Ultimate Energy direction and chakra opening technique

[ThyNegative]

Okay, first I should tell you that I haven’t opened my chakras that much yet.
But I am researching hardly on this technique for more than a year.
This technique is unique and invented . I am aware that usually invented tehchniques doesn’t work correctly as far as you have seen before. But this is different. You will be perfectly amused after practicing it.
This technique consists of two parts. The first part is for directing a chakra’s energy and the second one is a simple relaxing for opening a chakra. Both could be much more useful in other psi energy fields too.
Now the theory beyond the design of this practice is to take control of unconscious actions inside your body to apply direct effects instead of using unconscious based techniques to meditate.
The first part of this technique consists of the following steps:
1- master an unconscious based technique to activate energy directing.
2- observe this activation
3- try to control it.
For the first step here we use a simple technique to direct energy to the forehead (I have removed some extremely dangerous parts from it):
Imagine that your contracting your forehead muscles, after you start feeling a pressure on your forehead it is working! Now lets say how much you should practice this? Enough to cause it under maybe 1 seconds. it may take months but totally worth it.
Now lets think a little. What does happen when energy starts directing? It starts hitting blocks in its way. After doing this practice fast enough you will be able to feel a wave of pressure moving before reaching your forehead! Now you need to practice this technique like a fast activating attempts in order to learn to feel this waves of pressures. After that you should be able to feel a wave of pressure moving like up and down or front and back inside your head as you pay attention to your breathing. So after learning to feel this breathing caused pressure moves, the only thing that remains is to practice them enough to be able to take control of them while you are not breathing or even reserve the movements while you breath!
So now lets do a little analyze . this pressue movement start from a place. That is the source you are using for energy direction. When this energy is directed to a blockage, you feel pressure (pain in tense cases).
For the second part of the technique, you have to direct energy to a blockage and try to gently relax it while you feel the pressure from the energy on it.
And that’s pretty much it. no colors, no tools, no demons, no angels, no quiet environment
after learning to control this energy direction and relaxing, you can do it on every part of your body like moving a hand or a muscle.

[CCoburn]

Imagine that your contracting your forehead muscles, after you start feeling a pressure on your forehead it is working!

I tried that and I felt something right off. Although it was somewhat subtle. Actually I still feel it. A tingling pressure. It's like you are directing energy to the muscles, but the muscles are not actually absorbing it. So it lingers there.

[ThyNegative]

i have really interesting non proven ideas, but i am sure that easiest physical effect that psi energies could have is sending electrical signals inside your body. well the first thing that comes to mind is that, are these energies just physical normal electricity caused by the brain. but these energies can pass through your body to the three dimensional space that you see.
check my explanation in this post : http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 88#p501805
i don't know if this energies are vibrations or moving particles, all i know is that this energies are really close to this two types. i don't know why we feel them in form of vibrations and what happens to them when we are feeling them yet. that's just something i am going to find out in future. [happy2]

[RoseRed]

I thought it was considered generally unsafe to begin chakra work in the head. Not my area.

I don't understand how this can be called the ultimate if it is untested.

Because that's how some people sense them. It may not be the only physical sense that picks up on these things. Some people smell, taste, see, hear and or feel physical sensations or any combo of them.

[ThyNegative]

i did not say it is untested, instead, it is called Ultimate because of how fast it starts working and it's effects have a rhythm.
, and you also heard my saying i removed some dangerous parts from it?
this stuff maybe a little different at first, but when completely learn the technique they become organized. and organized effects in meditation, well i don't think that you can find anywhere else.
i said pressure, i did not say continuous pressure. i also did not say you that may not feel anything else.
actually what i did here is to only offer the technique, not tips, no advice. this gives the advantage of creating more complex and useful techniques by combining your knowledge with a simple powerful technique.
anyone may use it as they wish. and they may observe stunning effects and find a new path in their magick work.
i am scientist type of guy that is not considering psi stuff to be physical but studies it as an extra dimension. i am not teaching engineering right now because i feel lack of science.

[RoseRed]

But that question was to those that do chakra work. It's not my area.

[Neko-phyte]

I thought it was considered generally unsafe to begin chakra work in the head. Not my area.

