Who to summon first?

[Jade-Carmichael]

I want to summon a demon and I would like to ask you who do you recomend me to summon first. I made up my minds and I will ask them for favors. I won't sell my soul. I also always aim big, so my choices would be Lucifer, Glasya-Labolas or Azazel. Any experience with them or with other demons? I will study a lot before summoning them, so, tell me your experiences. Please as clear as possible. Thanks.

[Desecrated]

and I will ask them for favors.

And why would they grant you that?

You need to go back to the drawing board and do some serious research.

[corvidus]

I will study a lot before summoning them, so, tell me your experiences. Please as clear as possible. Thanks.

Studying is good. Always study. However, when 'demons' come into play, you should have a fair amount of Practice as well. And always have a backup plan.

I think it's also commonly a good idea to evoke allies and higher spiritual forces before evoking a 'demon'.

Also, listen to Desecrated

[Robin_Alexander]

I've found and heard some demons are more receptive to new or inexperienced summoners.

Vassago has a particular reputation for being quite patient, as well as somewhat trustworthy, but - on the flipside - I hear some demons are better left to experienced practitioners, such as Paimon, who is said to require a lot more to summon him and has a lot more power than most other demons. Each demon seems to 'specialise' in different areas, too, so which one may be better for you to summon depends on what these "favours" are that you require from them.

I haven't worked with any of the demons you specifically requested, or know anyone that has, but Glasya-Labolas - after a quick search - looks particularly intimidating by themselves . . . I think they - especially Lucifer and Azazel by their reputations - are better left until you've had a good deal more practise.

It's always better to have strong foundations and work your way up

[Jade-Carmichael]

Thank you. Robin_Alexander, I have some personal business with Glasya-Labolas, he is the main reason I entered this occult path. But that doesn't matter at the moment. I don't want Vassago or Paimon, I have some problems with Azazel. It is a long story. I accidentally helped a girl sell her soul to Glasya-Labolas, she wasn't even aware of the consequences of what she was doing and I didn't realize that Glasya tricked me into this. Glasya and I are enemies, but still, we are in a cold peace. I told you I have problems with Azazel, he is appearing in almost all of my dreams and, in real life, he is opening the Bible at his name and he is constantly showing me his seals. I also have a problem with Lucifer, I know him spiritually, and, because of that, I got his pride and he keeps playing with my feelings. I often wake up drawing his seal and I start to have his way of thinking, an enormous pride and a wish to be before God, which I don't want. Or I do. So, I am having problems with all these three demons. They all, told me who they are. I made a post about how to trap them, because of this. The deal with Glasya made the girl- Jenny, to sell her soul officially next week, and he took her far away and i don't know where she is until she will sell her soul and it will be too late, and all was my fault. I am having immense feelings of guilt I can hardly handle. It's all because of Glasya, he sneaked into my life fast, I looked into a book, and, without any knowledge of it, I called him. I know that guy, and, after him, Azazel messed up with my minds and Lucifer was the last drop. I don't even know if it's alright for you to know all these things, but, I kinda need help, because I got into a thing without knowing it, and there is no way out, because I am at war with the three, mostly with Glasya. A bit with Azazel. Let's not forget that I have other problems with a hell of other demons. (sorry for the pun), over 20. And they won't give up easily. I care of Jenny and of other people I got into trouble, so I have to continue this way, and even if it will stop, I will do anything for other people not to get in problems with demons. I declared war, and it will be war. I know it's not wise, but I will help any person, even those I don't know, and I will fight demons for them, as I do for myself. The favors aren't money and stuff. They are Jenny. And some other people I know. That's my story. So, the question "Who to summon first?" is more like "Who to summon first of the demons I'm fighting with?". I am having tons of problems and it's hard to study now, with no friends by my side. I am going to the Chruch every Sunday, I am an orthodox christian, but these demons are very strong. Glasya told me I'll never see Jenny again and Azazel keeps threatening my friends, who don't even know who he is. That's my "origins" story. And it isn't fine. I didn't know a thing about demons until I opened that book I found in a hut on a trip. And after one day, they were all at me. I am in highschool, which makes the situation harder to handle, my family doesn't know a thing. In conclusion, I am pretty screwed up and I have to learn how to fight them. And let's not forget that there are many other demons after me, that would do anything to get me, including Abaddon, Belphegor and Leviathan. Now, with you all knowing this, can you please help me and tell me what to do? They declared war, I declared war, there is war.

[Robin_Alexander]

Well, that certainly is a difficult situation . . .

