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cyberdemon wrote:While I've been out and about absent from the forums, I've come across two topics that ought to be of great interest to any open minded occultist of this forum. As we all know, occultists make up the "crazies" populace of humanity, perhaps second only to conspiracy. We are the pseudo behind the science, the thinkers behind the thought. Therefore, without further ado, I present to you my findings, and I caution and urge everyone to take these topics seriously and force open your mind if need be. Be warned, these will take up a lot of your time.
The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence headed by Steven M Greer (medical doctor) continues to hold seminars with the topic of "disclosure". What are they disclosing? In general, Dr Greer repeatedly states that extraterrestrials have been among us and that their existence is being hidden by governments around the world. He sheds light on various organizations working in secrecy, and I personally believe that this man has defined and put into the open names and groups associated with the collective we in general term "the Illuminati". Between all this, Dr Greer also talks about "free energy" and the very real possibility of energy-from-nothing, and how this technology is being suppressed. He has worked closely with government institutions, contractors and key people in-the-loop with the things we are hidden from, and he presents all of his findings in the form of seminars.

Of greater interest is Dr Greer's method for establishing contact with extraterrestrials: meditation. This is what set off a red light in my head when going through Dr Greer's lectures, which are extremely interesting enough already. Meditation is our thing, as occultists. We use it to contact all sorts of higher beings. Dr Greer has taken this a step forward (or sideways) and essentially, he and his groups perform meditative rituals to summon higher beings. "According to him", his attempts have worked. The reason why I put that in quotemarks is because we, as occultists, know according to each of us, a lot of things work.

So, what are we waiting for? Have a small list of full records of Dr Greer's lectures.
1. Contact Workshop in Glendale, Los Angeles, CA. In this lecture, Dr Greer introduces and details his research and gives an example of his meditation techniques.

Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9lIXAsuTQ (2:14:55)
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RntXcjLxRo (1:41:45)

2. The Crossing Point Of Light and the Untold History Behind Disclosure, Washington DC seminar is where Dr Greer discusses politics and suppressed information in great, great detail.

Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_-kMVwJaDA (3:37:40)
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-TUsaQw9xY (3:39:36)

3. The European Connection, London, UK seminar happened in September 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xKwdnxGJuY (2:09:53)
The second topic is something that I've brought up before. The problem with it is that the Flat Earth conspiracy is literally the ultimate and polarizing pinnacle of all conspiracy theories. Moreover, after you're done with Dr Greer's examples of extraterrestrial beings, this topic is the complete opposite of the spectrum. Do you believe in NASA? Do you believe that they are actually photographing anything or do you believe that their imagery is CGI? Mark Sargent set off on the journey to debunk the conspiracy and once and for all in February earlier this year, and has since been lost down the rabbit hole.

After creating a series of podcasts called "Flat Earth Clues", Mark Sargent's exceptional voice landed him a job at an alternative radio station called Truth Frequency Radio. In his show, he interviews other youtube conspiracists who focus on the topic of Flat Earth. Mark brings up issues such as the Antarctic Peace Treaty, the Van Allen Radiation Belt, and so on, practices of the US Military, perpetuating that the earth is flat and the biggest lie in human history is the sphere map placed in every child's classroom as a form of indoctrination.

Surprisingly, as the months have gone by, nobody has managed to prove that the earth is spherical. Instead, even without pointing out that NASA and other space agencies prefer fish-eye lenses over others, Mark and his associates have sent up weather balloons to search for a curvature and found none. Even more surprisingly, people employed as land surveyors and air pilots and even military personnel have stepped forward to testify that in their careers they have never once seen a curvature with their own two eyes in practice.