Novice, but +1 to this. Messing with the third eye straight up is dangerous, especially if the base chakra is weak.
Even moreso for the crown chakra--this is a chakra which cannot be properly and safely opened if your lower chakras are weak, particularly the base.

Personal experience, just 'cause: I tried to actively open my crown chakra once because I thought my base chakra was strong enough, as I was doing a longer meditation session, starting at the base and working my way up. I almost passed out. Learned about where I was the hard way ._. I was lucky that no other harm came to me.

I'm not trying to tell people what is wrong or right, I've just experienced not great things from rushing, and heard even worse stories from others. Please be careful in this journey :s

P.S: It's been in my experience that if you get pain in the center of your forehead, or a tension headache around the center of your forehead, you need to stop and take a break or you can end up feeling like hungover. Chakras become stronger both from practice, and from clearing any blocks (and this can--and often needs to be--done in different ways). It's not often a quick process. Be careful.

[ThyNegative]

and now you have started opening your third eye?

[Neko-phyte]

A little, but most of my focus is still on my base and sacral, and solar plexus and throat to a lesser extent. There's not much I can do using the third eye without becoming exhausted (aforementioned headaches + fatigue). It's also why I don't practice a lot in general. I'm working on improving these things first, along with increasing my knowledge, and then moving forward.

It makes sense to me to have a strong base in particular before working on anything else. It is, after all, a foundation. My sacral is also personally weak, and I've found that working with the sacral has been also improving my throat.

Solar plexus--a lot can be done energetically through the solar plexus. I think some people think that the only psychic work can be done through third eye and crown, but that's not true at all, at least not in my experience. For example, I learned earlier in the year that vague 'gut feelings' can be refined by focusing that feeling into the solar plexus area, and quickly interrogating it, for lack of a better word. I can do it now without needing to visualise, which I think is important.

Good luck

[Shinichi]

Perhaps you should all study some traditional Yoga, so that you better understand the natural process of this work and the difference between working on your Chakras with Prana and doing real Kundalini Yoga. There are dangers to doing this kind of work, and there are especially dangers to doing it wrong. Look up the terms "Kundalini Sickness" as well as "Qigong Sickness."

As for the forehead tingles: http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archive ... kobad.html

Yin Tang is not the Third Eye (which I can argue does not exist at all, the way new agers claim at least) and it is not the Ajna, which is much deeper. It is an energy point on the surface of the skin that has many effects, because it is one of the "Special Points," different from the normal ones on the primary meridians.



~:Shin:~

[Neko-phyte]

Perhaps you should all study some traditional Yoga, so that you better understand the natural process of this work and the difference between working on your Chakras with Prana and doing real Kundalini Yoga. There are dangers to doing this kind of work, and there are especially dangers to doing it wrong. Look up the terms "Kundalini Sickness" as well as "Qigong Sickness."

As for the forehead tingles: http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archive ... kobad.html

Yin Tang is not the Third Eye (which I can argue does not exist at all, the way new agers claim at least) and it is not the Ajna, which is much deeper. It is an energy point on the surface of the skin that has many effects, because it is one of the "Special Points," different from the normal ones on the primary meridians.



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I've been meaning to actually start Yoga, but my chiro raised concerns about some tendon issues in the past (I don't mind sharing it, but it's a big story). I was intending to ask about that status as I'd felt like it had improved, but I didn't know if it was enough. Now I have another reason to ask.

Definitely checking out that link though and googling those terms. Although I'd found these things made sense to me as I knew them, it's definitely hard to find a solid source of info about yoga and chakras, especially because of the new age movement. Thank you for your provision.

Just for curiosity, where do you understand Ajna to be? I know there's a few different conclusions to its location, and again I have my own experience, but I'd like to know your thoughts on it, if you don't mind sharing.

edit/update: so I'm having a look at these things, and I must admit, I'm a little heartbroken. There's heavy suggestion, especially for what I've found under "Qigong Sickness," that these things happen not just from unprepared awakening and/or improper performance, but can happen because of underlying illnesses, especially chronic ones. I have quite a few chronic issues going on, some of which have existed since birth. In short, does this mean that chasing this path is going to be purely in vain for me? Or is it possible, just extremely difficult?

