Hello.. does anyone want to become a mentor?

[RockDemon]

Hello to all of you.. So let me tell you about me. I am a newbie to magick and occult. I just did a few rituals of the Necromonicon Spellbook and that is all of my experience. At first I began to do these rituals just out of curiosity but throughout time and getting experience with the spells presented there I understood that the occult is a serious thing and there is more to it than I thought. Also I realized that these rituals might be dangerous as well. So I got serious about this. I did some search over the internet and stumbled upon a slide in slideshare. It is a slide consisted of the lessons concerning the Necromonicon done by one of the members of these forums - ashnook. And apparently I am here. I read the lessons and I learnt that there is really a lot of to study before doing rituals of the Necromonicon. However there is so much material to learn and so much material for the begginers that I am kinda lost. So maybe anyone would want to be a mentor for me... and me to be their apprentice ? Could you at least give me some guidance where to start and how to start.

[Haelos]

The whole Mentor-student thing isn't very easily done over the internet. It's best to find an instructor who you can meet with in person to teach you what you need, and gain a better understanding of your progress.
However, that doesn't mean we can't offer you help to become self initiated.

As I recommend to anyone who wishes to start on the path, Read the books Initiation into Hermetics, by Franz Bardon, and Liber Null & Psyconaut (two books in one) by Perter J. Caroll.
I *highly* recommend you go through IIH from start to finish, following it's instructions as precisely as you can.

Each book contains somewhat separate ideas and styles, but the theory of Liber Null complements some of the practice of IIH quite well.

Beyond that, I just suggest you read as much as possible, and MAKE SURE you *completely* understand what it is you're doing, before you do it.
The evocations in the Necronomicon aren't something to play around with lightly (as much in the occult world isn't), so you should do you very best to examine everything you research from every angle possible. Your inner-library is never completed.

EDIT: I also recommend you go conduct a banishing/cleansing ritual. Like, right now.
There are more than enough sources on how to do such. Focus on the cleansing first, then banishing (if you do separate rituals)

Second EDIT: I should also mention the website http://thedivinescience.com/ (Shinichi would be mad if I didn't). They have a school program that you can join to partake in online classes with other interested students, and there are times you can interact directly with the teachers. It will take you through a 4 year course before you even touch evocation, and it has been highly recommended, although I have not yet joined myself.

[RockDemon]

Hi Haelos, thanks for the reply. Yeah I understand that there are difficulties doing the mentoring thing over the internet. But anyway I live in a small very "christian" country where occultism and magick is considered like "satanism" by most and those who practice it must be burnt So it is hard to find some one experienced in magick here. In fact I don't know anyone.
I am looking through the stuff you recommended me. It is looking really useful and it seems to be what I need. But could you answer a few more questions , please?

Do I need to do the cleansing and banishing rituals because the spirits in the spellbook themselves are harmful or I may have attracted some other essences with these spells?
If I do the cleansing and banishing will the spells that I have already done be destroyed or will they still work?
I have read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that pouring salt into a water and taking a bath in that water is a cleansing ritual, is that right ?

[Haelos]

Do I need to do the cleansing and banishing rituals because the spirits in the spellbook themselves are harmful or I may have attracted some other essences with these spells?

A little bit of both, actually. Some entities may not respect you very well for "dabbling," and can decide to cause some unpleasant happenings in your life.
Actually, a lot of the second part. To my knowledge, the Necronomicon is *only* evocations, and attempting to connect a link like that without really knowing who you're contacting can be pretty bad. You may end up contacting something completely different from what you had planned.

If I do the cleansing and banishing will the spells that I have already done be destroyed or will they still work?
I have read somewhere (can't remember where right now) that pouring salt into a water and taking a bath in that water is a cleansing ritual, is that right ?

Depending on how long ago you did the spell, most mundane things should see their result quite quickly, so if you did a spell, say, 4 months ago, it either didn't get the right intent, or it dudded out at some point.
That being said, I don't *think* it would cause any of your spells recently worked to dud out. However, it depends on the intent while doing the ceremony.

For cleansing instruction, I relay you to this thread, which is written by one of our dear admins.
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 55&t=37421
You can replace the salt with mineral salt or oil, or essential oils. Soap should only be used if it was specifically purchased or made for ritual to replace the salt, and it should be made out of ingredients that one could call "healthy." As in, no chemicals.