My gut would be to suggest banishing spells and purification rituals; essentially, banish the demons away, use barriers to prevent them coming back, and cleanse everything in and about yourself . . . exorcism at an absolute push; I know some mediums can do a version of this, essentially cleansing your house/home for you, often for free, but your church may be able to do a more religious version, if you seek their help and match their criteria (not to mention every church is different in regards to rules regarding exorcism).

In specific to your friend; I guess a lot of this is down to personal belief, but I've always been under the impression the soul is intrinsic to a person, and the only person that can be responsible for selling their soul is the person themselves. I can understand why you would feel a part of things, even feel guilty, but negative energy will only fuel the demons and allow them to further attach themselves upon your life.

That being said, I can see why you would want to save her . . .

The above advice would help free you, but it wouldn't help free Jenny. I would recommend - if you have any way of finding her - to deal with her directly; you might be able to influence - or communicate with her - through spells, astral projection, or channelling energy . . . depending on your beliefs and personal preferences in how you work. If she rejects the demon, preferably taking precautions to protect herself in the process, this would be absolutely the best course of action, as then neither of you will be at risk any further.

If you cannot talk to her, I would personally work on perhaps evoking or summoning other spirits . . . angels, deities, etc. that have positive energies and are known to combat/fight demons. It's possible one of these could work alongside you, help you to fight the demons and protect you, and they very rarely expect anything in return that would be too demanding of you. If you evoke a demon for help, that's another option, but - given your prior experiences and animosities - it could lead to some more trouble further down the line. I'd personally try to someone an equal/opposing force of good, who can help you by stopping them.

If that's still not an option:

I would say to personally begin with Lucifer, as it sounds like you may have some connection to him, which may make him easier to work with (in terms of understanding one another). He also sounds like one with the least amount of animosity; so you could bring this around and maybe come to compromise with him, perhaps getting him to intervene on your behalf. If Azazel has messed with your mind, inviting him into your life and seeking contact with him could make it worse. Glasya seems like a bad idea entirely, as their impact on your life is so dangerous at the moment, any direct confrontation could end very badly.

(Just my personal take; more senior members may have better advice).

[Jade-Carmichael]

Thank you, Robin. Now there are many other problems. The first one is that I have completely no knowledge in the occult and I don't know anything about banishing spells and stuff. There are like 30 demons and all of them powerful. At the orthodox church, there are prayers, not an exorcism like the catholic one. The other thing is that these demons came into the life of many of my friends, and they are threatening me, and by many of my friends, I mean a lot. I tried to keep distance from those friends, so an exorcism on me would bring revenge on my friends. Now Jenny, I don't know much about soul-selling, but I know that in one week Glasya will have her soul forever. Until then, he has taken her somewhere far away where no one, anyhow he/she tries can find or contact her in any possible form. I agree with you, and I won't work with demons because the, shall I say, greatest and most powerful of them all are after me. I don't want to be on bad terms with angels, but I guess it is the best idea for her. Do you know who can I summon to stay with me most of the time? I mean probably an angel that is able to stay with me, instead of doing other things in Heaven. Like I said, I have no idea how to summon them, so can you tell me who and how please? Now about me and the other friends, i don't know much about the demonic hierarchy, but I read the Bible and Lucifer, Azazel, Abaddon and Leviathan are in the top. Glasya is ruling 36 legions of demons, a legion can have 2000 demons, and it isn't pretty motivational. Lucifer was the leader of the falling of the angels, so, having him as an ally is a good idea. Now how to talk to him? I have no idea about summoning him. Yes, I understand him, mostly because he made me think like him. I do not trust him, but he is the only one from that side that may protect me. Which would also bring me problems of having him as an ally. Now Azazel, he is... I have no words for him, but, at nights, I hear a non-human voice, I even recorded it, to be sure it isn't my mind. It keeps asking me on a very calm voice :" Would you like to buy a goat?" I answer :"No way! Get out of here! ", And the voice answers me : "Fine." and the voice leaves. My situation is very bad, and the demons I am dealing with aren't just simple demons, Abaddon will lead the army at the Apocalypse against the Archangel Michael; Leviathan was mentioned in the Bible as a water-"dragon" at the chapter Job; Azazel is in the Old Testament as a demon to whom there were given goat sacrifices. Belphegor is the demon tat represents a capital sin; Glasya-Labolas would kill anyone; Lucifer... is Lucifer and there are others, but they are the most dangerous. And they are all having legions under their command. They declared war to me, w-a-r. Which means I will have direct confrontations, and not only physical. In my region, I have seen a possessed person, it was in the Center of the city and it looked at me, it grinned and it said :"Nos sumus hic!" ( I searched, and, in latin, it means we are here). Then the man wasn't possessed anymore. It will get physical soon and I really need an angel to be always by my side. Please, I need a lot of help fast.

