Sigil experience with BINGO.

[Aeiouoiea]

I am new to magick and to this forum. I love hearing about sigil magick and the results.

3 days ago I wanted to test the sigil operation and manifest something to give me some sort of validation of effectiveness. I play bingo with my grandmother every Saturday afternoon. The final game of bingo is called "blackout", you have to fill your card completely up. Anyway, I made a sigil for me to win "the final game of bingo", which prize is a large pot of money.

I completed my sigil ritual, and afterward I immediately realized I did something "wrong" with the ritual, but decided to proceed with the bingo game to evaluate my results anyway. There are 8 games of bingo, followed by a bonus round (which I forgot and didn't take into account). I ended up winning the 3rd game, but lost the final "blackout" game with the large pot. I figured my ritual to be a failure... until the bonus round came about.

The bonus round is when they call a number and whoever has the number gets their money back from the entry fee (I.E. they played that night for free technically). Low and behold my grandmother had that number and got her money back, which she gave to me and insisted I keep.

It got me to thinking that technically I did in fact win "the final game of bingo", just not the final game I was thinking of and in an indirect manner I was not expecting. I plan to repeat the process and report back after next Saturday. Thank you.

[fraterai]

You certainly did... Maybe "get blackout" would have been better! Care to share some details of the operation? Your process, where you went wrong?

[Aeiouoiea]

Care to share some details of the operation? Your process, where you went wrong?

I have a black alter facing the East. The top of the alter has a checkered top. In the center of the board is a black picture-holder (L-shaped which opens up). The back two corners of the board contain two playing cards from a deck (the two jokers) and on top of those cards are candles. In front of the picture-holder is another card (the ace of spades) with another candle.

I make my sigil and place it in the picture-holder, light the candles and masturbate while staring at the sigil. I usually think of erotica while masturbating, then when I approach orgasm I focus on my intention and ejaculate on the sigil. I wait for the semen to partially dry and burn it with the ace of spade candle while watching it burn. That completes the ritual.

Where I wen't wrong (I think) was during masturbation I did not focus my intention and remain focused on the erotica during the orgasm. Nevertheless, I feel like it was a partial success. Thoughts or comments?

[fraterai]

Thanks for sharing, I like the imagery and simplicity of your ritual that takes an already simplistic formula and gives it just the right amount of spice. I think you have the methods down and have a very good explanation as to where you went wrong. A lot of people do this same sort of charging with out any ritual apparatus or a clear ritual in general (make sigil, lay down, go to town). That being said I think the fact that you have an altar specifically and other ritual implements and a specific ritual structure that all of these things aid in directing the energy. Since it seems this wasn't your first time performing it a lot of it will start to become automatic, even to the point where directing the energy could seem effortless (so much so that it may feel like you never even did it). Your "familiars" are assisting you and will continue to do so the more you practice your method. You also charge the sigil when you make it and when you burn it, so you have almost a three stage fail safe along with your familiars.

I personally love the color black and the imagery of playing cards and candles , and simple sorcery with sigils, so just reading this was enjoyable!

I might also try the difference between focusing on the sigil during the entire process vs at the point of climax only

[Aeiouoiea]

I might also try the difference between focusing on the sigil during the entire process vs at the point of climax only

What would you suggest in the meantime. And by "familiars" are you referring to intuitions or spirits? Thanks for your input.

[fraterai]

Just focus on the energy and building it, it seems you are trying to focus on erotica and the sigil at the same time, I think you might have more luck separating them, but please try and experiment to be sure by familiars I mean your magic tools like altar and stuff. To me everything is a spirit

[Aeiouoiea]

Just focus on the energy and building it, it seems you are trying to focus on erotica and the sigil at the same time, I think you might have more luck separating them, but please try and experiment to be sure by familiars I mean your magic tools like altar and stuff. To me everything is a spirit

Interesting. Makes a lot of sense.

[fraterai]

You also mentioned you focus on your intentions, I would also like to add that this is another area that can cause problems. The point of the sigil (which you preprogrammed with your intentions) is to take place of trying to work out the details of your desire in the moment, which is hard to communicate to your subconscious to begin with (why we use the symbolic sigil). You fill yourself up with a strong desire and exhausting that desire (the moment we can "trick" our subconscious), at the moment of exhaustion we focus on "pouring" this "pure" desire into the sigil, which can contain anything obviously, (as support of this many sigil mages, to aid in this process, make a bunch of sigils and mix them up to be used days later). So your ritual now should take away all of the "thinking" and works for any desire, the whole point of the operation, which will really help it to become more automatic.

Of course I don't expect you to follow everything I said perfectly, experiment as you will. All of these ideas are straight from AO Spare. He surely left out a lot of method but his terse explanations of the important steps are there.

[Aeiouoiea]

I have a hard time understanding exactly what you are saying here.

[fraterai]

Sorry - I can get wordy. That semi-long post was in response to:

when I approach orgasm I focus on my intention

I am only saying that you don't need to do this, and can potentially mess things up here by over thinking things. Focus on the sigil and not the intention. When you make the sigil you are "pre-programming" it with in intention, so that when you perform the ritual you don't need to actively think of the outcome. Then your ritual is like a machine that accepts any arbitrary desire, and you don't need to actually think about the desire in the process, so it sort of "eliminates" a step in your ritual, or at least makes it consistent in that you do not have to change this step (thinking of the unique desire) for every different desire.

I know it is a subtle difference in what you are doing and I hope I am making it clear, but I really think it may be useful.

[fraterai]

More concise - trick yourself into never ever thinking of the desire. Write it down once, sigilize it, and "forget" about it.

I know you've read about this part, forgetting the sigil. This is definitely hard to do. It's better described as actively thinking about ANYTHING else when the desire, or sigil, pops into your head. If the thing you want, or the sigil, comes into your thoughts, and its not the climax of ritual, do everything in your power to "repress" it. Think of darth vader's head. Or a mantra. anything.

