E.A. Koetting allegedly arrested on gun and drug charges

[Rin]

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/l ... /19248063/

If you look at the first photo, you'll notice it's apparently none other than E.A. Koetting of http://becomealivinggod.com/ fame, the self proclaimed "Living God" who ran a website on which he claimed to sell advice and tools which would help people in practicing black magic (specifically evocation, OBE's and clairvoyance, although how that qualifies one as a "Living God" I'm not sure) and to perform rituals for people, all for exorbitant prices.

Turns out this "Living God" wasn't making enough money scamming people by pretending to be a master black magician, so he's been running around with a gun selling coke and meth, and while I'm normally firmly opposed to the war on drugs, in this particular case it couldn't happen to a nicer man.

[magari]

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[Desecrated]

I kinda like some of his stuff.

[Shinichi]

https://aaronleitch.wordpress.com/2014/ ... iving-god/



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[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Shame he's too short for the NBA. He'd fit in perfectly. Could easily see him rolling in a gun-loaded ATV with Delante at 4:00 AM.

[420]

There's no proof (yet) that the drugs and gun belonged to Koetting. They could have easily belonged to his roommate. When cops raid a place and there's no clear indication who owns the illegal stuff, they usually charge both occupants, hoping one will nark the other one out. A little critical thinking and not jumping to conclusions needs to be applied here.

[Rin]

There's no proof (yet) that the drugs and gun belonged to Koetting. They could have easily belonged to his roommate. When cops raid a place and there's no clear indication who owns the illegal stuff, they usually charge both occupants, hoping one will nark the other one out. A little critical thinking and not jumping to conclusions needs to be applied here.

The "roommate" was his partner (and there was also allegedly a child in the residence, although I'll have to look up the source for this), and their bail was set at $30k each. I highly doubt we're talking about personal possession quantities here - and even if we were, there's no excuse for having guns and dangerous drugs in the house with a child.

[magari]

There's no proof (yet) that the drugs and gun belonged to Koetting. They could have easily belonged to his roommate. When cops raid a place and there's no clear indication who owns the illegal stuff, they usually charge both occupants, hoping one will nark the other one out. A little critical thinking and not jumping to conclusions needs to be applied here.

The "roommate" was his partner (and there was also allegedly a child in the residence, although I'll have to look up the source for this), and their bail was set at $30k each. I highly doubt we're talking about personal possession quantities here - and even if we were, there's no excuse for having guns and dangerous drugs in the house with a child.

I've seen a few of his videos. He mentions having a daughter. Although he also mentioned he doesn't perform evocations in the house because he doesn't want that around his daughter.

So much for the drugs.

[420]

Koetting released a video explaining his arrest.
The Heartfelt Truth About My Detainment: http://youtu.be/RyobUDIA-QM

[Rin]

Koetting released a video explaining his arrest.
The Heartfelt Truth About My Detainment: http://youtu.be/RyobUDIA-QM

So the War on Drugs is really messed up and the police often use illegal and immoral tactics in it - we know this. But claiming that cocaine and methamphetamine are "substances used by shaman for millennia" is absurd (and yes, I know about the chewing of coca leaves in South America, but there's a vast difference between that and the cocaine alkaloid in it's pure form, not to mention that it wasn't shamanic in any way), and I highly doubt even the American police would arrest a couple and put them on 30k bail each unless they did, in fact, find a quantity of the drugs claimed within the household.

So what we're left with is 15 minutes of him wishy-washying around the fact that he had guns and dangerous drugs (likely in large quantities for distribution, given the bail) in the house with a child.

[RoseRed]

Does anyone know how old the child is?

I don't really care what other people do. People get arrested for stuff everyday. You don't drag kids into it, though.

[Rin]

Given his age, I highly doubt she's an adult.

[Desecrated]

Serious question

Does anybody really care?

[DozingGreen]

I honestly like the guy. But this situation shows me something about him that may change my opinion. This guy claims to have put curses upon curses on his enemies, even claims to have killed a few of them through black magick.I don't believe in the threefold law and I am skeptical to Karma. But I do believe in reprecussions for our actions. And if this guy really made people sick,killed people, and brought time after time financial gains into his life, and he is shocked that he got charged for some drugs and a handgun, his credibility in my eyes is gone.

[Rin]

Serious question

Does anybody really care?

That a well known fraudster portraying himself as something he isn't, preying on people with dodgy sales techniques and generally contributing to how much of a joke modern western magic is, has been further discredited and will potentially be sent to jail and as such shut down and unable to rip more people off?

Yes.

[magari]

If humanity is a single organism, lets imagine a plant.
and every human is a cell in that organism.

and everyone is trying to just get more sun
but some people are leaves
and some are stems
and even some are roots

Then lets say you don't agree with everyone else. Perhaps so much you don't see how government or institutions really serve the people at all. Perhaps no one else agrees with you. Maybe all these people around you are impeding your progress and no matter what you do you seem get in other people's way every time. All the other cells seem to agree with each other, and they are accomplishing amazing things in science and technology. They are building new ways to experience the world every moment and all you're doing is getting in the way.

