LBRP Analysis

[phoenician]

Hello guys, it is me again, I wanna get several things straight and I would like your help.
I am a bit of a perfectionist, i like to analyze things and understand them before i jump into action, in this case it is the LBRP , I am trying to completely analyze it before i perform it for the first time. I am a beginner, i found this Amazing analysis of the ritual that i would like to share with you , The first 23 pages are the analysis.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59413639/LBRP-Guide

This guide made me see the ritual in a new light, it is such an important and majestic ritual, no wonder Crowley gave it so much credit. However many alterations have been made on it, on page 12 of this guide, a very good and rational explanation has been given to why some images that need to be imagined have changed, read it. After i read the whole analysis, it made me see some holes in the original LBRP.

Why did Regardie and other famous magicians did not see these mistakes, since Ceremonial Magick is about affecting consciousness with symbols and associations. I feel that the images and associations given by this guide can affect the psych much more. My question is, is it possible that the original instructions given by Regardie and others can secretly affect the psych much more, in a way we are not aware of, or did they make a simple mistake? Or am i over analyzing things?

Another thing, there are variations in the spelling of the words, i have heard Ateh vibrated AAAATTAAAH or AAAATTTEEEHOU by others, my question is does it really make a difference how a word is spelled during vibration? And what are your thoughts about the LIRP(Invoking) attracting negative entities?

[Zelator_Sith]

For the vibration question...

There is a certain vibration formulae used by most High magicians doing ritual. When vibrating Ah-TAH, Most likely it would be heard as AAAAARRRR-TAAAARRRHHHH. However there is a sign that you will know that you are doing the correct vibration formulae. Some of your body parts, hand, feet, etc. will tingle a little bit as a result of the energy and perfect tone in harmony. However as for the vibration formulae "One thing that works for someone may not work for another" meaning you may vibrate it in any tone as long as you experience the vibrational phenomena stated earlier.

For the affect of the sub-concious level...

No, You are not over-analyzing. You may want to see more versions of books about the LBRP. The whole purpose of magick is to affect our sub-conscious mind in order for our will to manifest into the physical plain. The whole point of ritual is to manipulate the sub-conscious mind as in the teachings of western ceremonial and world-wide magick states "The sub-conscious is our direct link to divinity" hence, our crown chakra is a link to the divine. When someone sleeps, the conscious mind blanks and the sub-conscious takes action. That is why we have representative dream. It is hard to remember our dreams because when we wake up, our conscious mind directly overwrite what the sub-conscious left off therefore erasing the date. With hard training and determination you will remember dreams. The 2 reason why we forget our dreams are: The reason already stated earlier or our brain reaches the Alpha brain level meaning low brain activity.

The whole point of magick is to manipulate our sub-conscious mind in order for "divinity" to get the message and make it happen/ [gz]

[phoenician]

hmmm thanks for the information Zelator_Sith, however you did not seem to understand my question..... I am wondering about the spelling, not the vibration , because surely spelling a name right is an important thing. For example, YHVH, in one version was spelled yod hey vau hey, in another it was yod hey vav hey, yod he vav he, etc.... This confuses me, because i want to know how to spell the name right so i vibrate it correctly. . I know i can find the correct mode of vibration depending on the tingles, and i am currently using Michael Kraig's vibratory formulae, but i thought asking you guys might help me.

As for the effect on the unconscious, my question was whether the original versions of LBRP can effect the psych more than the enhanced ones such as the one from the guide i posted above. or could it be that Regardie and others have made small mistakes which were fixed by today's magicians?

[Zelator_Sith]

Simple.

The name "YHVH" is a hebrew name. Meaning when it is translated in English it has alternate spellings. It can be spelled as IHVH, JVHV,etc.
Therefore, the spellings can alternate. One example would be: Yod-Heh-Vahv-heh;Yod-heh-Vau-heh,etc.

That is why, the jews made it YHVH,YHWH then when translated turns into Yahweh. They did this to confuse the "real" name of the Tetragrammaton.

So, the conclusion is, There is no correct spelling to the letters "YHVH" Because it was originally in hebrew.

Another example would be The "Kabbalah" it can be spelled as Qabalah,Kabalah,Cabala,etc.
There are no correct spellings of that word too.

[phoenician]

Thank you again Zelator_Sith, i appreciate your help [smile] , i never knew that..... However i am wondering if someone here knows some information about the LIRP attracting negative entities?

[Frater Yechidah]

While Hebrew is transliterated in many different ways, there is only one correct Hebrew spelling.

YHVH is spelled with the letters Yod Heh Vav Heh.

The transliterations differ greatly depending on dialect and school of thought. This is an attempt at Anglicising the Hebrew language, and while we can argue for or against a particular one, all of them are correct in their own way.

