Can spirits read our thoughts?

[loifd]

I'm sorry if there's thread on this topic, but I've been looking for a long time and I didn't find it. It is possible that spirits can read mind without our permission?

[Desecrated]

Negative spirits can be really good at faking that ability. They pretend to be able to read your thoughts in order to play more powerful than they are.

[WillowDarkWytch]

Motumbá

They do. Thoughts and emotions are actions, colors, manifestarions, etc., in the astral plane. They don't "read it", they "see it" or "feel it" similar when we see or feel others emotions when astraly travel or doing a psychic reading.

Saravá
Idansinají

[Desecrated]

Motumbá

They do. Thoughts and emotions are actions, colors, manifestarions, etc., in the astral plane. They don't "read it", they "see it" or "feel it" similar when we see or feel others emotions when astraly travel or doing a psychic reading.

Saravá
Idansinají

This isn't something that every human can do. Do you think it is the same with spirits? Some having the ability, some doesn't?

[fraterai]

Motumbá

They do. Thoughts and emotions are actions, colors, manifestarions, etc., in the astral plane. They don't "read it", they "see it" or "feel it" similar when we see or feel others emotions when astraly travel or doing a psychic reading.

Saravá
Idansinají

This isn't something that every human can do. Do you think it is the same with spirits? Some having the ability, some doesn't?

I agree with WDW. Our thoughts and desires and intentions create colors on the astral that are readable by spirits. But I think that some are better than others, and in this sense some probably are so bad at it you would consider them as not having the ability. For instance while some may just see the color and know your intent, others actually understand the language and can directly "hear" the thoughts in the way you'd expect.

But to answer the original poster, yes, I think most all spirits have this ability, to varying degrees. As far as your permission, that depends on both you and the spirit

[WillowDarkWytch]

Motumbá, Des

It happens that in astral plane/consciousness you don't have the limitations of physical plane/consciousness. So you see, feel, sense everything as inside the water, an ocean of thoughts feelings etc. (just metaphor, and I don't know if it's the best xD)

Also, the "lower" the astral level, the more "distorted" or less "clear" the information is. That's why some psychics see very clear (they see from "above") and others see parts of the info.

What you say about negative spirits "lying" is the concept of, or at least similar to, "descieving spirits", they actually DO know a lot of perssonal stuff, but they trick us and omit or lie about other stuff to confuse us.

Saravá
Idansinají

[CCoburn]

I think Desecrated is right.

And all spirits having the ability to varying degrees is what he implied.

Variation indicates a spectrum,

Extreme case: Can't do it.

Other extreme: Exceptionally good at it.

What is the difference between being really bad at something,
or not being able to do it? It's negligible, who cares.

Anyways, this all seems a bit hypothetical to me,

I think he is right, but why split hairs over it.

[WillowDarkWytch]

Motumbá, spida

The thing is that the "ability" is not linked to being capable or good at it. Unless you have sight problems or a special condition, you see colours, images, everything. It's the condition of this plane, everybody "sees" (unless special conditions as blindness, for example, but the comon is that everybody can see).

And as I said, for us, being able or not to percieve, better or worst, or not percieving at all, depends a lot on physical conditions, ability of focusing, clearing the mind and what the brain allows to "come through". Astral life is different. Others are the laws of action, the conditions, etc. There you don't have gravity, just the "idea of". That's why when realizing that you may fly, because you just "know" you can. We cannot because we do have gravity, and that's a physical conditioning of this plane. Usually matter limits us, contrary to the Astral.

Saravá
Idansinají

[CCoburn]

I don't see the connection between Physical sight, and Astral sight.

I know the astral body can see, but I think it just decodes the frequencies
somehow without the aid of the visual mechanism of the Vehicle, directly
somehow.

The colors aren't actually colors. They are encoded as EM waves of a
specific frequency, the "color" being the decoded waveform.

Thanks for taking the time to respond,
Hope you have a wonderful night.