[Shinichi]

I've been meaning to actually start Yoga, but my chiro raised concerns about some tendon issues in the past (I don't mind sharing it, but it's a big story). I was intending to ask about that status as I'd felt like it had improved, but I didn't know if it was enough. Now I have another reason to ask.

There are postures you can do even with problems like that, and Yoga as a whole is more than the Posture Yoga that is most popular in the West.

Definitely checking out that link though and googling those terms. Although I'd found these things made sense to me as I knew them, it's definitely hard to find a solid source of info about yoga and chakras, especially because of the new age movement. Thank you for your provision.

There are plenty of good resources. The Yoga Sutras are free to read. I tend to suggest Crowley's Eight Lectures as thoroughly useful to anyone who is approaching Yoga from an Occult perspective. The Science of Breath is an excellent book on Pranayama, which I tend to recommend to anyone who does breathing exercises or energy work at all. Kundalini, The Mother of The Universe is one of the first texts that introduced Westerners to Kundalini and does a good job of it. There is a web page on Kundalini Shakti here that further talks about the nature of Kundalini and its relation to all other energy. And, one of my former teachers wrote introductory articles on Hatha and Raja Yoga that are decent as well.

And there's plenty more besides that. There are some good Gurus who have gotten onto Youtube and such too, like Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath and Sadguru, who have many interesting videos talking about various aspects of Yoga and spiritual life in general.

Just for curiosity, where do you understand Ajna to be? I know there's a few different conclusions to its location, and again I have my own experience, but I'd like to know your thoughts on it, if you don't mind sharing.

Each of the Chakras are nerve-meridian clusters inside the body, deeper than the surface where points like Yin Tang are. The lower ones are all inside/along the spine (which is deeper than most people think), the Ajna is in the brain - basically the general area where Yin Tang is (which is connected to it, but different), but behind that, deeper. Most people connect it to the PIneal Gland and that area of the brain. Then Sahasrara is at the very top, on and above the head, and is connected to the Baihui acupuncture point. When the lotus blossoms, Baihui opens with it.

All of the chakras have acupuncture points relating to them, because of the nature of the anatomy and how these things are connected, and the way prana/qi flows through the nadis/meridians. It's important to not confuse the acupuncture points for the chakras, because doing incorrect chakra work is dangerous enough, but if you mess with acupuncture points without knowing anything you can throw many other things out of balance too by disrupting the natural flow of energy.



~:Shin:~

[Neko-phyte]

Wow, thank you so so much for this information. Looking at all of this as well.

Each of the Chakras are nerve-meridian clusters inside the body, deeper than the surface where points like Yin Tang are. The lower ones are all inside/along the spine (which is deeper than most people think), the Ajna is in the brain - basically the general area where Yin Tang is (which is connected to it, but different), but behind that, deeper. Most people connect it to the PIneal Gland and that area of the brain. Then Sahasrara is at the very top, on and above the head, and is connected to the Baihui acupuncture point. When the lotus blossoms, Baihui opens with it.

All of the chakras have acupuncture points relating to them, because of the nature of the anatomy and how these things are connected, and the way prana/qi flows through the nadis/meridians. It's important to not confuse the acupuncture points for the chakras, because doing incorrect chakra work is dangerous enough, but if you mess with acupuncture points without knowing anything you can throw many other things out of balance too by disrupting the natural flow of energy.



~:Shin:~

Ok, at least I'm understanding the correct locations of the chakras. That's something ._. I had absolutely no intention of messing with acupuncture, but I appreciate this information as well. My chiro operates holistically and has been helping to correct the flow of my own chi as well (amongst other things). Thanks for your patience.

[Shinichi]

Most students of Yoga don't understand the acupuncture correlations because Yoga is Indian, and acupuncture is Chinese. In the Yoga traditions, it'll be understood in terms of prana, the nadis, and so on. I just happened to have been exposed to a lot of Daoist Tradition too, so I kinda understand them as two parts of a whole, two partial approaches to the same very big subject. It actually makes a lot of my work easier, but learning more than one system in depth is a pain and I don't really recommend it for most people. It's kinda like getting a Double Major or something. lol



~:Shin:~

[Neko-phyte]

lol yeah done a double major once, not doing a similar thing if I can help it (probably not)