And the rabbit hole only continues to dig deeper when it starts asking questions about the Biblical reference to the Firmament, the Norse mythos, the Hindu mythos and other ancient scriptures talking about a flat earth..
This playlist contains the Flat Earth clues introduction and clues 1-12 together.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... UAEXgEDDGn

Mark Sargent also hosts all his interviews on his youtube channel.
As a final note, I should mention that both parties believe there will be an upcoming Project Blue Beam, a conspiracy theory that claims that NASA is attempting to implement a New Age religion with the Antichrist at its head and start a New World Order, via a technologically-simulated Second Coming. With the recent sightings of floating cities over China..

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I started a reply but it's now become a bit of a saga, so I thought I'd check first: are you supporting these ideas or trying to debunk them? There is plenty of easily-digested science to debunk these ideas (I'm a retired post-doctoral scientist BTW).

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I personally believe these lot are basically a thorn in the side of true occultism and the pursuit towards truth.

All they do with these meditation sessions is demonstrate to the outside world that only the deluded bother to meditate or pursue any kind of contact practices with entities.

Most of their arguments are very fallacious and easily dismantled. My main issue with 'them governments are evil and out to get it' conspiracy based theories is that in the whole, the government of most countries is highly inefficient and leaks like a sieve, even when it comes to 'normal scale' secret projects. Nevermind something so ludicrous as faking the apollo missions. Just look at PRISM and Snowdon.

Taking such an illogical position as these just sets us back in the long run.
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[thumbup] Nicely put. A very learned Professorial former-colleague of mine once told me (in a conversation where he was promoting the genius of Franz Kafka) that stupidity and gross inefficiency in a ruling body frequently looks like a conspiracy to an individual who suffers at the hands of it. I've found that to be quite true in many circumstances.

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Sypheara wrote:I personally believe these lot are basically a thorn in the side of true occultism and the pursuit towards truth.
This, so much this.
I get really uncomfortable with people who are clearly "out there". I can take a lot of insane theories but when those theories are easily debunked yet they still cling to them and call everybody that disagrees unenlightened or part of some Illuminati-type organization that wants to silence them I just get...bored.
IMO there is no active force barring my way but for the unlocked potential in my own mind. I've been a member of many organizations that were supposedly "evil" and had a hidden agenda but the truth is far more boring. Economic power IS at play with a lot of them but actual world domination? Nope. Won't work. Masses are hard to control, just look at history. Empires always fall when the people no longer support it. The common man actually has a lot of power; the power of the herd should never be underestimated. It's a shame many feel they are being suppressed and feel they have no power whilst they actually do.
If the Illuminati were really as good as they say they are, this information would never be so freely available. They would control the mass-media!

Time to stock up on tin-foil it seems.

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Astrophysics and magnetism forces matter into an efficient shape. This happens at the macro and micro levels.

The earth is not flat. Someone would have found the edge a long time ago.

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cyberdemon wrote: As a final note, I should mention that both parties believe there will be an upcoming Project Blue Beam, a conspiracy theory that claims that NASA is attempting to implement a New Age religion with the Antichrist at its head and start a New World Order, via a technologically-simulated Second Coming. With the recent sightings of floating cities over China..

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Desecrated wrote:
cyberdemon wrote: As a final note, I should mention that both parties believe there will be an upcoming Project Blue Beam, a conspiracy theory that claims that NASA is attempting to implement a New Age religion with the Antichrist at its head and start a New World Order, via a technologically-simulated Second Coming. With the recent sightings of floating cities over China..

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A padded cell ;D
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Of course, you're all replying without watching any of the videos.

Now, why would I post such daunting links? These things aren't jokes from your global mod. These are things I honestly believe require more than just opinions at this point. I wouldn't place these things as "pinnacles" of anything without reason.
magari wrote:Astrophysics and magnetism forces matter into an efficient shape. This happens at the macro and micro levels.