[Robin_Alexander]

Thank you, Robin. Now there are many other problems. The first one is that I have completely no knowledge in the occult and I don't know anything about banishing spells and stuff. There are like 30 demons and all of them powerful. At the orthodox church, there are prayers, not an exorcism like the catholic one. The other thing is that these demons came into the life of many of my friends, and they are threatening me, and by many of my friends, I mean a lot. I tried to keep distance from those friends, so an exorcism on me would bring revenge on my friends.

Every expert was once a beginner

I've been lurking here for a while, but the community seems lovely. The search button at the top helps immensely, while you can always ask questions, too, and I can guarantee no one will have a problem discussing what steps you can do to protect yourself or dispel negative spirits/demons. There are some simple methods, some not so simple ones.

I would say you could take some simple steps, see if they make a difference to you personally. I find - with negative spirits - sprinkling salt and water about the house can help, burning sage in all corners of the room/house with spirit activity, and wearing certain crystals (like quartz). Another trick is to leave a fresh egg in the room with most activity for a week or so, then smash it into the toilet or outside trash-can once the time is passed; it should capture negative energies, removing them, but beware the smell when it's done!

These may not work for demons, though, especially high level (but it won't hurt to try).

Google brings up more about 'banishing spells' than I can count, so I'd definitely recommend doing a google search, too. Not meant in a patronising way, lol, but sometimes just a search can bring about information in the simplest manner, especially if you're short on time. If you're looking for the 'best' one, or don't want to do a trial-and-error approach, then searching for an appropriate thread may be the best bet

Now Jenny, I don't know much about soul-selling, but I know that in one week Glasya will have her soul forever. Until then, he has taken her somewhere far away where no one, anyhow he/she tries can find or contact her in any possible form. I agree with you, and I won't work with demons because the, shall I say, greatest and most powerful of them all are after me.

Is Jenny a friend that you have much information about?

I ask for reasons pertaining outside of spirits and demons. If she's missing, to the extent no one - not just you - knows where she is and can't make contact . . . that's problematic. If you think she's at risk, or just worry about her welfare, you can report her as a missing person or ask the police to make what's known as a 'welfare check' (or something along those lines). They'll either go to her, to make sure she's okay, or find her should she be missing. In terms of soul-selling, though . . .

There is some debate about whether a soul can be sold/bought, as well as whether it can be done so for eternity, but ultimately the choice will fall upon Jenny. I find people can't be made to do anything; there's also the fact most people can't be persuaded against a course of action, if they're truly set upon it. It's why a lot of us learn the hard way or people promote 'tough love' . . . experience counts for a lot. If Jenny is set on this course of action, that is her responsibility and ultimately it will be her choice. You can't be responsible for other people's actions. That's a responsibility that will drive you to insanity, as it's a weight too much for one person to bear.

By all means, do what you can, but try not to feel this responsibility is yours alone to bear.

Jenny plays a part in this, too, and it's ultimately her choice.

I don't want to be on bad terms with angels, but I guess it is the best idea for her. Do you know who can I summon to stay with me most of the time? I mean probably an angel that is able to stay with me, instead of doing other things in Heaven. Like I said, I have no idea how to summon them, so can you tell me who and how please?

I would recommend summoning an angel you feel a personal resonance toward (or who specialises in an area that is related to finding people, fighting evil, etc. related to what you need) . . . angels are usually very helpful, so - if they can't help you - they'll find someone else that can help you. They'll also likely find you someone less busy to be around you all the time, if that's what you need and they deem it necessary . . . example, I do some workings with a demon, who obviously can't always respond immediately or be there all the time, so I find sometimes others sent in his stead, but on his behalf. I can't see why an angel wouldn't have a similar response

I can't really tell you how, though . . . my methods are somewhat unconventional and lazy, enough that it got me into a lot of trouble in the past, so I'd never advocate it to another person. The best thing to do is what others have suggested in the other thread: reading. There will be threads here and on other forums, as well as information on google (take these with a pinch of salt, though, and always double-check/verify what's said), and books dedicated to summoning angels (some in your local bookstore, others online, and some free electronically).