Generally speaking in Hermetic tradition you'll see Yod Heh Vau Heh. I, and many others, find Vav is more accurate (and this is what most Jews use). I think "Heh" might have been chosen over "He" to avoid confusing with the English word. It is pronounced "hay", which is why you'll encounter "Hey" as an alternative spelling. This is the least appropriate, in my opinion, as it suggest the Hebrew spelling of the letter is Heh Yod, whereas in fact it is Heh Aleph (the Heh spelling also suggests it should be spelled Heh Heh, but that's another misconception), with the Aleph representing a placeholder for the vowel sound.

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Yechidah.

[phoenician]

While Hebrew is transliterated in many different ways, there is only one correct Hebrew spelling.

YHVH is spelled with the letters Yod Heh Vav Heh.

The transliterations differ greatly depending on dialect and school of thought. This is an attempt at Anglicising the Hebrew language, and while we can argue for or against a particular one, all of them are correct in their own way.

Generally speaking in Hermetic tradition you'll see Yod Heh Vau Heh. I, and many others, find Vav is more accurate (and this is what most Jews use). I think "Heh" might have been chosen over "He" to avoid confusing with the English word. It is pronounced "hay", which is why you'll encounter "Hey" as an alternative spelling. This is the least appropriate, in my opinion, as it suggest the Hebrew spelling of the letter is Heh Yod, whereas in fact it is Heh Aleph (the Heh spelling also suggests it should be spelled Heh Heh, but that's another misconception), with the Aleph representing a placeholder for the vowel sound.

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Yechidah.

Thank you Yechidah I found my answers

[MAZOHIR]

I am new to this forum, and I use the name MAZOHIR in reference to my esoteric pursuits. The LBRP Guide has taken the total article I authored and Copywrited in 1993, entitled THE LESSER BANISHING RITUAL OF THE PENTAGRAM. Since then, I have changed a number of things to reflect a more current awareness, and have posted the Article on SCRIBD as :

https://www.scribd.com/doc/229940380/Th ... -Pentagram

Whoever authored the LBRP Guide, posted on SCRIBD, did NOTask if he could use my Copywrited Article, and didn't even acknowledge me as the author of a portion of his article titled: RITUAL.

If anyone knows who the author is, I would appreciate if you could give me the information, so that I may contact the person, and either have them acknowledge me as the author of that portion of the LBRP Guide titled RITUAL, or remove it completely. I've already contacted SCRIBD about it.

BTW, I have many esoteric articles posted on SCRIBD, free to view and download, just type in ELEAZAR SHLOMO BEN YAKOV GOLDMAN on SCRIBD, and you will find my material on kabbalah mainly, MAGIA, Hermetic doctrine, Alchemy, Talismans, Mind Control and more. Most of the material are copies of work by the great KABBALISTS, but I aslo have some original material, such as the Rectified Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram there.

MAZOHIR

[palindrom]

good morning MAZOHIR

as you can see i'm new here too. [yay] hi!

thanx for sharing your essay about the LBRP, it's interesting to read.

what i wanted to add to the question of the correct vibrating of the hebrew names:
the name JHVH ist special insofar, as it actually isn't ever spoken loudly in the jewish tradition. whenever in the thora the name JHVH pops up (happens quite often), you read "adonai" for it, "my lord".
so, if you vibrate the name JHVH, you're doing something un-traditional anyway.
the reason normally given for this reluctance is, that JHVH isn't spoken, out of reverence. but i also found in my quabbalistic literature that it is believed, that you cannot speak the name JHVH, because in order to really acknowledge gods all-encompassing being you should speak all the vowels at the same time. which is, to put it mildly, not so easy : D

behind this stands also the idea, that the consonants (the only ones written in hebrew, there are no signs for vowels) are the nephesch, the body of the language,
the vowels, the unwritten ones (which therefore vary quite a bit, as mentioned by others here before), are the ruach, the wind of spirit of the language
and the melody is the neschamah, the soul of the language.

...it's an interesting experience, to keep these things in mind while performing the LBRP. for example to "give body" to adonai with the "d" and the "n", to give spirit to it with "a", "o", and "i", and to breathe soul into it with the way, you actually sound the word...
and, once you're at home in the ritual, you can try to do it loudless (i was told, that to speak the names and words just moving your lips and tongue without sound is the most powerful meditation, stronger than to speak or whisper, and it's interesting to experiment with this).
and you can actually try to imagine alle the vowels of JaoeiuHaoeiuVaoeiuHaoeiu at the same time : D

...this much from my side for the moment.

i got a question about what you, MAZOHIR, wrote in your essay. you say there, that there were some autors, papus, levi, de guaita, who were misleading people on purpose. how to you know this? are there any sources you can give me so i can read more about this?
and, how do you know that regardie wasn't doing this as well?

and, sorry, i'm not clear about the difference between LBRP and LIRP. english is not my mother tongue, and i've done the LBRP after frater V.D.'s german description of it.
these days i'm reading through regardies "black brick" for the first time, just going through it once, and then i want to start studying it in more detail - did i miss the LIRP there?

with kind regards : )

palindrom

[Clockwork Ghost]

Whoever authored the LBRP Guide, posted on SCRIBD, did NOTask if he could use my Copywrited Article, and didn't even acknowledge me as the author of a portion of his article titled: RITUAL.