The earth is not flat. Someone would have found the edge a long time ago.
What if they have? Just the fact that humans are power/resource hungry should mean that Antarctica should be open game, it should be completely rigged by now. Yet it isn't. It has been sealed off as a kill-on-sight zone with "treaties" and so on to hide the truth. Again, I'll point you towards Mark Sargent's videos, if only for a change of air.
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Sypheara wrote:I personally believe these lot are basically a thorn in the side of true occultism and the pursuit towards truth.
This, so much this.
I get really uncomfortable with people who are clearly "out there". I can take a lot of insane theories but when those theories are easily debunked yet they still cling to them and call everybody that disagrees unenlightened or part of some Illuminati-type organization that wants to silence them I just get...bored.
IMO there is no active force barring my way but for the unlocked potential in my own mind. I've been a member of many organizations that were supposedly "evil" and had a hidden agenda but the truth is far more boring. Economic power IS at play with a lot of them but actual world domination? Nope. Won't work. Masses are hard to control, just look at history. Empires always fall when the people no longer support it. The common man actually has a lot of power; the power of the herd should never be underestimated. It's a shame many feel they are being suppressed and feel they have no power whilst they actually do.
If the Illuminati were really as good as they say they are, this information would never be so freely available. They would control the mass-media!

Time to stock up on tin-foil it seems.
Masses aren't actually that hard to control. You just have to be there from the "beginning", calling all the shots.
I'm at a loss as to whether you're being sarcastic with the "they would control the mass-media" comment or not. If you are, you're contradicting yourself. If you're not, well, good for you! People who are in the bliss of ignorance lead the best of lives and personally I actually envy them.

Why would either of these theories be in the way of occultism? Perpetuating that the earth is flat ties in with all the core paradigms (ie. religion) that we build off and perpetuating that extraterrestrial creatures are more in tune with consciousness than we think ties in exactly with how we work with invocations/evocations and meditation and so on..

I don't see the problem in entertaining "mainstream" theories! And again, I assure you, these two people are not as mainstream as you may preconceive. These are real people, doing real things. We are doing far less.
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Really?

Over half those things have already been proven to be wrong, a few simply have alternative theories to work with the alternative model. The rest depends on whether you believe in NASA or not. Personally I don't, and I never have, even before I came across the flat earth idea.

Here are some points.

The moon gives off a cooling light. Experiment this for yourself.
At sea, the "horizon" isn't real and you can see easily past the mirage using a zoom lens. Another easy one.
The Chicago skyline "mirage" is the actual Chicago skyline that you're seeing and not a mirage.
The average dip of 8 inches for every square mile equation is flawed, just as much as the Bedford level experiment was flawed and ended up proving the earth is flat.
It's a whole Pandora's box of things we can argue about, and it all boils down to (amazingly) what you believe in, or choose to believe in.

And personally, I refuse to let science be my religion. One of the core rules of being an occultist is to NOT trust in the words of others, even if it's what they all vouch for, because in essence they're vouching for eachother's indoctrination. There's a very fine line between education and indoctrination in current times, and I don't mean to force either aliens nor flat earth beliefs onto any of you, I just want to make sure you're all as open minded as you think you are.

Otherwise, you're living in a bubble and no matter what you've done with magick or otherwise, you're no different from the general public.

Imagine this. If someone on these forums came up and said "I had an invocation, and I was taught by an entity that the earth is flat". Yes, sure, point them towards a mental institute, but then what are you doing at a forum about the occult? And why would you then disregard information from an entity from another level that you strive so hard to know more about?

Ask yourself. Ask yourself all the questions. What are you doing? And who is anyone to tell you what to believe in, let alone indoctrinate almost 8 billion people through mass media and manipulated education?
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cyberdemon wrote: Imagine this. If someone on these forums came up and said "I had an invocation, and I was taught by an entity that the earth is flat". Yes, sure, point them towards a mental institute, but then what are you doing at a forum about the occult?
You know, I can turn that around. Why would you post about some conspiracy nut bullshit on an occult forum? Why not find a conspiracy forum?
And if the world was flat, what difference does it make? Does it help you pay the bill? does it help you stay healthy? Does it affect your family? Does it make you a better magician?