[WillowDarkWytch]

I don't see the connection between Physical sight, and Astral sight.

It's not "a connection",what i'm doing is a comparison.

I know the astral body can see, but I think it just decodes the frequencies
somehow without the aid of the visual mechanism of the Vehicle, directly
somehow.

The colors aren't actually colors. They are encoded as EM waves of a
specific frequency, the "color" being the decoded waveform.

Thanks for taking the time to respond,
Hope you have a wonderful night

Ok, I feel you didn't get what I was trying to say.

I'm saying you percieve everything, might be through colors, feelings, any kind of sensational manifestation because it's a sphere of sensation, every vibration you see/feel/know it. Even smell it. I don't know how to explain it better. Maybe with an example

Astrally, if I'm outside your house, I would know what you're doiing, where and how do you feel about it while doing it, all at the same time (unless the house is psychicaly protected or has a spiritual guardian that blocks any intruders) I don't need to "astrally open the door" to see hear or smell. Actually I can astrally know those things from my house. If I'm a spirit, not bound to the physical realm, I don't have to conquer the limitations of having physical consciousness, it is in my nature to exist like that, timeless, spaceless, limitless...

I hope now it's more understandable

[CCoburn]

WDW,

I understand what you are saying, and I appreciate your concern for me
understanding it.

I have experienced some of the things you have described, but not all.
I've had OBEs that would knock your socks off(or make you fall off your broom).
And Super Powered Lucid Dreams.

But I fall short on the psychic aspects, and have doubts about it.
Although I have had Premonitions/clairvoyance in dreams a couple times
during my life, come to think of it. Related but different.

Part of what you're describing sounds like "expanded consciousness".
Which I understand the concept of, but don't have any experience in.
Also similar to "psychic" but different.

There is just so much Bullshit in the world. I must be careful not to clutter my
mind with irrational/nonsensical thinking. I can leave some concepts open for
exploration, but the Psychic part of it is just a bit too tenuous for my taste. Unless
it somehow manages to present itself more clearly to me.

But then again, my Magick Practice would be considered absurd to lots of people.
Even to me, to a degree.

BTW your condescension is amusing, perhaps it is justified. Who knows.

As always WDW, It's been a pleasure.

Regards

[loifd]

So guys when i now will be thinking about something, demons can see my actual thoughts?

[WillowDarkWytch]

Spida, I'm not being condescending but if you felt it, sorry. I get what you say. In my experience is as I said, it's the theory that I have studied and proved through pratice and experiences.

Loifd, as I understand it and know it, yes they do. In the opinion of Des and Spida, depends on the demon/spirit we're talking about.

For you to really know, you need to check it for yourself. One only can talk with certainty after have experienced such things. Speaking from theory it's fine but you always must know that, it's just theory until you, yourself, proved it or experienced it. Then you talk with property.

Saravá
Idansinají

[Desecrated]

I wasn't posting an argument, I was posting a question. That's why hit has questionmarks behind it.

I was genuinely wondering if all of them do it or just some, and if you say that all of them do it, then I believe you.

[Desecrated]

Question number two.

I've heard a lot of humans describing seeing emotions as color or light. So I'm just going to assume that this is how it looks to spirits as well.
Do we know anything about what spirits see when we think? Like how our thoughts manifest to them?

[Desecrated]

There is just so much Bullshit in the world. I must be careful not to clutter my
mind with irrational/nonsensical thinking. I can leave some concepts open for
exploration, but the Psychic part of it is just a bit too tenuous for my taste. Unless
it somehow manages to present itself more clearly to me.

Morphic Resonance.
I'm not saying that it is true, and the theory isn't even completed, but he makes a pretty good argument for it.

[WillowDarkWytch]

I wasn't posting an argument, I was posting a question. That's why hit has questionmarks behind it.

I was genuinely wondering if all of them do it or just some, and if you say that all of them do it, then I believe you.

I know. I didn't think otherwise.

Question number two.

