New Perception @ Invoking Spirits

[Kami]

I just bought me a ten dollar bottle of some 40% 80 proof whiskey,
After about four shots - I am feeling like I have much more courage...

And I thought...

Holy sh*t!

I think I might of figured some sh*t out!

I said: "What if... invoking spirits - means; filling your self with a feeling?".

For example,
Through this "drug" which is "witchcraft",
I invoke the "spirit/personality" of courage,
By drinking alcohol.

And if I want to invoke the spirit of "anxiety",
I'll smoke weed.

And if someone wants to invoke the spirit of "lust",
They must smoke illegal drugs that incorporate amphetamine that causes euphoria.

And if someone wants to invoke the spirit of "strength",
They must do PCP.

And if someone wants to invoke the spirit of "Lies",
They must do shrooms.

And if someone wants to invoke the spirit of "death",
They must smoke cigarettes; or consume poison.

And to detox,
And invoke the "holy spirit",
(Soberness; Clean),
You simply... drink "water".

The internet told me that the pupils give away whether someone is "possessed/intoxicated" or not.

And also - the bible says that "spirit" has [also] to do with "breath",
Duh! ... Right?
At least - for humans... we need air to be alive - and of course.. when we are alive we have a mind - Duh! ... Right? - Thus we get to have a "spirit/personality".

E.T.C. ~

Am I right?
Or
Am I wrong?

(0.0)

In the tv show "supernatural",
Demons are in the form of "smoke",
And they enter you by forcing themselves down your throat,
And then take over your nervous system.

So... isn't that symbolic for "under the influence of drug usage"... ?

[cyberdemon]

Are we trying to classify drugs/potions/chemicals with their spiritual effects now? Hm, broad topic. Carry on.

[Sweetgum]

Hi Kurokami
*
An occultists primary research tool is the dictionary
All words have power
Putting the effort in to research and nail down a crystal clear understanding of a word - both its use today and its origin - transmits the power of that word to you
*
You probably won't believe me
So make a list of the critical words in any subject
Research two words a day, even if you think you know what they mean
and after 5 days you will feel more empowered on that subject
The interesting thing is there is no limit to that power. The longer you keep this up, just two words a day, the more and more and more competent you become in that subject
*
Invoke means to call on (a deity or spirit) in prayer
A spirit is a force or principle believed to animate living beings
Prayer requires some attitude of meditation. The deeper the meditation the more powerful the prayer
You cannot meditate under the influence of drink or drugs
Alan Moore, like Crowley, used psychedelic drugs AT FIRST, to break through barriers he had in his brain
Once that was done, the drug use fell away, with both of them
If they had chosen to follow a gradient path, instead of wanting it all right now, they would not have needed to use any drug
*
Your own common sense must tell you that if you have to get plastered before you can call on another living being that other living being is not going to have a great opinion of you
*
Best wishes

[the_spiral]

I think it would be pointless to try and come up with definitive classifications since people have different reactions to substances. For example weed doesn't make me anxious, it calms me down. And liquor might represent "courage" to a social drinker but "weakness" to an alcoholic. But sure, drugs and alcohol can and often are used in invocations, depending on the spirits or qualities being invoked and the magician's needs.

[Haelos]

The point of invocation is to do that without using drugs. You're hanging out with Dionysus, and he offers a lot to the Magician who knows how to stay in their right mind, and lose it all the same.

[Kami]

The point of invocation is to do that without using drugs. You're hanging out with Dionysus, and he offers a lot to the Magician who knows how to stay in their right mind, and lose it all the same.

I think you may have finally given me the answer I was looking for!

Thank you so much: Haelos!

In this thread: "Can anyone help me decipher this message, ObtainedViaTrance.",
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 52&t=38266

I posted this:

Swahili; "Chuma chama chama chama, chichuma.",
English; "Earned the party members, gather the grapes.",
I was high on weed at the time and I fell into a trance for a few seconds and then spoke some type of babble/gibberish.

And that is what had came out.

So... if: "Dionysus" - is the;
"God of the Vine, Grape Harvest, Winemaking, Wine, Ritual Madness, Religious Ecstasy, and Theatre." ...

Then why did I speak in Swahili <---*A language I do not know...* - and not Greek? <---*Which is also another language that I do not know...*

Do you know what is even more confusing? - iHave "Apache Indian" in my blood.

Also - I have another question,
Would this greek god *in spirit form* have a strong alcohol'ish "aroma" accompanied by a potent scent of grapes? - If it appeared with no visual form?

And also... would a "mango" desert appease this deity?

...

Could: "Dionysus" - Really be behind all of this?

(O_O)

[Haelos]

In this thread: "Can anyone help me decipher this message, ObtainedViaTrance.",
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 52&t=38266

I posted this:

Swahili; "Chuma chama chama chama, chichuma.",
English; "Earned the party members, gather the grapes.",
I was high on weed at the time and I fell into a trance for a few seconds and then spoke some type of babble/gibberish.

And that is what had came out.

So... if: "Dionysus" - is the;
"God of the Vine, Grape Harvest, Winemaking, Wine, Ritual Madness, Religious Ecstasy, and Theatre." ...

Then why did I speak in Swahili <---*A language I do not know...* - and not Greek? <---*Which is also another language that I do not know...*

Do you know what is even more confusing? - iHave "Apache Indian" in my blood.

I have no knowledge on anything Swahili, whether of the language or the culture. I don't even know where people who speak Swahili are from, geographically.

I've also never had any brightly divinatory experiences with Marijuana. With that, you're invoking the Earth Goddess, as well as the spirit of the plant itself. I wouldn't think Dionysus has as much influence with that substance, but I could be mistaken.

Also - I have another question,
Would this greek god *in spirit form* have a strong alcohol'ish "aroma" accompanied by a potent scent of grapes? - If it appeared with no visual form?

And also... would a "mango" desert appease this deity?

...

That scent is pretty much Dionysus to a "T". Booze, booze, and more, pretty booze.
I'm sure a couple other entities match it, though. For instance, I've heard of a Japanese spirit that smells of alcohol as well. You always need to try and confirm who you're working with.

Could: "Dionysus" - Really be behind all of this?

(O_O)

I mostly said that in reference to the fact that you're ingesting alcohol and other drugs in an attempt to enlighten yourself. This is the sphere of influence Dionysus has control of. That's why I said what I did. Your spirit is partying with Him just about every time you ingest a drug or mind-altering substance.

He's not the only God out there associated with madness and intoxicating substances, however. There are many, and many unknown. Not to mention the other various types of spirits that fall into those spheres naturally. We're merely visitors there.