No. It's a fucking waste of time. If the secret illuminati space lizard government are so fucking powerful that they can control everything, then there is nothing to do about it anyway, because we would all be powerless. And writing about it on a forum is not going to do shit. So not only are you wasting your time, your wasting our time, you're wasting serverspace and more importantly; As a moderator, you are making the whole fucking forum look bad.

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Why should I care?

Why should I bother with these "theories" when modern technology (gps, radio, astrophysics, ect) depend on the opposite being true?

I've met a few people who have been to Antarctica. American scientists and Japanese whalers who returned with plenty of pictures. The scientist trekked most of the continent gathering core samples. With the amount of money invested in these operations you'd think they would need a good idea of how big the coast of Antarctica is, you know... for fuel. Fuel that costs tons of money and if the earth is flat the the coastline is actual exponentially longer than modern cartography says it is..... but its not, and society can make accurate predictions on how much fuel its going to take to get from one side of Antarctica to the other and back home with valuable scientific data, or fish and whales for food. Are you saying that if Antarctica wasn't a secret that there would be an entire society down there? Antarctica isn't a secret, its just not feasible to live their. The costs would be outrageous. No food, no infrastructure. There is a reason the only people down there live near the sea.

I'm sorry, but a "medical doctor" who is in charge of discovering aliens (what do the two have to do with each other anyways?) and has no real proof of anything either way isn't what I would consider a credible source.

My "magick" can be backed up by modern science and when looking towards the future, chaos mathematics and observable patterns (fibonacci sequence). I believe in Aliens, but not because someone meditated with the intention of contacting them. I believe in free energy too, but because Tesla's scientific research has been proven over and over again by other scientists conducting the same and similar experiments. Is the government hiding this from us? No, it just takes an immense investment of money to make it work, an investment no one is willing to risk on a bunch of conspiracy theorists.

The earth has been observed by multiple perspectives, cameras, and people from all around the world to not be flat. This is an observation that can be measured and tested by anyone, anywhere, and generate similar results.

Again, why should I care? If you're using this as proof that I'm a slave of the Illuminati then my part in this conversation ends here.

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Again....

I need to buy fuel to get home.... Who's map should I trust?

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Desecrated, because she's making a point.

Nicely done, cyberdemon. It's so much fun to watch you play [happyface]
Imagine this. If someone on these forums came up and said "I had an invocation, and I was taught by an entity that the earth is flat". Yes, sure, point them towards a mental institute, but then what are you doing at a forum about the occult? And why would you then disregard information from an entity from another level that you strive so hard to know more about?
Imagine that. Something similar happened here. And if that's all that it was I would completely agree with the above.
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Desecrated wrote:
cyberdemon wrote: Imagine this. If someone on these forums came up and said "I had an invocation, and I was taught by an entity that the earth is flat". Yes, sure, point them towards a mental institute, but then what are you doing at a forum about the occult?
You know, I can turn that around. Why would you post about some conspiracy nut bullshit on an occult forum? Why not find a conspiracy forum?
And if the world was flat, what difference does it make? Does it help you pay the bill? does it help you stay healthy? Does it affect your family? Does it make you a better magician?

No. It's a fucking waste of time. If the secret illuminati space lizard government are so fucking powerful that they can control everything, then there is nothing to do about it anyway, because we would all be powerless. And writing about it on a forum is not going to do shit. So not only are you wasting your time, your wasting our time, you're wasting serverspace and more importantly; As a moderator, you are making the whole fucking forum look bad.
Language, Des.

Conspiracy forums are already packed. Besides, occultists ought to have better ideas. Don't worry, I knew I'd be met with resistance. The topic of flat earth is vitriol!

What difference does it make? It makes a huge difference, see. If the earth is really flat, it proves that every institution that you've given power to give you your "rights", to police you, to say where your tax money goes, are using us like sheep - as if there aren't indications already as to it. Bigger and/or more powerful governments control the smaller ones and so on, and to talk about aliens and flat earth? Nobody will dare to go up against 8 billion people in public yet since, y'know, people fear being ridiculed. Especially politicians.