I was looking at studying alternative medicine for a while, and one class covered information for all the different majors. One of these was Traditional Chinese Medicine, and things like understandings of chi and pressure points were discussed in that. As far as I see it, they are all different paradigms for the same thing that is going on in the body, and the more you know about each thing, the closer you get to Truth (and that goes for pretty much anything). I personally have had the most effects when acknowledging the existence of the chakras and trying to work within that paradigm, at least to begin with. So it's good to be able to refine and add to the little knowledge I had much further [thumbup] I've also had good successes with practicing Qigong, and soon I'll be able to engage in it all much more once I'm done with uni in a couple of weeks (yeah, not good at helping it lol)

[RoseRed]

Neko, you'll find that chronic illness is very common on occultic paths. Especially, on the more shamanic style paths. It's believed that spirit can operate more clearly/ closely/ insert adverb of choice, through the cracks.

And people drop lsd and other hallucinagens when summoning or performing ritual instead of doing the years of prep work before hand. Shortcuts can be quite dangerous. And there's really no reason for them other than lack of patience or knowledge. You're theorizing about things are are well documented - if you know where to look.

It doesn't always work without consequence or side effect. And then once your etheric body is all tied up in knots, people end up looking for someone to help them undo what never had to be in the first place. There's a reason us boring old timers talk about building solid foundations. But people do what they want. Goddess knows I've jumped in the shark tank of my own free will often enough LOL

[Neko-phyte]

Neko, you'll find that chronic illness is very common on occultic paths. Especially, on the more shamanic style paths. It's believed that spirit can operate more clearly/ closely/ insert adverb of choice, through the cracks.

And people drop lsd and other hallucinagens when summoning or performing ritual instead of doing the years of prep work before hand. Shortcuts can be quite dangerous. And there's really no reason for them other than lack of patience or knowledge. You're theorizing about things are are well documented - if you know where to look.

It doesn't always work without consequence or side effect. And then once your etheric body is all tied up in knots, people end up looking for someone to help them undo what never had to be in the first place. There's a reason us boring old timers talk about building solid foundations. But people do what they want. Goddess knows I've jumped in the shark tank of my own free will often enough LOL

Oh really? Well that's encouraging, I guess.

I don't know if the rest of what your saying is addressed to me as well, but I don't intend on taking shortcuts but I didn't know quite where to look either, so it seems I picked up some bad info in the process? (That's why I joined here in the first place, to get good info. I was going to wait until my semester was done until I joined so I had all the free time in the world to study, but I couldn't help myself...)

[ThyNegative]

let me ask you, is it safer to practice for 4 years or 10 years on the lower chakras and then go for sixth and third eye chakras?
which one is safer? 4 years or 10 years?

[Neko-phyte]

...I'd imagine it's more of a 'as long as it takes' kind of thing. Check out the links that Shinichi's provided. They're really good. You'll find good answers there

[ThyNegative]

then let me ask you clearer.
the harm of practicing on a chakra, is caused because of weakness of lower chakras or weakness and strength of all other chakras( in other terms balance between all chakras )?
which one of these factors is true?
does meditating only on the root chakra alone (any possible amount) cause any harm? or it doesn't?

[Neko-phyte]

It's not a matter of clearness. I am understanding you, but as I said to begin with, I am a novice and thus my knowledge is limited. Shinichi has provided some fantastic things that are worth investigating for yourself. I have spent much of today doing so, and it's brought immense benefit. (Thanks again!!)

What I can answer is, from what I understand, it's about both weakness and balance. Each person will have their own balance, but it is important to have a strong foundation. From the seven major chakra centers, the kundalini energy is stored in the root chakra, and will eventually rise to the crown once the chakras are open. So if you are trying to do chakra work, it is good to start there. If you have a bad starting point, it's harder to reach the end goal, right?

Anything can be dangerous if done wrong, without correct guidance. The reason there is caution against starting with the third eye, however, is because it has strong links to other things of a psychic nature. Without good preparation, it can be a very dangerous experience. Problems with the astral plane are common stories that I've heard about when opening the third eye is rushed.