Now about me and the other friends, i don't know much about the demonic hierarchy, but I read the Bible and Lucifer, Azazel, Abaddon and Leviathan are in the top. Glasya is ruling 36 legions of demons, a legion can have 2000 demons, and it isn't pretty motivational. Lucifer was the leader of the falling of the angels, so, having him as an ally is a good idea. Now how to talk to him? I have no idea about summoning him. Yes, I understand him, mostly because he made me think like him. I do not trust him, but he is the only one from that side that may protect me. Which would also bring me problems of having him as an ally. Now Azazel, he is... I have no words for him, but, at nights, I hear a non-human voice, I even recorded it, to be sure it isn't my mind. It keeps asking me on a very calm voice :" Would you like to buy a goat?" I answer :"No way! Get out of here! ", And the voice answers me : "Fine." and the voice leaves. My situation is very bad, and the demons I am dealing with aren't just simple demons, Abaddon will lead the army at the Apocalypse against the Archangel Michael; Leviathan was mentioned in the Bible as a water-"dragon" at the chapter Job; Azazel is in the Old Testament as a demon to whom there were given goat sacrifices. Belphegor is the demon tat represents a capital sin; Glasya-Labolas would kill anyone; Lucifer... is Lucifer and there are others, but they are the most dangerous. And they are all having legions under their command. They declared war to me, w-a-r. Which means I will have direct confrontations, and not only physical. In my region, I have seen a possessed person, it was in the Center of the city and it looked at me, it grinned and it said :"Nos sumus hic!" ( I searched, and, in latin, it means we are here). Then the man wasn't possessed anymore. It will get physical soon and I really need an angel to be always by my side. Please, I need a lot of help fast.

This one is a bit beyond my expertise . . .

In my experience, and from what I've read, I think you will be able to protect yourself by constantly using preventative measures (after purifying and cleansing your area, and banishing them away). It may sound somewhat childish, but ignoring them can often help . . . it's like the cliche of a bully, who will leave you alone once they get bored, because without a reaction their actions get them nowhere. It takes two people to hold a war, so the best response here may to just not respond . . . once you've taken all precautions, possibly with angelic intervention and protection, and they've gotten bored -? They probably won't want to pick on you.

[Jade-Carmichael]

Yes, Robin. Jenny is a friend and I know her, but she is alone. Her parents died and she lives with her grandmother, which lets her go anywhere for long time. Nobody knows her good except me. The problem is that Glasya hided her somewhere where no human can get. She hided her existence by soul and body and it is under his command, like half-possessed. Glasya gave ME a week. It is my soul against her, and now there are the other demons that have nothing to do with Glasya. It's like everybody wants my soul. Today I have seen 3 all-of-a-sudden-possessed looking straight at me, calling me by my name and then leaving the "host" fine. I feel responsible for Jenny, because I drove her to Glasya, I showed her the book and I told her everything about how to summon him, but I never knew she will. And when, by a joke, she did prepare everything, I tried to stop the sun from getting to the middle of the circle, but I "put" it there, and Glasya came, in fact he told my mind how to use everything. I tried to talk to Glasya, but he didn't let me physically and Jenny was so absorbed by the moment and she agreed. Glasya tricked me into everything. All the deal is a long story. And Jenny only wanted a person to love her and the feeling of having someone. Which makes me feel so guilty. I stayed with her so much time and now I "gave" her soul. She doesn't know how important a soul is and she is "living-the-moment". The war between me and Glasya became wider and now there are many strong demons against me, which makes the situation funnier is that I am going to a new high-school and it's not the best point to be at war with Bible-mentioned demons. Trust me, I tried to ignore them, but waking up with scratches and marks AND sigils (which you have to explain your parents) on almost every part of the body isn't the best way to start a morning. Of course, after hellish ( pun) nightmares. And at the day, hearing demons ( they also got physical), they are choking my neck. I have to fight them back. I have to get a friend to fight them, but at the moment I am too afraid for them not to get into this. I will summon an angel, for them to have a same-power adversary. And everything because I opened a book. The worst part is that I got possessed twice since them by a demon who didn't tell his name, and I threatened by parents, I have smalled seizures and, since then of course, I was diagnosed with epilepsy, of course, which I don't have. After every seizure I get three all-of-a-sudden scratches, not explained by medicine, and, in these "seizures" I speak a language which sounds like an articulated one. I need to fight them, not only to banish them only, because they will go to other people, and then to me. People are getting possessed because of me. And even my mother showed me a video on the local news where a demon said :" The legions are after you, Jade!". My mother asked me: "Isn't that your name?". I told her that the voice wasn't clear enough, but it was clear like hell( pun again)! Should I be "friends" with Lucifer? What can I do? It is getting wore day by day. Should I make a friend which I will tell everything? Six more days to save Jenny at the price of MY soul? A person got into the local hospital because of me! (the demon who possessed me)

[the_spiral]

Wow...that's a lot of information you didn't share when asking practitioners here how to cast a circle to have a nice friendly chit-chat with a demon.

