting a nasty tasting cigarette in the unusual event that i ran out. i have known this person for over a year now and i have literally been listening to the same shit while watching this person gobble pills like a fiend. I could tell this person to leave me alone and stop telling me all about their problems but that would be very inconvenient for many reasons. so before you pass judgement you should know at least the basics the background. -fox

[RoseRed]

Inconvenient?

So much for the three I's.

[manonthepath]

Eichmann was a nice guy too.

[Rin]

a) There's no such thing as a "psychic vampire," in the sense of a person born with the inherent need to drain energy from other people. Yes, a lot of people these days live with low energy levels, but that's a result of our modern lifestyle, not an innate problem with your energetic anatomy. The whole concept is just something cooked up in the last 15 years (ie: since the internet came out) or so to make people feel like they're special and different without them having to actually do anything. Yes, it is possible to drain energy from other people, but it's inefficient and unhealthy - and unnecessary because:

b) If you are suffering from low energy levels, as has been said, there are a ton of easily accessible methods of accumulating it to reach and exceed normal levels. Taking up one of these will be a million times more effective, have all kinds of additional benefits.

[magari]

b) If you are suffering from low energy levels, as has been said, there are a ton of easily accessible methods of accumulating it to reach and exceed normal levels. Taking up one of these will be a million times more effective, have all kinds of additional benefits.

Like exercise and eating right.