I've heard a lot of humans describing seeing emotions as color or light. So I'm just going to assume that this is how it looks to spirits as well.
Do we know anything about what spirits see when we think? Like how our thoughts manifest to them?

Emotions/feelings are "colours", that is "vibrations", because of their abstract nature.. It is known/thought that Thoughts take "forms". You think apple and it astrally appears an apple. It depends on the intensity or the clarity of the thought if the apple is gona be well form, have smell and even taste. When you think of a concept instead of an object, you get colors, smells, sensations. The more objetive, the more tangible, the more abstract, the same, more abstract the astral manifestation.

That's why the IOB technique tells you to objetify what you are going to banish. So you make it take form and shape, enclose it in a vessel, so it is easier to get rid of it or destroy it. (to put an example)

Saravá
Idansinají

PS: I don't know why Spida took my posts that way, I don't act condescending with people who I think are at least practical magicians. I respect others points of view and I do see Speda as such, a practical magician with an interesting mind and ideas.

[Desecrated]

You think apple and it astrally appears an apple.

I never thought of it like that, but it makes sense.


Question number 3:

Do you believe in an "astral-self" that is always present there or do you believe in your self being where your consciousness is?

[CCoburn]

On Question two:

I'm gonna try an analogy on this one, and also use a little extrapolation:

The common denominator here is vibration/frequency.

You can have two hardware components where one transmits a signal,
and the other receives it, transmitter and receiver.

The signal being transmitted is a frequency created by a vibration.
Maybe frequencies can be created other ways, but that is one way.

One frequency used for transmission is the microwave, ranging from 300
Mhz to 300 Ghz.

Capable of transmitting an invisible(waveform), over the airways, 2D
image with sound. Decoded by a hardware receiver, and manifested on your TV.

Now with two entities it works the same way, however I'm sure the vibrational
frequencies are a bit more abstract, and tenuous, perhaps.

So a person has thoughts, these thoughts are transmitted into the Aether,
as frequencies.

Any entity capable of decoding these thoughts/frequencies, will manifest them
in their consciousness, being the receiver, and decoder.

I'm not sure how defined it would be, but the receiving entity would get the
essence of it anyways. Perhaps an image, color, sensation/feeling.

That's one Theory I have on this, maybe it's a bit vague.

Regards

[LoneWolf]

I think all planes of existence overlap and are sometimes hard to distinguish. Wide spectrum. I think that it is up to the human to be able to project and make his actions noticeable on other planes far from his, frequency-wise.

The spirits just happen to notice our projections on their plane. How this is percieved by them is unknowable. It differs so much from our plane it is impossible to make a comparison understandable by the human intellect.

My experience however leads me to believe that some "higher" or more powerful spirits have the ability to come closer to our plane than others, making therefore the communication easier for the human subject.

My regards

[Kami]

Well to be honest...

I have no idea.

The bible says that spirits cannot read your mind and that only God can, and blah blah blah.

But check this out, us humans can use eeg headsets to analyze brainwaves and associate each brainwave to a function within an app on a computer, they can create a library of words associated with thoughts about words and then have the potential to read minds.

Apperantly the bible is wrong because through technology humans that ARE spirits are technically reading peoples minds.

So why wouldn't a spirit on the astral plane not be able to almost read our mind?

I have heard that ghosts use emotion to communicate, which to me means they talk to us through our stomach, our gut brain. They can feel our emotions as well... probably. ~

[WillowDarkWytch]

Question number 3:

Do you believe in an "astral-self" that is always present there or do you believe in your self being where your consciousness is?

As I understand that is not a "self" apart from us. We have physical/aetherical, astral, mental, spiritual "vehicles", what is "transported" is our consciousness, our awareness. If we are in the bathroom, our astral vehicle is too, the thing is that maybe it won't look the same, you might see energy coming out, the "elimination vayu" working, instead of poop hehe.