Secondly, if the earth is flat, it opens up a huge amount of pathways towards spirituality that have otherwise been trampled down by science as a religion. This is what's bugging me. From the traditional contesting standpoint of God vs Lucifer with the fallen angel being the master of lies, to the turtles of the Vedas or even the Greek Atlas holding the earth up on his shoulders.. All these require new explanations, further study. Everything changes, Des.

No, I'm not wasting time. I said people are easy to control, I didn't say the masses are powerless. One step at a time, even if it is to poke people in the eye to do the figurative "open your eyes" thing, is a good thing.

And, yes. I've brought up brilliant topics for discussion, but I do see how making other people retort defensively, though, is making the forums look bad. Lack of civility and a lack of that famous open mind we supposedly have. That needs to change too.
magari wrote:Why should I care?

Why should I bother with these "theories" when modern technology (gps, radio, astrophysics, ect) depend on the opposite being true?

I've met a few people who have been to Antarctica. American scientists and Japanese whalers who returned with plenty of pictures. The scientist trekked most of the continent gathering core samples. With the amount of money invested in these operations you'd think they would need a good idea of how big the coast of Antarctica is, you know... for fuel. Fuel that costs tons of money and if the earth is flat the the coastline is actual exponentially longer than modern cartography says it is..... but its not, and society can make accurate predictions on how much fuel its going to take to get from one side of Antarctica to the other and back home with valuable scientific data, or fish and whales for food. Are you saying that if Antarctica wasn't a secret that there would be an entire society down there? Antarctica isn't a secret, its just not feasible to live their. The costs would be outrageous. No food, no infrastructure. There is a reason the only people down there live near the sea.

I'm sorry, but a "medical doctor" who is in charge of discovering aliens (what do the two have to do with each other anyways?) and has no real proof of anything either way isn't what I would consider a credible source.

My "magick" can be backed up by modern science and when looking towards the future, chaos mathematics and observable patterns (fibonacci sequence). I believe in Aliens, but not because someone meditated with the intention of contacting them. I believe in free energy too, but because Tesla's scientific research has been proven over and over again by other scientists conducting the same and similar experiments. Is the government hiding this from us? No, it just takes an immense investment of money to make it work, an investment no one is willing to risk on a bunch of conspiracy theorists.

The earth has been observed by multiple perspectives, cameras, and people from all around the world to not be flat. This is an observation that can be measured and tested by anyone, anywhere, and generate similar results.

Again, why should I care? If you're using this as proof that I'm a slave of the Illuminati then my part in this conversation ends here.
Modern technology, sure, works. But how they really work isn't how you think they work. GPS is ground based. Satellites aren't all real, most of the space mission is funded to continue performing for the elaborate show-the-world hoax. Astrophysics is real? Not really, no. The ISS is mathematically impossible to support against the "vacuum" of space. The Van Allen radiation belt is a problem for future space missions, but apparently wasn't a problem back in '69 since "scientists didn't know about it".

Antarctica still has restricted areas. 16 at the time of the treaty in 1985. Just around when both the US and Russia were spending on building rockets shooting straight up with "no trajectory". Oh look the firmament! Let's nuke it! The walls start in Antarctica, seal that area off! Countries like Malaysia threw their own hissy fits, and here's a quote from the NY Times back in the day.
The treaty nations have also come under criticism from third world countries, particularly Malaysia, which says the organization is an exclusive club that is establishing a monopoly on the potential riches of Antarctica.
We all know humans don't give two pennies about nature, or else we'd have no deforestation problems, climate change, and so on. Yet the resource rich Antarctica is protected?! You mean to tell me that we don't have enough warm clothes to make Antarctica feasible, but you want to tell me that astronauts can colonize the moon or Mars where supposedly there's even more nothingness? The costs for those are outrageous.