(thanks for helping me try to be more clear and not so wordy, I really hope this helps)

[Aeiouoiea]

I have read that and it is very hard, especially when you have a strong desire for given outcome. I am of the thinking that the "desire" is the sperm so to speak and the subconscious is the egg. Impregnating the subconscious with the conscious desire is not possible due to the difference in language (conscious being logical and subconscious being symbolic). The conscious desire must be translated into symbol, then implanted into the subconscious, once in, it is unable to escape regardless of conscious thought, and the only way out is through manifestation. Would you agree or not?

Another way I think of it, is in terms of a foreign taxi-driver. I speaking English have a destination I need to get to in my mind. The taxi-driver speaks Spanish and no matter how much I speak or try to communicate, my thoughts cannot travel into his mind, without a translator. Once I am able to translate my words into his words, we can both travel to the destination together.

I was fully aware of my wish during the bingo-game, and once I didn't get the "blackout" I told myself... well, guess that didn't work. Then next thing I know my grandma wins the bonus round and is giving me the money. What I am trying to get at is, not only is forgetting impossible, but perhaps unnecessary. Perhaps you disagree?

[fraterai]

I do agree, it's this game you play with yourself. Doing it entirely is impossible, but if you keep at it it will be natural, and you will train your subconscious. If you read again what I suggest I'm not really asking you to DO anything more, actually less. Again it's a very subtle thing that can be over-thought out, but you have a good method and at this point I can only offer small neuances of help. The only thing different really is up above where you said that it makes sense, but also don't try to focus on the intention but the sigil. Like I said people mix them up and wait a week or more to try and forget what they mean, (even when I do this, I still have to try hard not to think about it, I have a good memory, I literally just have to sing songs or do a mantra or keep busy, but it has made a world of difference, it's completely "fake" in my fore-conscious but actively doing something else works, we can only focus on so much at once

[Aeiouoiea]

OK. I did it again, only this time I didn't win anything at all... not even close. I don't know what went wrong...

[fraterai]

A lot of my focus now is on failures, this makes sense as first you think all the time about what you are doing, going through the steps, basically rehearsing, then you can execute it well but probably not perfectly every time, and this is just iteratively looking for failures which sadly requires failing. This is basically the end until you "master" it, but even then you will have bad days.

One problem could have been "lust of result" or the fact that maybe you were thinking differently about the outcome simply because you were successful last time, maybe (just a theory, here!!) the fact that you told us about your spell was all that was needed to break it from working (e.g. someone sees your mojo hand, or similar theories that say its like the "lust of result" mentioned above but multiplied by everyone who knows) But theres another very important factor, timing, and its important in many ways such as when you actually did the operation, how long you waited for results, etc.

Question: The first time, how long did you wait between charging and going to bingo? Same question for the second time.

(this is the simplest angle we can look at it, you can also go astrological, with (traditionally) the most influence coming from the lunar phases)

[Urscumug]

I'm not fan of bingo but once a year I must attend one. Already two boring afternoon passed where I won only a bottle of wine.

The specific rules for this bingo is that you pay a fixed amount to play some fifty rounds, you can have as many boards as you can manage and the first 4 fully covered boards win. Usually nothing happens for a while, then suddenly people start shouting "carton" and the round is over. I often ended a round with only one uncovered number.

I won nothing the last time, but the two old witches seated next to me won many times the first prize. Well, they were old but not necessarily witches, I've no proofs of the latter, but surely they played with almost 12 boards at the same time. These were their own boards, optimized so that you usually can cover 2 numbers every time, and surely with frequent practice they knew them by heart.

Next time I'll also play with an optimized board, but this will not be enough, as there are so many boards on play, there is a need to tweak probabilities and a potential for magic.

Sigil is one option but I wonder if it's the best one, the difficulty to formulate it, the lust of result, etc. My plan is to build a specific servitor and test it during the next session in january.

[CCoburn]

One thing that comes to mind when I read the OP, is that I think it is a waste of Magickal Force to think of erotica while masturbating. I say this, because in my case there is a great deal of energy that builds and fluctuates far prior to orgasm. This energy IMO is almost, in totality, roughly equal to orgasm. So I would not waste it.

I would instead try to be as aroused with the Operation as I would be with the erotica...nothing wasted.

just my two cents,
Peace.

[tripkos]

Hint: The bingo-game is closely related to the lingo-game. Not the lingo in the square, but the lingo in text-ware, that normally goes into the air.

[Aeiouoiea]

Question: The first time, how long did you wait between charging and going to bingo? Same question for the second time.

(this is the simplest angle we can look at it, you can also go astrological, with (traditionally) the most influence coming from the lunar phases)

Less than 24 hours for both. I am aware of planetary hours and both of these ritual were performed on the day of Venus (perhaps I should have done it on the day and hour of Jupiter). I am not too familiar with lunar phases and how they tie into magick... perhaps you can share your views.

[Aeiouoiea]

One thing that comes to mind when I read the OP, is that I think it is a waste of Magickal Force to think of erotica while masturbating. I say this, because in my case there is a great deal of energy that builds and fluctuates far prior to orgasm. This energy IMO is almost, in totality, roughly equal to orgasm. So I would not waste it.

I would instead try to be as aroused with the Operation as I would be with the erotica...nothing wasted.

Will you please elaborate on this?

[Aeiouoiea]

Hint: The bingo-game is closely related to the lingo-game. Not the lingo in the square, but the lingo in text-ware, that normally goes into the air.

I like this. Unfortunately I am clueless when it comes to riddles...

[Aeiouoiea]

My plan is to build a specific servitor and test it during the next session in january.

Keep us updated!