Media Magick!

[Kami]

If our beliefs can shape magick...

Then... Would it be possible to use the media to program people into believing in something so that we can tap into that power?

For example:

Let's say that y'all hypothetically created a movie with the best special effects known to mankind, and falsely labeled it a: "A True Story".

In the movie the main character has occult powers that are possible to achieve through meditation.
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And blah blah blah for the rest of the movie.

Could that movie potentially program people into believing in it?
Obviously not everyone WOULD, I'm not that thick headed, but a good amount WOULD right?

Point is - Would that work?

Could making a bunch of people believe in an occult power ALLOW for that occult power to actually eventually exist?

And could we use that to our magical advantage?

Everyone's opinion matters!
So let me know what y'all are thinking. ~

[Hoodedrat]

I personally think that the occult (spiritual) exists as a thing independent of the individuals of the world. Sure our beliefs shape it to a certain extent but I think that's got more to do with how we perceive it then how it actually is.

As such, while I don't think such a movie would cause miraculous occult powers to suddenly exist, I think it could influence people's perspective enough to allow them to access powers that were already existing without their knowledge.

You could certianly use this as a way to recruit more people to start practicing with and experiencing the occult. But otherwise I don't think the film could really boost your abilities in any significant way in and of itself even with the belief of others.

However, since the more spiritually in tune people you get into one place the stronger "magic" tends to be, you could theoretically boost your power by surrounding yourself with the new recruits from the film.

[fraterai]

Absolutely. This is the nature of propaganda. Look at ww2 film tactics and such and just apply your concepts instead.

On an even higher level you can employ sigils (visual and acoustic), NLP, binaural beats or other sounds to produce light trance, or even spirits or servitors bound to the film.

75% of the population can be easily hypnotized

[Kami]

Absolutely. This is the nature of propaganda. Look at ww2 film tactics and such and just apply your concepts instead.

On an even higher level you can employ sigils (visual and acoustic), NLP, binaural beats or other sounds to produce light trance, or even spirits or servitors bound to the film.

75% of the population can be easily hypnotized

Can you list some movies that you believe are utilizing this?

I would love to watch them. ~

[Kami]

I personally think that the occult (spiritual) exists as a thing independent of the individuals of the world. Sure our beliefs shape it to a certain extent but I think that's got more to do with how we perceive it then how it actually is.

As such, while I don't think such a movie would cause miraculous occult powers to suddenly exist, I think it could influence people's perspective enough to allow them to access powers that were already existing without their knowledge.

You could certianly use this as a way to recruit more people to start practicing with and experiencing the occult. But otherwise I don't think the film could really boost your abilities in any significant way in and of itself even with the belief of others.

However, since the more spiritually in tune people you get into one place the stronger "magic" tends to be, you could theoretically boost your power by surrounding yourself with the new recruits from the film.

What about music? Same deal? ... Or? (:

[fraterai]

If you meant the "higher level" stuff, I do not know exactly the films that are using these things, as they probably wouldn't come out and say it, but I don't think you even really NEED these "higher level" things, why? Because propaganda works! (ww2 and current USA election, for example) I cant remember specific examples but many, many artists are into chaos/other magic and will use sigils and such some have come out and talked about how they applied these concepts to their work. If I can dig any up again I will put it here

[Nahemah]

You need some Chomsky for this...

The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behaviour that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfil this role requires systematic propaganda.,,

https://chomsky.info/consent01/

We are all media magickians now. Lol, but seriously.

Manipulation of belief, that has been going on for a very long time. Just think of 'White Western Jesus,' for instance: the classic imagery of the Blond blue eyed, light skinned white robed male that we in the West know so well...or how mishapen, deformed,'ugly' or old bodies represent evil, particularly the imagery of 'the wicked old hag', for another example. There are many more too.
It's not a new or original concept. Organised religions have been getting away with it for thousands of years.

[Kami]

You need some Chomsky for this...

The mass media serve as a system for communicating messages and symbols to the general populace. It is their function to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behaviour that will integrate them into the institutional structures of the larger society. In a world of concentrated wealth and major conflicts of class interest, to fulfil this role requires systematic propaganda.,,

https://chomsky.info/consent01/

We are all media magickians now. Lol, but seriously.

Manipulation of belief, that has been going on for a very long time. Just think of 'White Western Jesus,' for instance: the classic imagery of the Blond blue eyed, light skinned white robed male that we in the West know so well...or how mishapen, deformed,'ugly' or old bodies represent evil, particularly the imagery of 'the wicked old hag', for another example. There are many more too.
It's not a new or original concept. Organised religions have been getting away with it for thousands of years.

Thank you for the link! (:.

This describes a whole lot that's been going on thus far...

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Does this manipualtuon of the masses in any way relate to this following quote?: "He or She who names their Legion - Can do anything."

Because I see that religion has done that, bamed their legion, Muslims and Christians - E.t.c. ~

I see this more in the police force than anything, they have named their legion and they CAN do anything and get away with it...

I don't want that kind of power... Just the the kind that allows me to control someome when I am danger e.t.c. (x.x)

[Daremo]

I agree with fraterai what you describe is happening all the time. Media and advertisement is all talismanic magick although its often pretty hollow. I have to give props to the american television series "Charmed" for attempting to do what you proposed and they were quite successful. Despite its silliness and often gross misrepresentation of witchcraft, and aside from its more obvious subtlties like their club name P3 or 93 and one of them worked at a place called bucklands, it very subtely changed the undercurrent of american thought on wicca/witchcraft. It changed the view that all magick is evil to the idea that witches could be good guys and made it far easier to be accepted as a practitoner in america. It went from evil and fearful to silly and laughable in the minds of many which was a pretty major step. I know some christians that still say magick is satanic or evil and yet they love the show which is totally bizarre, but obviously their conviction has been shaken by the show and now to say magick is evil is more like a triggered response from conditioning than a belief.

[Daud]

It's fascinating how utterly pervasive it is. Have you checked out this guy's blog?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/

[PantheraLeo]

Have you seen doctor strange? lol

[PantheraLeo]

damn, did not realize this was such an old thread, well at least now there is a practical experiment to test the original question haha

[Next]

I think you're into magic for the wrong reasons

Your intention is tarnished

Yeah, you can get a temporary effect, but anything false or forced can't last

Why invest in something unsustainable?

[CCoburn]

With regard to the OP, even if the premise is false. If it produces a successful outcome, you then have some proof. Which can replace the false precursor as it is more substantial, being in your own experience.

I myself created a strong faith by meditating on Occult Matters, much of which were Divine concepts.

And as far as the answers to the two last questions in the OP. It's as they say "Anything is possible!"

Cheers!