Medicine is the last thing on the line, before big-pharma, where education cannot lie to the public. Dr Greer is further educated in yoga, meditation, world religion, and so on. You don't consider one of our own and his disclosure efforts credible. I don't consider NASA credible. Stalemate, mate. I'll side with Dr Greer and the government documents that he pulls out of public records, his interviews with top-secret working individuals, and so on. There is a man trying to do what people want, and need, in a mainstream fashion, incorporating occult practices, therefore by extension he deserves our scrutiny, if not attention.

The investment does not happen from governments because of something called the petro-dollar system that mainly depends on warmongers and such. You should know how that goes, honestly. Free energy is NOT what they want humanity to have. Besides that, investment isn't even that important. This very week the Keshe Foundation is revealing their plasma reactor to the world for free after giving world governments a deadline. Y'know what? The Foundation was ignored by the mass-media. And to put it all in a nutshell, if you take the science of your magick and show it to the same government authorities you are saying does not have any power over you, they will ridicule you, incarcerate you, especially if you have something that works, something that could change the future from what they have planned.

The earth's curvature has NOT been proven. If you believe in NASA, then I've nothing to say to you. But if you have time to look up amateur rocketeers and weather balloon users, who don't use fish-eye lenses and computer generated images, you will find that there is no curve occurring naturally. Go up on a plane yourself. A helicopter. Ask everyone you know if they account for the curvature of the earth in anything. The US military talks about the Coriolis effect in theory but never applies it in practice. Snipers don't for their long distance ranging. Afterwards, the same refraction of light theory that is being used to say a curve exists is the same thing that should tell you that it's what's causing the appearance of a curve.

Pandora's box.

I must remind everyone that I am not in support of the flat earth movement. But I will support the theory till the bitter end to make sure that nobody who is a serious occultist lives in a comfortable bubble of fallacy.
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I have another ritual. It's watching YouTube videos on my tv at night when I have dinner. Which is to say, I've already seen all these videos.

1)Dr Steven Greer
I was interested at first, maybe even for a whole video. Now I feel he's just a can of Spam, and one sandwich shy of a picnic(I should talk).

2)Flat Earth
This was also interesting at first. The video I watched was well done, and the narrator was very convincing. Alot of attention paid to detail. Well thought out, and they even threw in a couple pundits. Then I started thinking of things the flat earth theory didn't explain, and soon I was watching videos debunking this theory. In the end I think maybe its a psychological experiment to see how gullible the masses can be.

3)Free Energy
All I'll say about this one is that Oil Companies are very powerful, and I bet they play a part in suppression of this.

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Sorry I dont believe we're all slaves to the illuminati.

People enslave themselves.

Life is hard, development is even harder.

Conspiracy theories give you an excuse to remain weak and ignorant. They dont empower you to be a productive member of human progress, just the opposite.

When a single cell acts out of line with the goals of the organism and reproduces, converting or killing the cells next to it its called cancer.

When I look at history I dont see the system as cancerous, I see the opposite. It's this anti-social shit thats cancerous. Blame your ancestors for not providing you a better situation to start with, not the system.

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As soon as I see concrete evidence for these claims I'm willing to change my mind. No not even willing, I WILL change my mind. I practice Chaos Magic for a reason; it suits me.
It's also what being a freethinker is about, not about accepting whatever theory is out there at face value but getting in there and giving it a test run.
I test things. I've been wrong before and I won't say I am absolutely right but 99.99% certain I'm correct with what I stated in my post. Notice that word? Certainty of a fallible mortal being, not god-like absolute knowledge.
When it comes to individual certainties Your mileage may vary. Which is fine *shrugs*.

And yes, I am very sarcastic most of the time. No disrespect intended, it is in my nature. Masses can indeed be controlled. What I meant is that this cannot be done for long periods of time. Tyrants, whether groups or individuals, always fall.

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magari wrote:Sorry I dont believe we're all slaves to the illuminati.

People enslave themselves.

Life is hard, development is even harder.

