When should we be using magic.

[Caerdon]

I apologize if this looks as if I'm sounding too harsh here, and I apologize for any perceived tone... however I have a few things needing to be said.

I actually think your metaphor is a pretty good one, however my point is whenever we cast a spell we are effectively swinging the sword and we never know if we are surrounded by people or not- to keep the analogy going. I think the point I am making is, obviously we are still going to use magic we are after all magicians, however we should think more carefully about the implications of it

That's something I disagree with. Proper use of spellwork is meticulous, you need to be aware of what, and more importantly who, is around you, as well as what affect/effect your spell will have. You should always gather as much information of your surroundings as possible, and take in every variable and instance as you can before casting. A properly cast spell should never escape the casters control and the set conditions placed upon it. Returning the metaphor, if you cannot control the swing of your sword then it should remain sheathed until you learn otherwise, as a sword in the hands of the inexperienced and untrained is just as dangerous to themself as to those around them.

You better fucking know what's around you when you swing that sword. Anything less is just plain irresponsible. I'm shocked that you wrote that. You may be wickedly talented but you're still young. That comes with its own specific set of problems. You don't have the luxury of 20 years to catch up to your abilities.

Just gonna ignore that entirely... Rosered that is exactly the point I was making... You seem to be totally obsessed with my age, or lack thereof

I think, as Rosered pretty much outright stated in another post, it was more experience being what was gone for rather than physical age. No talent, no natural aptitude, can take place of experience acquired through practice and time spent in working in any field, or in anything you do really. And this is something that is being said by others as well.
And again, all this is not meant to be an attack but just some advice. Yes it may prickle the ego and feel as if everyone is jumping on you right now, the pride might be stung, but if you can ignore that and take to heart what everyone here is saying than you will become that much stronger.

[Nahemah]

If you are too cautious about getting wet, you'll never learn to swim.

I use it when I feel like it, it's a skillset like any other and you don't get skilled without making mistakes and learning from them.

As to swords, meh...horses for courses, but I don't always go to weapons or combat, magickally speaking, when I get my casting on, nor do I necessarily need to consider other people in doing so, I think the swinging sword metaphor/reference may be a little overused and negative here. It's not all drama and danger you know, all the time, lol.

I think there's been some confusion in this topic, Lucius did say he thought care should be taken over implications, but he's been called out on a recklessness I can't see him showing in this thread so far.

Have I missed something?

[Lucius]

Guys guys guys, the point I was making is no matter how much you look around, you never know for 100% certain what the impact of your magic will be 10, 20, 30 people down the line. I realise obviously the importance of having a thorough understanding of what is going on around you before you cast- I may have not have communicated my point very well that now is obvious.

The metaphor I was using, I was not saying you should shut your eyes and swing the sword, my point was exactly the opposite!

I think there's been some confusion in this topic, Lucius did say he thought care should be taken over implications, but he's been called out on a recklessness I can't see him showing in this thread so far.

Thank you Nahema- I get frustrated when all people see is my age, as has been demonstrated here as well. I never[\b] devalued experience nor dismissed what years of practice means RR, Shin and others. I won't rant here, but every thread I write my age is brought up.

Look I don't want this thread to end up in the troll pit or to deteriorate into some kind of flame war, that would be a shame. Up until this point I feel the discussion was eye opening to the different opinions in the community, constructive and generally quiet interesting- let's keep it that way [thumbup]

So, Rosered, I am curious to here- when do you feel it's appropriate to use magic/ when should it not be used?
[gz]

[Shinichi]

you never know for 100% certain what the impact of your magic will be 10, 20, 30 people down the line.

I can, actually. Because if I cast a spell on one person, the bulk of that magick is only going to effect that person and not 30 other people. The proverbial "ripple in the pond" will either be accounted for or will be so minor and impotent that I don't need to account for it.

And I know this from experience in throwing some pretty big life changing spells on people. It's called Aim, my friend. [gz]

I get frustrated when all people see is my age, as has been demonstrated here as well.

For the record, I had no idea how young you were until you brought it up and made me curious enough to check your profile. Nobody is seeing your age and judging you for it, we are seeing your ideas and criticizing those. You are seeing people around you who are a lot older and more experienced than you, and you are judging that. Not me, not RR - you. Your grammar alone is much better than a typical teenager these days, so if you stop bringing your age up as some imagined problem then most people would automatically assume you're at least five or ten years older than you are based on just writing style.

Because that is what people unconsciously read and judge - appearance, body language, tone. Non-Verbal Communication. So if you stop saying you're young, nobody else here will even care about that. But if we disagree with your ideas, it doesn't matter if your 5 or 500 years old, we'll tell you what we think. That's how Community works. [wink2]



~:Shin:~

[RoseRed]

That answer changes for every caster and situation. Not to mention personal morality, Codes of Honor, culture and paradyms. There is no simple answers.

My point that you seem to have completely missed is that being wickedly talented with the sheer raw ability that you have comes with its own special set of problems. Many of which you wrote about in your blog post (which was the impetus for this thread).

And, N, I totally agree that we learn from our mistakes. The thing is, not everything needs to be learned that way and when dealing with someone of his raw talent, it's not always the best way. Especially, if a practitioner cares about collateral damage.

The higher these self proclaimed pedastals rise, the more it hurts when they come tumbling down. It's just the way of things.

Since your return I've noticed you've gotten big into proclaiming you help people whether they want it or not. Who or what gave you the authority to know what's best for everyone around you when you can't even figure out what's best for yoursel? This is a phase. We've all gone through it. I won't apologize for giving you answers you don't like or don't want to hear.

Come on now, do you really, truly and honestly think you're the only one here who's ever had this problem?

And the thing is, im not harping on your age. It happens to be one of your touchy hot buttons. That's a weakness that can be easily exploited. You'll either figure it out or you won't. And you Amy want to do some personal cleansings. What you do is dirty work and you're not washing it all off. There's a slippery darkness in you that wasn't there before. You might want to take care of that before it really takes hold. That should be in your exorcist handbook under 101. And the questions that you're asking really should be answered firmly before you do any more Work. Especially on a professional level. I also won't apologize for expecting more from a self proclaimed pro.

I guess the real question here is are you going to take offense and throw out some more dismissive barbs OR will you realize that I just answered a lot of your questions from your blog post and you just don't like the answers? Either way, I no longer give a shit.

And I'm going to be Formal for a moment. You and your order do not nor will ever have permission to do magical workings on me or mine. To do so will be considered an attack and will be dealt with in that manner. Please acknowledge whether or not we have a Formal Treaty. Cuz im done with this bullshit.

[Nahemah]

And I'm going to be Formal for a moment. You and your order do not nor will ever have permission to do magical workings on me or mine. To do so will be considered an attack and will be dealt with in that manner. Please acknowledge whether or not we have a Formal Treaty. Cuz im done with this bullshit.

This matter needs to be taken off forum.

Since your return I've noticed you've gotten big into proclaiming you help people whether they want it or not.

I can't find any references to forcing help, in Lucius' posts for 2015, since his return, so this a is not a matter for us to be involved with and unless threats or coercive behaviours have been made/ formed here, it is for those concerned to attend to, elsewhere.

Anyone who has observed any such posting or behaviour here, please pm me or another staff member, in confidence.

All parties should return to the original topic material and please keep posting only within the scope of the OP and considering our forum posting rules at all times also.

[RoseRed]

Agreed.