But you're just a cell in a plant, disagreeing with other cells in a plant.
What are you?
Cancerous I'd say.

Cut that shit out and play ball. This game's been going since the dawn of time and perhaps your daddy wasn't as good as the next guy's daddy, but he taught you a thing or two. Now quit 'dishonoring' your name and stop whining. The only way to move up is to play the game better than the next guy.

The game is called life.
and you're just a cell in a plant, helping the whole thing grow.
Everyone else wants the same thing as you, but no one will be your flower's stem or roots unless you can show em a thing or two.

Now I'm not saying the system is perfect mind you. Nothing is perfect.
However, no one really knows whats going on until they are on top. Hard to say which direction to grow for maximum sunshine if you're living with the roots.

Check your revolution brother, the game isn't the same as it was.
Check your revolution, before you get a lot of cancerous cells killed.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Between mercy and severity, creation and destruction to pave the way for more refined creation it can be tough to tell what kind of putz behavior is arbitrarily just happening out there in the human race (if that's even possible) or how much of it is YHVH just stoking the alchemical fires. Maybe thousands of years of Christians fighting Christians and Muslims fighting Muslims makes a really great astral soup? I wouldn't claim to know or to get it either, just that our local frame of reference seems to be fairly alien to the actual plan and vice a verse.

[magari]

Between mercy and severity, creation and destruction to pave the way for more refined creation it can be tough to tell what kind of putz behavior is arbitrarily just happening out there in the human race (if that's even possible) or how much of it is YHVH just stoking the alchemical fires. Maybe thousands of years of Christians fighting Christians and Muslims fighting Muslims makes a really great astral soup? I wouldn't claim to know or to get it either, just that our local frame of reference seems to be fairly alien to the actual plan and vice a verse.

Magick isn't exactly alien to the actual plan.

What shamans and alchemists were doing ages ago are the same things leading technologists and scientists are doing today.

We had to drop the religious connotations because it simply didn't serve us anymore.

Just as we dropped pantheism when it didn't serve us anymore.
Just as we picked up the sword when metalworking was invented.

I propose everyone replace the sword on their altars and in their rituals with an actual gun. I also propose we stop summoning lucifer and instead perhaps use an archetype that might actually have some power over the collective consciousness today. I've been told superheroes are much easier to work with.

Feeling rebellious? Have a conversation with George Washington. I dare you.
But thats just me.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Oh - I didn't mean that magick was foreign to the plan; I meant our preferences of behavioral standards in other people, our preferences for utopia, our annoyance over pain - we seem to want a lot of things that would freeze such huge experiment in its tracks and part of painful or seemingly evil things happening in the world or thuggish behavior in our neighbors or neighboring countries seems to be part of that whole 'solve et coagula'. I'd love to think there are better ways but I also have to ask myself also wtf do I know. Ultimately it's God's kitchen and very few of us (at least outside of the mystic and magickal communities) consciously choose to be little chefs with Him/It or could begin to understand whatever the true 'greatest good' happens to be from the tiny localized perspectives we occupy.

I guess my ramble was really more about realizing that everything from an occult hack to a lewd politician to the local crack dealer are just many different faces of The One and that in its omniscience nothing is out of place.

[magari]

Exactly


However, off-topic, I do think magick needs an "upgrade". Those performing real rituals with real guns actually have a lot more power than an anonymous group in robes with swords.

Anyone want to compare EA Koetting's youtube hits to the sales of one of Crowley's books?

[Rin]

I also propose we stop summoning lucifer and instead perhaps use an archetype that might actually have some power over the collective consciousness today.

How can the Lucifer (assuming you're referring to "Satan" and not some other conception of the name) archetype not have any power over our collective conscious when 32% of the world's population identifies as Christian? Not to mention how much we pump our media full of the old archetypes, more than ever by my reckoning. And a gun is not a sword just because both happen to be used to kill things, their similarity might be somewhat strong on a utilitarian level, but on a symbolic level, the level that matters in this context, they only cross over faintly.

[Shinichi]

And a gun is not a sword just because both happen to be used to kill things, their similarity might be somewhat strong on a utilitarian level, but on a symbolic level, the level that matters in this context, they only cross over faintly.

Besides that, on a utility level, a blade actually is more practical for a magical working. A gun might be more "powerful" if it's used a certain way (and such enchantments are not a beginner exercise), but you have to pull the trigger to get that power. Not loaded with blanks, either. Unless you're Sam and Dean Winchester trying to escape a haunted house, nobody really wants to fire a gun in magic ritual, particularly indoors. It's loud, messy, and sloppy.



~:Shin:~

[magari]

I also propose we stop summoning lucifer and instead perhaps use an archetype that might actually have some power over the collective consciousness today.

How can the Lucifer (assuming you're referring to "Satan" and not some other conception of the name) archetype not have any power over our collective conscious when 32% of the world's population identifies as Christian? Not to mention how much we pump our media full of the old archetypes, more than ever by my reckoning. And a gun is not a sword just because both happen to be used to kill things, their similarity might be somewhat strong on a utilitarian level, but on a symbolic level, the level that matters in this context, they only cross over faintly.