If anyone knows who the author is, I would appreciate if you could give me the information, so that I may contact the person, and either have them acknowledge me as the author of that portion of the LBRP Guide titled RITUAL, or remove it completely. I've already contacted SCRIBD about it.

MAZOHIR

Looks like SCRIBD has taken down the plagiarized work. I'm really glad they did - I hate it when people use other peoples material as their own.

MAZOHIR, if you have some time, and it pleases you to do so, would you consider posting an intro thread on the Introductions board? I'm sure many people, myself included, would love to know more about you. [thumbup]

[MAZOHIR]

Ist of all, let me thank anyone here who has commented on my online article THE RECTIFIED LESSER BANISHING RITUAL OF THE PENTAGRAM. If you'll notice, I have corrected the Ritual to VIBRATE GEDULAH (CHESED, MERCY) to the right side of the Operator, and GEVURAH ( STRENGTH or SEVERITY) to the left side, and those are the correct kabbalistic Sephirotic attributions, not what every single GD or THELEMIC group has been doing incorrectly for decades.

The Ineffable NAME Yod Heh Vav Heh, was pronounced ONLY in the Holy of Holies, and ONLY by the High Priest in the Temple of Shlomo ha-Melek ISRAEL, Solomon, King of Israel. As many of you memebers here probably know, the correct pronunciation of the Ineffable NAME TETRAGRAMMATON was ONLY known to the officiating High Priest. After the Temple fell for the last time, eventually the correct pronunciation of the TETRAGRAMMATON was lost over time (according to many authors and historians). Yet, to this day, there are kabbalists who know of it's correct and TERRIBLE power, when intoned correctly with kavannah...intention. ABULAFIA goes into how the NAMES could be used, as does the WORK of the CHARIOT, among others.

It is correct to say that in Orthodox Jewish circles, including >Chassidim, that the NAME of 4 LETTERS, IHVH, is never spoken, certainly never casually. And, that the Nomen ADONAI, or Ha-Shem ( the NAME), or Adoshem is substituted for the great NAME.

BUT, for instance, in the Operation known as THE MIDDLE PILLAR, the NAME can be VIBRATED whole, not segmenting each letter of the NAME. You must find for yourself, the true pronunciation of the TETRAGRAMMATON. Just like you must find for yourself the true manner of the VIBRATORY MODE of intoning the NAMES. It is not what the Witnesses say is the pronunciation, needless to say.

In regards to BLINDS that were put in place by LEVI, PAPUS, OSWALD WIRTH in their writings on Esoteric subjects, and others in the TRUE esoteric Tradition, ( they all had to take very serious MAGICAL OATHS of SECRECY) you would NOT know if and when a blind had been put into place to keep the PROFANE from access to the Royal Art, unless, of course, you yourself were an initiate. Everyone knows that the Science and Art of MAGIA was never intended for the masses, but was reserved for a very very few special individuals in every single generation. BLINDS were put in place within the HOGD teachings also. The cogent reason behind this is that one does NOT put a very high-voltage wire into the hands of an IDIOT or a child, for the very serious damage that it may cause, including death and insanity.

I will recommend the articles I placed on SCRIBD regarding the initiated Tradition on ASTROLOGY. They may help some who are researching the BEMBINE TABLET of ISIS, to understand the Keys to that Tablet, along with Levis' and Westcotts' work which also indicate directions for study.

[palindrom]

hello MAZOHIR : )

If you'll notice, I have corrected the Ritual to VIBRATE GEDULAH (CHESED, MERCY) to the right side of the Operator, and GEVURAH ( STRENGTH or SEVERITY) to the left side, and those are the correct kabbalistic Sephirotic attributions, not what every single GD or THELEMIC group has been doing incorrectly for decades.

i noticed, yes. now, i wonder if this switching of the sides could have something to with the story, that the pillars jachin and boas seem to be the wrong way round when you approach the temple, and you see them in the right order once you stand inside the temple and look back out...
this would fit with the fact, that the LBRP is about the first ritual a neophyte gets to practise, wouldn't it?