Conspiracy theories give you an excuse to remain weak and ignorant. They dont empower you to be a productive member of human progress, just the opposite.

When a single cell acts out of line with the goals of the organism and reproduces, converting or killing the cells next to it its called cancer.

When I look at history I dont see the system as cancerous, I see the opposite. It's this anti-social shit thats cancerous. Blame your ancestors for not providing you a better situation to start with, not the system.
Many domesticated animals don't even know what "enslavement" is. Factory farming chicken, for example. What happens to chicken that run out of the coop? They get shot at, basically. But yes, oh yes, that one running chick. She had the right idea. Life and development are both hard when you're suppressed, led to believe there's nothing outside the bubble. Conspiracy theories provide plenty to society, at the very least they try to get you thinking outside the box. Sure, for humans it's a comfortable box. There are plenty of people in power who are in the same situation. Conspiracy runs so deep that it takes care of that too. You expect the truth to be told? But why? You're just a cog-cell in an organic-machine. Why do you need to know the truth? In fact why do you even need any magick?

Dios mio. Your last statement was so supremacist with racist undertones that I'm almost tempted to ban you for showing such behavior. If that was a personal attack, you need to know two things. First of all, I'm fine where I am and as I am. Secondly, a vast majority of conspiracy theories come out from the developed world.
ErebusNamtar wrote:As soon as I see concrete evidence for these claims I'm willing to change my mind. No not even willing, I WILL change my mind. I practice Chaos Magic for a reason; it suits me.
It's also what being a freethinker is about, not about accepting whatever theory is out there at face value but getting in there and giving it a test run.
I test things. I've been wrong before and I won't say I am absolutely right but 99.99% certain I'm correct with what I stated in my post. Notice that word? Certainty of a fallible mortal being, not god-like absolute knowledge.
When it comes to individual certainties Your mileage may vary. Which is fine *shrugs*.

And yes, I am very sarcastic most of the time. No disrespect intended, it is in my nature. Masses can indeed be controlled. What I meant is that this cannot be done for long periods of time. Tyrants, whether groups or individuals, always fall.
I should tell you that you won't find concrete evidence anywhere. Every outlet is controlled and everyone is pushing their own agenda. If you're open minded, and you find an idea, you ought to do the research yourself. That doesn't mean you shouldn't look at things that are presented to you since they do offer perspective, counter perspective, alternative perspective and so on. How you look and how you react is key. You test things? Good. That's far better than seeing something and immediately disagreeing (or agreeing) with it.
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I have another ritual. It's watching YouTube videos on my tv at night when I have dinner. Which is to say, I've already seen all these videos.

1)Dr Steven Greer
I was interested at first, maybe even for a whole video. Now I feel he's just a can of Spam, and one sandwich shy of a picnic(I should talk).

2)Flat Earth
This was also interesting at first. The video I watched was well done, and the narrator was very convincing. Alot of attention paid to detail. Well thought out, and they even threw in a couple pundits. Then I started thinking of things the flat earth theory didn't explain, and soon I was watching videos debunking this theory. In the end I think maybe its a psychological experiment to see how gullible the masses can be.

3)Free Energy
All I'll say about this one is that Oil Companies are very powerful, and I bet they play a part in suppression of this.


Dr Greer is getting repetitive, but mostly because he has to teach the same thing multiple times to different audiences. That adds to the spam factor. Not to mention most of CSETI's fundings come from his DVD sales and seminar bookings, which he doesn't hold back in advertising. Sometimes I think he may even be a disinformation agent, a shill. But nonetheless, he's still doing things, practicing occult rituals that would have gotten us all burnt at the stakes some generations ago.

It's easy to "debunk" the flat earth theory. After all, the last 500 years of funding have gone into advertising the sphere earth model. It's the problem of proving the sphere without using NASA as a credible source where everything falls .. flat.

Oil companies are indeed powerful. I fear for Keshe's life at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if his plasma reactor actually works and between now and sometime soon, he is assassinated by them..
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Lol you thought that was racist?