Also, the astral self is supposed to be an actual copy of our physical body, but it's a missunderstanding, that copy is the aetherical body or "Body of Health", in the astral maybe we physicaly lost one arm, but in astral it is still there, it takes more time to "assimilate" the "actual state" of the body, and maybe with psychic training you may keep the arm, astrally. The astral body is formed by desires and emotions, that's why a person filled with hate will be seen sorrounded by elementaries and thoought forms of hate consuming him, or a murderer, for example, might be seen deformed, like a monster.

The astral body it's kind of "undefined", looks "like" us but it's not exactly identical, it depends of our emotional/mental (lower mental) state, of our psychological state. That's why in the magical, psychic training we have to define it, shape it, visualize our selves so we give form to it, repitedly and with a strong thought, giving shape and form to the mental (lower) body and then the astral body.

Then, I believe that the "astral double" it's with us all the time, that "separate" from our body when we take it to other places astrally (when getting our awareness to astral). There are moments when we "day dream" and we "feel" we're away, I bealive that in those moments is when our astral body projects itself to that other places, ex: the beach, and we feel/think strongly in that place, if being the beach we might even "hear" the waves or "feel" the cold wet breeze.

That's my understanding in that matter.

Saravá

[WillowDarkWytch]

On Question two:

I'm gonna try an analogy on this one, and also use a little extrapolation:

The common denominator here is vibration/frequency.

You can have two hardware components where one transmits a signal,
and the other receives it, transmitter and receiver.

The signal being transmitted is a frequency created by a vibration.
Maybe frequencies can be created other ways, but that is one way.

One frequency used for transmission is the microwave, ranging from 300
Mhz to 300 Ghz.

Capable of transmitting an invisible(waveform), over the airways, 2D
image with sound. Decoded by a hardware receiver, and manifested on your TV.

Now with two entities it works the same way, however I'm sure the vibrational
frequencies are a bit more abstract, and tenuous, perhaps.

So a person has thoughts, these thoughts are transmitted into the Aether,
as frequencies.

Any entity capable of decoding these thoughts/frequencies, will manifest them
in their consciousness, being the receiver, and decoder.

I'm not sure how defined it would be, but the receiving entity would get the
essence of it anyways. Perhaps an image, color, sensation/feeling.

That's one Theory I have on this, maybe it's a bit vague.

Regards

About this, I like it. What we have to understand is that this is not physsics, though similar, astrally there are other "laws". Just as you don't have gravity, oppose reject and equals attract themselves, quite different from the matterial world.

The frequency of the vibrations gives you the luminescence, brightness and elevation of these, the higher the frequency, the greater light it has and the closer it is to superior/higher astral plane. Negative thoughts are low frequency, hence more dense, less spiritual, less bright, and part of the lower astral plane, so they would be dark coloured.

About the transmitter and receiver, in the astral plane it doesn't work like that, thoughts and feelings are right there to see, the stronger the thought/desire the clearer and defined, more manifested it is. You don't need "decoding". Maybe, if your frequency it's low, you might receive only low signals... If you're high, you receive high lvl signal, AND you might perceive the lowers too. To get a "signal" you just think about it, that's all.

Saravá

[Desecrated]

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As I understand that is not a "self" apart from us. We have physical/aetherical, astral, mental, spiritual "vehicles", what is "transported" is our consciousness,

I like that. Not sure if I agree, but I like it.

[CCoburn]

WDW,

I don't have time to re-read, think, and post, so I'm just gonna flip the coin.
Since I believe the other side is more analogous to your experience.

In the Quantum world there need not be any propagation of Forces.
Things just happen instantaneously, even over great distance. Perhaps
even transcending time, the 4th dimension of our physical existence.

The laws, like you say, don't apply. Something need not be rational to
be true(truth transcending reason), it just is, and must be accepted
(for now) this way.

So I agree with you, and I think your experience is just as valid as the
explainable phenomena in the Macrocosm. And concurrently, just as
relevant if not more so.

Regards