I'm not sure what to make of this, honestly. A lot of it sounds like teenage psychodrama fueled by Christian fear. And it doesn't align with the experiences of anyone I know who has worked the Goetia.

Best of luck to you and your friends, and I hope you are able to resolve whatever is going on.

[Jade-Carmichael]

I am making no drama and trust me, I would love this thing to be only my imagination, but, since it isn't, I have to deal with it. I have always been very skeptical about the occult and demons. I didn't work with Goetia, I just opened one book and everything just happened. I do not want to tell this things to a lot of people, specifically to the internet, and I won't write any more information, even if it is. So, if anyone thinks it can contact me ( at the risks ), just tell me and I'll give you my contacts.

[the_spiral]

I'm not trying to imply this is only your imagination. I'm just saying most of this reads like Christian fan fiction. There are people on this board who've actually worked with the entities you mention and they're not cartoon villains running around harvesting souls. People can't sell their souls forever and Goetic Presidents don't waste their time going to "war" with high school students. I believe you if you say you're going through a harrowing spiritual experience, but I think you're manifesting many of the details yourself. Or else someone is tricking you. And since you mentioned St. Michael, yes he would be a good ally to invoke for protection.

Which book did you read, by the way? And what other occult practices have you engaged in so far?

[Robin_Alexander]

Apologies for interrupting!

I just wanted to say that 'the_spiral' makes a lot of good points; added to that, there are some lower-level spirits and demons that can be very manipulative, to the extent it is possible that they may be imitating those of higher rank, especially if they're causing you harm, as you say. Do you have anything that makes you certain these demons are who they say they are? If they are impostors, it could potentially be easier to get rid of them . . . they also would likely have a very limited impact on your friends (the fact they make such threats makes me wonder if they aren't relying on fear to control you, especially as some parasitic entities feed on fear).

[the_spiral]

Apologies for interrupting!

I just wanted to say that 'the_spiral' makes a lot of good points; added to that, there are some lower-level spirits and demons that can be very manipulative, to the extent it is possible that they may be imitating those of higher rank, especially if they're causing you harm, as you say. Do you have anything that makes you certain these demons are who they say they are? If they are impostors, it could potentially be easier to get rid of them . . . they also would likely have a very limited impact on your friends (the fact they make such threats makes me wonder if they aren't relying on fear to control you, especially as some parasitic entities feed on fear).

No problem, and I'm glad you brought it up. This is exhibit A why there are no shortcuts to learning proper methods of divination, protection and evocation before summoning...anything, really. You have no reliable way of knowing whether your results are due to "real" spirit contact, lesser spirits or astral opportunists messing with you for kicks, overactive imagination combined with religious fear of the unknown, latent mental illness etc. Too many variables to take this at face value. What I do know is "I just opened one book and everything just happened" isn't how demonic evocation works, and playing spooky parlor tricks on church kids isn't how Glasya-Labolas, Azazel or Lucifer work either. If someone posted here about a problem with G-L and it was clear they'd done their homework and were dealing with the real deal, my advice would be different. But OP seems to have an incomplete understanding of these entities, their power and their function(s) in the Universe beyond the orthodox Christian paradigm, and that fear is probably fueling and exacerbating the phenomena being experienced.

If anything this should be reassuring to OP, that the situation is probably more easily resolved than they think. And I still think St. Michael would help here.

[SerafinTronu]

Who to summon first?

You should sumon first not demon or Fallen Angel but your Guardian Angel / Guardian Spiritual.

You should make with him / them contact.

[Jade-Carmichael]

Thanks for your help, and it is enough, really. The situation I am in is very delicate and I don't want to put more people into it, just thank you. I will take care of your words. There is no doubt who is who, I will just thank you and I will summon Lucifer. Goodbye.

[Next]

Who to summon first?

You should sumon first not demon or Fallen Angel but your Guardian Angel / Guardian Spiritual.

You should make with him / them contact.

In my case, making a pact with Satan (casually, with no research or rituals) led to the discovery of my GA. They turned out to be one and the same.

Satan = Jesus = Lucifer = Kali = Holy Spirit = Hathor = every angel, god, goddess, demon, spirit, etc.

It's all one thing.

So it doesn't matter who is summoned first.

Really, any summoning is just taking you out of ordinary physical perception and putting you into your intuition/energy body.