Now I know you have a chip on your shoulder.

Conspiracy comes out of the developed world? Maybe because people who are genuinely oppressed are too busy fighting their oppression to whine about having too many chicken nuggets and a free education.

Ive seen both sides of the coin. There is a very good reason why the system is the way it is. Its called stability and sustainability, the majority of humanity cant even control their own emotions. When the system fails they resort to animalistic behavior, when it succeeds a beautiful thing happens. Just look at the progress of culture amd social issues in the developed world.

Keep whining about the system, meanwhile an army of individuals are keeping your lights on, your water running, and the Internet alive and evolving.

How is this contributing to society? How is this respecting the sacrifice of those who came before us?

The world is flat? Please.

I fail to see how

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You know you can always choose to live outside of the system. Its a very real option.

I tried that once. Uncivilized, lawless people are a joy to be around. Violent, full of disease, untrustworthy, and the most enlightened priorities by far.

Enjoy.

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They tend to treat their women and homosexuals with far more respect than we do too.

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Remember, the enemy tries to divide us, not unite us.

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magari wrote:Lol you thought that was racist?

Now I know you have a chip on your shoulder.

Conspiracy comes out of the developed world? Maybe because people who are genuinely oppressed are too busy fighting their oppression to whine about having too many chicken nuggets and a free education.

Ive seen both sides of the coin. There is a very good reason why the system is the way it is. Its called stability and sustainability, the majority of humanity cant even control their own emotions. When the system fails they resort to animalistic behavior, when it succeeds a beautiful thing happens. Just look at the progress of culture amd social issues in the developed world.
Of course I do. I have lots, enough for a healthy round of fish and chips for all of Palestine.
There's no coin here, there is no two-sides-to-the-story, there is only one story for the entire plane. Or planet, if you will. The progress of culture? You just mentioned chicken nuggets. Take a look at the feminist movement and how ridiculous it has gotten.
magari wrote:Remember, the enemy tries to divide us, not unite us.
You truly believe they legalized marijuana and gay marriage so that people could be happy, don't you? Now why on earth would they give up power over something, a power which they forced in the first place? These things were done to prevent the masses from causing an uproar. To prevent civil war. To prevent their government from falling apart. You can always look at the bright side, but that's like looking at the sun with three layers of sunglasses and saying UV rays aren't real because you have sunscreen.
magari wrote:Keep whining about the system, meanwhile an army of individuals are keeping your lights on, your water running, and the Internet alive and evolving.

How is this contributing to society? How is this respecting the sacrifice of those who came before us?

The world is flat? Please.

I fail to see how
Yes, yes, while the caste system (philosophically) does its work. The four classes were the Brahmins (philosophers, scientists), the Kshatriyas (government), the Vaishyas (artisans, merchants, tradesmen and farming), and Shudras (labouring). The support goes three ways from each, and if we as philosophers just sit and let the government pretend to be scientists or worse, let the government pay us to propagate what they want...

Respecting the sacrifice of who exactly? As it stands, the work done by the Rothschild family is the only the only "sacrifice" that counts. Everyone else has been made expendable and insignificant, much like you're told since you're a speck of stardust aimlessly hurtling through space by mere chance.

The world is flat. You fail to open your mind to the possibility, still languishing in the luxury of indoctrination.
magari wrote:You know you can always choose to live outside of the system. Its a very real option.

I tried that once. Uncivilized, lawless people are a joy to be around. Violent, full of disease, untrustworthy, and the most enlightened priorities by far.

Enjoy.
I have, actually. Where do you think I've been for the past few months? I hang out with all sorts of crowds. You claim to have seen sides on a coin yet you don't even know the coin's value, never mind the sides.
magari wrote:They tend to treat their women and homosexuals with far more respect than we do too.
Than we do? Who is this we? But since you're acknowledging lack of respect in you, I suppose you're going in one right direction for a change.
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