Having said all of this, even in the present my own perceptions about this are changing because I am doing more investigation. I'm now in the middle of closely examining what I had thought, and coming up with different conclusions and new information. Please check out the links and youtube channels mentioned. They can answer much more than I can, much more correctly, and in a lot more detail. Good luck [thumbup]

Edit: Here is an older thread on a similar topic. Good food for thought. http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 18&t=36905

[Shinichi]

ThyNegative, you are over complicating the simplicity of Kundalini Yoga by relying on your own theories. You can meditate on the root for as long as you like, but there is more to this than just contemplative meditation or even prana-energy work.

When you detox the body and energy circulation system to a certain degree, the Muladhara blossoms and Shakti awakens. When you detox yourself a certain degree further, Svadhishthana becomes purified, blossoms, and the Kundalini Shakti rises to take permanent residence in Svadhishthana. Then you achieve a further level of detox, the next chakras blossom, and the Kundalini Shakti continues rising until your body and soul are completely detoxed, Shakti and Shiva Unite in the head, and the Kundalini blossoms from the Sahasrara - which provides a certain stage of Samadhi, as well.

It is a very simple, very natural process of detox and spiritual refinement. Part of the danger of working on the higher chakras is the delusion of having the actually open when, in truth, they do not properly open until Shakti takes residence there. Part of the danger involves the nature of the mind and consciousness, and how mental health can be disturbed when a certain balance is broken. Part of the danger is that you might actually force Shakti to rise up, but because the detox process was skipped, you can cause a whole host of problems to both your mind and your body (seriously, google Kundalini Sickness).

There's really no need for special techniques. Yoga is a tradition that has stood for thousands of years, it already has countless good techniques, from the various pranayamas to the kriyas to many other things. All you have to do is empty your cup and learn.



~:Shin:~

[RoseRed]

then let me ask you clearer.
the harm of practicing on a chakra, is caused because of weakness of lower chakras or weakness and strength of all other chakras( in other terms balance between all chakras )?

Then I'll answer you more clearly as well.

Find someone who specializes in chakras. You're demanding answers and time frames from people that already told you it's really not their thing. Do you really think you'll get specific answers from those who have already told you they do not have them?

Time frames? That's an individual thing.

If you want to open up and allow your energy centers to flow more freely - go get a couple Reiki attunements. It pretty much does the same thing - it's just from a different culture.

[ThyNegative]

my purpose from asking this questions was to say that PART of the dangers that most of people assume are delusions.
as you said your self, they don't really open till they get enough energy.
dangerous of this technique, is not actually for every one . and ultimates are not for every one. the first chakra that i begin to meditate on without having knowledge about anything about occult which happened when i was trying to find a way for telekinesis was the third eye chakra. but at that time it didn't had a second part. it was only energy directing with no relaxing! i practiced on it for a year without practicing on any other chakra. then third eye and sixth chakra together for another year. actually i treat myself like my own lab rat. i used this technique to overload my self to a level were no one can achieve with traditional yoga because they are not tense practices. the most dangerous part of this technique is actually using it on the sixth and crown chakra without any relaxation. most of the people that tried it, had a migraine attack after using it .so i removed it from the instructions. this people couldn't take it's pain for more than 2 minutes ( 2 minutes was the record between them ). this is while i tried so hard for six month to take it to the edge, activate it for about 24 hours to see were the harm could go, and nothing happened to me. i am pretty sure that learning this technique doesn't cost you more than few migraines.
i call this technique ultimate not because of being safest, but because other techniques can't give you much direct access for targeting while directing energy. while someone learns this technique , he can track the progress that he made without any additional help, and that person will be absolutely sure that THIS IS NOT DELUSION.
on traditional yoga i have never seen a technique that lets you track it's progress without additional help. most of people trying them doesn't know if they are working or not, doesn't know if they are doing them wrong or right. if you know such technique in traditional yoga, let us know. i am not saying they are useless, but require additional help from someone else and can't guarantee that you are making any progress till someone with at least auric sight ability is informing you of your progress.

[Shinichi]

my purpose from asking this questions was to say that PART of the dangers that most of people assume are delusions.
as you said your self, they don't really open till they get enough energy.