I suppose you're correct.

In that regard I see how it depends on who you surround yourself with and with whom you're trying to affect change for.

In my situation the spirit of Steve Jobs and Elvis has a lot more influence and that influence is growing as new generations grow up.

EDIT: PS: 32%? That number seems pretty small to me. I'm sure it used to be larger. I'm sure its getting smaller.

[magari]

And a gun is not a sword just because both happen to be used to kill things, their similarity might be somewhat strong on a utilitarian level, but on a symbolic level, the level that matters in this context, they only cross over faintly.

Besides that, on a utility level, a blade actually is more practical for a magical working. A gun might be more "powerful" if it's used a certain way (and such enchantments are not a beginner exercise), but you have to pull the trigger to get that power. Not loaded with blanks, either. Unless you're Sam and Dean Winchester trying to escape a haunted house, nobody really wants to fire a gun in magic ritual, particularly indoors. It's loud, messy, and sloppy.



~:Shin:~

I don't see how what a sword represents symbolically is any different than a gun.

On a utility level one must still swing a sword and be accurate
just as one might pull the trigger

Rituals surrounding the gun don't happen indoors for that very reason you're correct.
In fact, when a ritual must be taken indoors, the detail in charge of the weapons stays outside. The weapons are fired outside, usually with the doors to the ritual wide open. The detail stays outside the entire time too. Its an important part of the ritual in my opinion and I'm suspect of complex rituals indoors as they are historically occurring underground or in caves and seek the favors of energies that don't seem to eminate from the sun. In my opinion this is the opposite of kinetic energy and no place for weapons period. Just my interpretation of the flow of the subtle energies.

However when I compare firing a gun to swinging a sword, the sword seems a lot messier in my opinion. However, I'm trained and so are the majority of my closest friends. In my opinion magickal circles are neat tools for measuring blood splatter just a coincidence perhaps.

Would you rather slay the animal with your sword, or shoot it?

I would agree there is a slight difference. The story of the gun is a lot different than the story of the sword, however both serve mankind in the same manner. The big difference is ammunition or bullets. While the sword seems entirely dependant upon the wielder for kinetic energy. Some swords seem to harness that kinetic energy better than others, however a gun packs its own and depends on the user for stability and precision. A different mode entirely for the warrior spirit. Might and strength are replaced with stability and precision. My interpretation is that this is actually an evolution of the warrior spirit. In the beginning we lacked stability and precision, however once we were fully capable of harnessing our might and strength it became a numbers game. Those who won those battles had stability and precision and stopped wasting energy on ineffective attacks against the enemy.

Therefore I suppose that if you are looking to bring out an individual's strength under pressure a sword is a better option. If you're seeking stability and precision under pressure, go with the gun.

If you're looking to harness what the sword represents as mankind's "tool" for change, then today a gun would serve better in my opinion. Its a lot easier to access that power through the gun today due to the current state of mankind's consciousness.

These are my opinions. If you see flaws, please let me know, this is something I love exploring. In my experience however, these details are more important to the individual magician who's reality is unique.

[Cybernetic_Jazz]

Exactly


However, off-topic, I do think magick needs an "upgrade". Those performing real rituals with real guns actually have a lot more power than an anonymous group in robes with swords.

What I'm really wondering about - say I get my way with my life in that I get to do it all - go Summum Bonum with AMORC (beyond 12th temple), complete the BOTA course, join a very serious theurgic and goetic group when those are accomplished (MOAA sounds better all the time), perhaps even plum the mysteries of Martinism and the GD in equal depth and when I'm not doing that, work or martial arts I'm getting to know my alchemy deep - I feel like I'd almost need to be at that end of the rainbow to really know what it yields.

As far as I can tell the more someone becomes adept the more they sort of wash out of local concerns, have far less concern over changing the world, and I almost think that a good amount of that has to do with them realizing that everyone's HGA has the ride under control no matter how scary some of the hills look and at sometimes even as an entire race we find ourselves at the top of the 250 ft power tower waiting for the hydraulics to yank us down at several G's above the usual for a plummet and bounce.

It seems like the only way that magic, mysticism, and really both being the path of evolution and enlightenment, become less passive is if they become more pervasive. One of the saddest things to me is the full current alienation of the esoteric from the exoteric structure and perhaps one of the best rectifications would be layers created into organized religion where lets say the three major Abrahamics focus on spiritually honing, workshopping, and for those who are ready having something that looks as deep and like as much of a work out as BOTA, Martinism, Thelema, etc. - just that it would be, say, the Sufi direction of Islam, the Hermetic direction of Christianity, the Kabbalistic direction of Judaism, etc..

The lack of certified mysteries within the organized religion and the current dying gasps of Freemasonry give few avenues and all I can think of is that present orders will grow in size to try and offer the same things. Whether the pandora's box that Apple and Google opened on our culture will still be a hurdle people can climb over is another question as well and I suppose we'd have to wait and see on that one.