[The Great Gazeofra]

In Magick:

"He who makes himself a Practicer before he makes himself an Expert will never be anything more than a Dabbler." - C. Cicero

if you use the Goetia without understanding how every single Symbol and word relates to each other and the Spiritual Realm/Abyss, you will get no results at all or you will get small temporary results with terrible consequences.

It is a puzzle, learn how the symbols come together to represent the Macrocosm.

This is how the Hobbyist sees Magick : You see something that catches your eye, you read how to do it and try to do what they wrote, and you toss it in with something else which caught your eye and appealed to your senses, and Hope that something Magickal happens sooner or later.

This is how the Magician Sees Magick : You see something that catches your eye, you research its author and the occult societies which influenced him and the book, then you study their teachings and what those teachings mean in relation to the The Spiritual Realm/Abyss then you learn every single thing about the Symbols and how they relate to the Spiritual Realm and each other. Then you prepare your mind so that you concentrate on nothing more than the desired effect and the meanings of the ritual, and you become to God you wish to seek.

[Shinichi]

(Shinichi would be mad if I didn't)

Aaaaactually, my Fundamental Development may be more useful to him specifically.

[lol]



~:Shin:~

[Haelos]

(Shinichi would be mad if I didn't)

Aaaaactually, my Fundamental Development may be more useful to him specifically.

[lol]



~:Shin:~

Crap, I knew I was missing something.
Hopefully if he follows IIH he should end up following similar steps.
Yours is written a lot better for beginners though.

[RockDemon]

Hey Gazeofra , thanks for the advice and that is what I meant when I said I got serious about learning.

(Shinichi would be mad if I didn't)

Aaaaactually, my Fundamental Development may be more useful to him specifically.

[lol]



~:Shin:~

Hi Shinichi, I am checking out your training. So it is about meditations mostly I see. By the way guys I forget to tell I am a meditation and lucid dreaming practitioner, for a about 2-3 years now. But I will go through your training anyway, I believe I can learn a lot from it.

So often I may see lucid dreams after doing the rituals from the spellbook. And the last dream that I saw I think is connected to my situation (to the need of doing cleansing/banishment), could you guys comment it, please ?

So the last time I did the ritual I got into much more deeper level and got much more deeper connection with the spirit than ever before. In the book that spirit is described as the kindest of the fifty so I don't think he would do any harm to me, however I heard some other strange noises, and felt some kind of other "presences". So I guess these were some other entities. The book described this kind of situation however it stated that these entities are not worth of attention. And I can recall that in the rituals sometimes I felt some other "presences". However this time I felt like there are many more entities that were before and much more powerful. So I got scared. After finishing the ritual I was still hearing the strange noises and feeling those other presences. I went to bed and then I saw a strange dream, that kind of a dream I never saw. I saw the battle of Elder Ones fighting Ancient Ones. After the battle was finished one of the gods maybe, he looked like Marduk actually, or maybe it was the spirit that I summoned , approached to me and told me that there is nothing to fear of the gods protect us, and then he engraved/tatooed the Arra star (pentagram) on my left hand. Then I fell asleep. However it have passed about a week already but I have this strange feeling on my left hand, I can feel the star engraved ther. According to the Necromonicon the Arra star is the symbol which gods gave to the human race, and it is a protection symbol. As I learnt from the cleansing/banishment tutorial and other sources the pentagram/the Arra star is considered to be a protection symbol in most occult traditions. So guys do you think this dream makes my ass to be in safe somehow ? Or what else can it mean ?

[The Great Gazeofra]

Basically, the ritual triggered your Subconscious to tell you something. Every Daemon and Spirit is a portion of your Subconscious(your subconscious is also everybody elses subconscious) . You are Secretly Telling Yourself What to Dream and What to See in the form of real spirits!

through the Subconscious sphere of the moon.

This Subconscious is the Moon, the Sea of dreams and Sexuality which Lies in Secret and Silence as the force behind which our Earth realm operates on.
Sexuality is also All of our physical movements and all physical change, because Sexuality, which is also the Element of Fire on the pentagram, is growth and transformation.Sexuality is the element of fire.

You don't know the meaning of the pentagram/Arra Star?

the Pentagram is the four elements which co-mix and transform to Create our realm of vibration (earth in our case). But these four elements are controlled by the Fifth point which is the top point : Your Spirit !Also represented by the Swastika, this is the vehicle with which The All One traverses different Vibration frequencies (and seperates into many individual earthly humans instead of a single Spirit which would be terribly lonesome and therefore not able to practice proper Sexuality and create things. and therefore flys through the heavens. (which is NOT your lower Ego-self, if it was, then the average citizen who knows nothing about magic would be able to manipulate the elements.) This spirit is the force which brings all energies of the universe in perfect harmony and balance (hence beauty) and allows the Student who conquers the Spirit

[RockDemon]

So do I understand correctly the spirit/a part of my subconscious told me something through the pentagram and I need to get and research about the pentagram symbolism to understand what it told me?

