Pranayama or Zhan Zhuang

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Pranayama or Zhan Zhuang

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Hi all,
Is any comparison between pranayama and zhan zhuang available or possible?

I understand that both pranayama and zhan zhuang (or any qigong for that matter) - when practised long-term - will enhance prana / chi, and endow occult powers. My questions are:
  • Which of these two is the quicker path to a significant increase and storage of energy?
  • Can one practise both at the same time or is that unnecessary / harmful?
Thanks.

PS. I was born a Hindu in India, and I am familiar with yoga and pranayama from my childhood.

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PRBH wrote:
  • Which of these two is the quicker path to a significant increase and storage of energy?
What kind of energy? Physical energy or 'spiritual' energy?
For example, it's not useful to be lifting weights to increase your cardiovascular stamina.
  • Can one practise both at the same time or is that unnecessary / harmful?
Seeing as how pranayama is mostly controlled breathing, and Zhang Zhang (standing like a post) seems more like static muscle resistence or isometric weight training, I'd say they cold easily be practiced together without interference. But I've only practiced pranayama with various yoga asanas, so don't take my word for it.


But then again, the yogic tradition has many different practices, one of them is to hold an asanas for ten or fifteen minutes at a time. Which seems very similar to this zhan zhuang.
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Seeing as how pranayama is mostly controlled breathing, and Zhang Zhang (standing like a post) seems more like static muscle resistence or isometric weight training,
It actually has quite a lot do with Qi when taught properly - good ZZ, as I understand it and have been taught/practiced it, is all about optimizing your posture to align your body for optimal flow of energy. This allows blockages to clear up, improves health and overall energy levels, releases physical, emotional and psychological tension, improves posture, etc. Just standing in ZZ for 10 minutes or so will induce quite a strong sensation of energy moving around the body for me.

PRBH - I think it comes down less to the difference between Pranayama and ZZ/Qigong and more to the difference between individual systems of practice. A good system of pranayama will be better than a bad system of Qigong, and vice versa - taking into account what each specific system achieves and whether that is in line with your goals.

The main difference, broadly speaking, is that ZZ/Qigong are inextricably tied into the culture of martial arts, even those systems which aren't inherently martial are informed by Chinese martial arts culture and training (which can be both good and bad), whereas pranayama is more purely meditative/yogic. And I haven't done a lot of pranayama, but I understand that it is generally practiced while seated and still, while ZZ/Qigong is mostly standing and, for Qigong, frequently moving.
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Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
I do still think it looks like you would get the ZZ benefits from proper asana positions, and things like 'sun salutations'.
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Motumbá Àse
PRBH wrote:Hi all,
Is any comparison between pranayama and zhan zhuang available or possible?

I understand that both pranayama and zhan zhuang (or any qigong for that matter) - when practised long-term - will enhance prana / chi, and endow occult powers. My questions are:
  • Which of these two is the quicker path to a significant increase and storage of energy?
  • Can one practise both at the same time or is that unnecessary / harmful?
Pranayama it's a very efficient path to increase energy, psychicaly, ethericaly as well as physicaly. To storage energy there are some exercises to obtain a good amount of saved energy that might be used in magick, healing and physical activity.

Do research on chakras and specially those near the abdomen, solar plexus and navel center.

To develop "occult powers" neither Pranayama or Zhan Zhuang by themselves are the answer. You need to train your mind, your psyche and your spirit. Pranayama and Zhan Zhuang are methods, tools to work and improve you energy manipulating skills, but to develop "powers" you need to train for that. I have practice both but Pranayama is something I still work with after all these years.

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Motumbá Àse, Corvidus
corvidus wrote:Interesting, thanks for the clarification.
I do still think it looks like you would get the ZZ benefits from proper asana positions, and things like 'sun salutations'.
Zhan Zhuang works a lot the "rooting". Gives a very good training in centering and alignment. :)

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I do still think it looks like you would get the ZZ benefits from proper asana positions, and things like 'sun salutations'.
From proper asana work, I would imagine so, I'm less sure about the kind of Western ritual postures you talk about, since they don't seem to have the same effect of opening the body up and loosening tension which allows the energy to flow freely.
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Rin wrote: From proper asana work, I would imagine so, I'm less sure about the kind of Western ritual postures you talk about, since they don't seem to have the same effect of opening the body up and loosening tension which allows the energy to flow freely.
You bring up good points. I would imagine this is because most 'westerners' don't understand the importance of the breath during yoga, and also the importance of static posturing.
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