No. I said they don't open properly until the nadis are detoxed properly. You can force energy through unhealthy nadis and get results, but they are usually results accompanied by many side effects, since that is an unnatural way to work. Delusion is not the only health problem associated with Kundalini Sickness.

dangerous of this technique, is not actually for every one . and ultimates are not for every one. the first chakra that i begin to meditate on without having knowledge about anything about occult which happened when i was trying to find a way for telekinesis was the third eye chakra.

If you want to learn psychokinesis, then actually practice exercises relevant to psychokinesis. It has nothing to do with the chakras, and when you do training that is actually relevant to it, you can develop skill with it very quickly. It's seriously not a big deal. Too many people excessively mystify and over complicate it.

i used this technique to overload my self to a level were no one can achieve with traditional yoga because they are not tense practices.

Saying that traditional yoga is not intense only proves to me that you have never done it. Correct Pranayama is one of the most intense exercises you can do. Samadhi is one of the most intense states of consciousness you can experience. You can very easily overload and damage yourself if you do things incorrectly, which is the primary reason it is always advised that you have a Guru. A genuine Guru's job is not just to teach, but to regulate the progress of the chela to make sure progress is made safely.

the most dangerous part of this technique is actually using it on the sixth and crown chakra without any relaxation. most of the people that tried it, had a migraine attack after using it .so i removed it from the instructions. this people couldn't take it's pain for more than 2 minutes ( 2 minutes was the record between them ). this is while i tried so hard for six month to take it to the edge, activate it for about 24 hours to see were the harm could go, and nothing happened to me. i am pretty sure that learning this technique doesn't cost you more than few migraines.

This is what happens when you mess with acupuncture points without understanding the natural flow of energy. Pain is a sign that you are doing it wrong, you know. None of my practices cause pain unless I screw up big time. They heal me, balance me, energize me, and empower me.

on traditional yoga i have never seen a technique that lets you track it's progress without additional help. most of people trying them doesn't know if they are working or not, doesn't know if they are doing them wrong or right. if you know such technique in traditional yoga, let us know. i am not saying they are useless, but require additional help from someone else and can't guarantee that you are making any progress till someone with at least auric sight ability is informing you of your progress.

1) Asana. Simple practice with clear, precise steps of progress that can be worked through alone. The first step of my Fundamental Development paper provides very clear instruction on this, drawing directly from my Yoga training.

2) Pranayama. Asana is the prerequisite. A simple practice with clear, precise steps of progress and clear marks of attainment that can be worked through alone. Crowley's Eight Lectures, linked previously, talk about this plainly.

3) Pratyahara. Asana and the attainments of Pranayama, including Nadi Sodhan (the detoxification of the Nadis) are the prerequisites. A simple stage of meditation with clear, precise steps of progress and clear marks of attainment that can be worked through alone.

4) Dharana. Asana, Pranayama, and Pratyahara lead up to this. There are clear signs of progress that can be worked through.

5) Dhyana. The attainments of Dharana lead up to this. There are clear signs of progress that can be worked through.

6) Samadhi. The attainments of Dhyana lead up to this. There are clear signs of progress that can be worked through, and several stages to achieve deeper states of Samadhi as well.

And that's just Hatha and Raja Yoga. There is a reason the Yogis call it a Science. It is a very precise system, if you actually bother to learn it. There is also Kriya Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Japa Yoga, Kundalini Yoga, and many other Yogas with very clear stages of progress. In Buddhism, there are also things like anapanasati, which, again, has very clear stages of progress. Qi Gong has very clear stages of progress. Then there's also things like Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics, which is a synthesis of Tibetan Tantra and Western Hermeticism. These things are so precise that it's like leveling up in an RPG. Gain EXP in practice, achievement unlocked from lots of practice, level up! Then continue.

Most people in the West do not know if they are practicing real Yoga or not because they are not learning real Yoga. When you learn real Yoga, real things happen. When I do pranayama, I sweat and shake and sometimes bounce as my body is detoxed. When I first learned Bardon's fire accumulation years ago, I accidentally raised the temperature of the entire room, which I didn't even notice until my nephew walked in and pointed it out. When I first felt Shakti in my root, it was like sitting on a lightning bolt. These things are very real, and very clear, and very potent when you are learning them properly and doing them correctly.

There is no need to theorize, experiment, and make up things when so many giants have already come before you. Take advantage of what is available to you. Learn.



~:Shin:~