[The Great Gazeofra]

Yes. It is a sign of protection because the top point (your Spirit) is the same Spirit which Everybody, including the Gods, possess. But this Spirit would not exist without an Anti-Spirit. This Anti-Spirit is Earth! the other 4 points of the pentagram are the 4 quadrants of Earth, which are less-refined versions of the spirit which serve different purposes.

[RockDemon]

Okay , I got, thank you all very much for helping and setting me on a path.

[Clockwork Ghost]

You could of course join the school here on the forum. Right now there are discussions on meditative trance, sigil creation, and the basics of demonology. I'm going to be conducting the next stages of sigils shortly, and am open for suggestions on what other topics people would like to see.

[Draco20]

Hello to all of you.. So let me tell you about me. I am a newbie to magick and occult. I just did a few rituals of the Necromonicon Spellbook and that is all of my experience. At first I began to do these rituals just out of curiosity but throughout time and getting experience with the spells presented there I understood that the occult is a serious thing and there is more to it than I thought. Also I realized that these rituals might be dangerous as well. So I got serious about this. I did some search over the internet and stumbled upon a slide in slideshare. It is a slide consisted of the lessons concerning the Necromonicon done by one of the members of these forums - ashnook. And apparently I am here. I read the lessons and I learnt that there is really a lot of to study before doing rituals of the Necromonicon. However there is so much material to learn and so much material for the begginers that I am kinda lost. So maybe anyone would want to be a mentor for me... and me to be their apprentice ? Could you at least give me some guidance where to start and how to start.

Read, read and read. As much as you can about all things occult. When you are confident you have a good grasp on the theoritical aspect of various concepts of occultism, then it's time to practice what you feel is 'safe' and 'valuable' to you. [happy2]

[Haelos]

I kinda forgot to check back here.
When you evoke a being, no other entity but the one you evoke should manifest. If they do, you're to give no attention to them, and send them back to their domain. By no means should you be feeling the presence of multiple entities. I think you might be doing something wrong if that's consistently the case.
It also sound like you're letting your imagination take over as you're dreaming. You're focusing too much on your rituals and on the whole Lovecraftian lore, and that's spilling into your sleeping states. You need to understand and control the difference between imagination and your reality.
As I said though, the Necronomicon is no cheap grimoire to be messed around with. First and foremost, no spirit will give you respect for being a "dabbler," and second, no matter what it is those spells are *really* evoking, they're powerful. Especially for someone who doesn't actually know how evocation works.
Bardon puts it really well. Those old grimoires of evocation are made for the petty sorcerers and necromancers, not the true magicians. Once you understand the principles of the art, you'll understand why some of the things are happening in your situation that are, and you won't need any pre-written ritual to evoke any being you need.
If you're dead-set on evocation though, I recommend the two books Practice of Magical Evocation, by Franz Bardon, and Book of Ceremonial Magick, by Arthur Waite. Read them both thoroughly, and don't say I didn't warn you.

[The Great Gazeofra]

You need to understand and control the difference between imagination and your reality.

I think what you mean by that is : You need to understand and control the Equivalence between imagination and your reality.

but wait ... The difference IS the equivalence!

[RockDemon]

Can you confirm? Is this the right book I've found ?
http://tikaboo.com/library/Initiation%2 ... rmetic.pdf

[RockDemon]

Read, read and read. As much as you can about all things occult. When you are confident you have a good grasp on the theoritical aspect of various concepts of occultism, then it's time to practice what you feel is 'safe' and 'valuable' to you. [happy2]

Thanks... Actually that's the way I am used to studying

[RockDemon]

You could of course join the school here on the forum. Right now there are discussions on meditative trance, sigil creation, and the basics of demonology. I'm going to be conducting the next stages of sigils shortly, and am open for suggestions on what other topics people would like to see.

Sure, I am going to join the school soon, just need to get used around.

[Mythic]

Hmm ok im new too but reading around quite a bit it seems knowledge is a vital part of being part of the occult. I took the advice of one you sirs and reading up on hermetics. The stuff about the elements makes quite a bit of sense and the book itself is well written.