You must find for yourself, the true pronunciation of the TETRAGRAMMATON. Just like you must find for yourself the true manner of the VIBRATORY MODE of intoning the NAMES. It is not what the Witnesses say is the pronunciation, needless to say.

i agree on this one. and what's more, i'm sure that the highpriest telling you how to do it will appear when you're ready, and very likely it won't be a person who tells you but your inner highpriest. remains to be seen, if it happens in this lifetime at all
: )
i can learn, practise, work, prepare the ground for this to happen...

the cogent reason behind this is that one does NOT put a very high-voltage wire into the hands of an IDIOT or a child, for the very serious damage that it may cause, including death and insanity.

that's a sound enough reason, isn't it?
how do you, MAZOHIR, tell the blinds from the real stuff then?

...i've been thinking about this "blinds"-thing, and, personally, i'm ok about beeing hoodwinked first - there will be a reason that it is part of many of the rituals of the GD to be hoodwinked first, i guess...

what do you think of levi's letters to baron spedalieri? i read that levi considered spedalierei to be one of his most able students and that in these letters he wrote more openly about his system and perception of magic than in his books...

with kind regards

palindrom

p.s. in the writings of friedrich weinreb, a kabbalist out of the chassidian tradition, the letters on the paths are not in the same order as in the black brick - do you know anything about this changing around of path-names? it seems to me to be something quite fundamental, if the letters/ways on which to proceed are changed, isn't it?

[MAZOHIR]

CLOCKWORK_GHOST: The SCRIBD article that plaigerized my work THE LESSER BANISHING RITUAL OF THE PENTAGRAM at URL: http://www.kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/LBR.htm

and which is called the LBRP GUIDE and referenced here was published at the URL: https://www.scribd.com/doc/130694071/59 ... LBRP-Guide

It has NOT been taken down and SCRIBD has not responed to my request to contact the person who uploaded it to SCRIBD, and ask them to either acknowledge me as the original Copywrited Author of that part of the GUIDE called "RITUAL", include the 1993 Copywrite date, or remove my plaigerized material. I contacted the email address on the GUIDE, and it does NOT function. I will now contact SCRIBD again to see why they have NOT done anything as per my request.

PALINDROM: Always, GEVURAH is the LEFT SIDE of the body, and GEDULAH or CHESED is always the RIGHT side. Obviously, many many people who performed the LBRP did NOT know their kabbalah and performed it in reverse for decades. A mistake was made in the original HOGD temples and perpetuated without thought afterwards.

Only an Adept will know when and where blinds are placed in written material.

Many different authors of esoteric writings have different attributed letters to the 22 paths on the Etz Chaim. LURIA, Mathers et al, LEVI, Crowley, Work of the Chariot, Dr Paul Foster Case of BOTA, and MANY others, all differ from each other and the ORIGINAL attributes in tthe Sefer HaYetzirah. One, again, would have to be an INITIATE in the true and real sense, to know which were pretenses, which were correct, and which were blinds.

[Clockwork Ghost]

CLOCKWORK_GHOST: The SCRIBD article that plaigerized my work THE LESSER BANISHING RITUAL OF THE PENTAGRAM at URL: http://www.kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/LBR.htm

and which is called the LBRP GUIDE and referenced here was published at the URL: https://www.scribd.com/doc/130694071/59 ... LBRP-Guide

It has NOT been taken down and SCRIBD has not responed to my request to contact the person who uploaded it to SCRIBD, and ask them to either acknowledge me as the original Copywrited Author of that part of the GUIDE called "RITUAL", include the 1993 Copywrite date, or remove my plaigerized material. I contacted the email address on the GUIDE, and it does NOT function. I will now contact SCRIBD again to see why they have NOT done anything as per my request.

Hi MAZOHIR,

I'm guessing you have already done this, but this is what I would do:

This is the person who plagiarized your work: https://www.scribd.com/raiden87 See if you can find a way to contact him direct.

Use this link to report copyright infringement. The link includes email, post, and fax contact details. You will obviously need to be able to prove your ownership of the material. https://www.scribd.com/copyright/report-infringement

I have a feeling that 'Gheorghe Paul' may be a pseydonym, or he may have swapped his first and last names, as I can find no trace of him in places one would assume a scholar would have a profile. I may well be wrong however - I have only done a cursory search, but doing some research into locating him amongst literary sites may prove fruitful.

[MAZOHIR]

Hi Ghost.....) Thanks for taking the time to research and provide the info you've posted here, and I'll immediately check out the 1st link. I knew of the Copywrite infringement form, but I wanted to settle this in a more personal and friendly way, offer to allow the use of my material, so long as the person acknowledged who the author is ( myself )in writing, and the copywrite date. This is what I had asked SCRIBD to do, but I didn't receive any response from them. I will try again though.

Gracias mucho amigo.

1st update:
OK, I had already gone to the 1st link you'd given me, and didn't see any way to contact the plaigerist, and also used the email address given on the LBRP GUIDE, with no luck.....didn't work. Now, I'll try to see if SCRIBD will either give me his/her email or contact him/her directly.......if not, then the Copywrite Infringement form.