Can the trance state be dangerous ?

[Bozkurt]

Hello !
I was wondering if the trance state can be dangerous at certain conditions? I'm asking this because I know that when we're in trance we perceive everything literally.
For example - can it be dangerous if we are in a trance state and someone talks to us (talks something no matter what) ?

[RockDemon]

While I don't have much experience but in my opinion this question is pretty much self explanatory. Yes it is dangerous.

[Desecrated]

Not really. But yes.
It's not bad if somebody says "something": Like you being in a trance state and your roommate says hi.
But I'm sure you can mess with somebodies psyche if they are inexperienced and thus vulnerable.

However; Trance state is not the same as hypnotic state. If somebody tells you to jump out of a window, you're not automatically going to do that.

And there is also an ongoing debate about the difference between trance. In a lot of primitive religions we see a trance state where the practitioner is no longer aware of the outside world, so talking to them would be pointless. However, in mediums (both modern and primitive) we sometime see practitioner go into trance so that spirits can talk through them.

What is even more confusing is some tarot readers that will put themselves in "trance" and be fully able to communicate and talk to.
And some call that gnosis, or just a heighten state of concentration. Which makes some gnostic people a bit sour, because gnosis to them, means higher knowledge and is something a bit different then gnosis as it is described in chaos magick.

So this is once again, one of those subjects, where you might end up getting different answers to the same question depending on what system the person answering it belongs to. The best thing to do is to make sure you yourself have a really good comprehension of what you consider to be trance, and how you work during that behavior.
Not everybody who drinks alcohol behaves the same, some might get happy, others get aggressive, and some just pass out.

[Bozkurt]

Desecrated, thank you for your detailed response !
OK, I know there's no danger in saying ''hi'' to someone who is in trance. But if we say to someone in trance ''You're stupid/You suck/You are smart/You're beautiful'' do you think this will affect this somebody's confidence deeper ?

[Desecrated]

Desecrated, thank you for your detailed response !
OK, I know there's no danger in saying ''hi'' to someone who is in trance. But if we say to someone in trance ''You're stupid/You suck/You are smart/You're beautiful'' do you think this will affect this somebody's confidence deeper ?

Not long term.
If it was a hypnotic state you could use positive affirmations to boost their confidence. There are even some people ho have cured themselves from self-harm or nicotine addiction that way.
During a classic trance state you're probably just going to influence them at the very moment. They might end up having a bad trip if you start screaming bloody murder at them. But I don't think you can program anybody that way.

Imagine yourself being on the dancefloor, having a really good time, really getting into the music and somebody walks by and calls you a dick. Chances are that you won't even notice it. Te person would probably have to get your attention somehow and even after that, because you are having such a good time you might not even care about it. If he on the other hand starts screaming it over and over, it will probably break your "vibe" and chances are that you'll just walk away.

I think that is probably the worst thing that will happen if you start assaulting somebody in their trance state: They'll snap out of it, and loose their motivation. You've probably ruined their evening, but they should be able to bounce back soon.
Unless you start doing it on a daily basis, in which case we are talking about torture or bullying. And that's probably not good in any state.

[Bozkurt]

I understand. Thank you !

[the_spiral]

Maybe we're describing different phenomena, but I don't feel more vulnerable or less aware of my surroundings in a state of magical trance (like I might be if I were drunk on alcohol for example). Quite the opposite, actually. So if you approached me while I was in trance and said "you're stupid" I would hear not only your words, but notice the changes in your aura when you spoke them, and pick up on your hidden thoughts and energetic motivations for speaking them. If anything I think it's more dangerous to go through life with your astral senses turned off, getting hit by different things with no awareness of what they are, where they came from or why they're affecting your mood. I think if magic is causing a decrease in your situational awareness, that's maybe a problem.

[Desecrated]

Maybe we're describing different phenomena, but I don't feel more vulnerable or less aware of my surroundings in a state of magical trance (like I might be if I were drunk on alcohol for example). Quite the opposite, actually. So if you approached me while I was in trance and said "you're stupid" I would hear not only your words, but notice the changes in your aura when you spoke them, and pick up on your hidden thoughts and energetic motivations for speaking them.

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If anything I think it's more dangerous to go through life with your astral senses turned off, getting hit by different things with no awareness of what they are, where they came from or why they're affecting your mood. I think if magic is causing a decrease in your situational awareness, that's maybe a problem.

I feel like these are two completely different areas. I don't fall in trance and go shopping or hop on the nearest bus to work.
Trance for me is done in a ritual space and context. It's not an everyday thing.

But the thing about "situational awareness" is also a choice. I've always been good at picking up others emotions, and one of the reason why I choose to practice magic was to shield me from that. When I'm out in public I have more charms on me then usually, because I want to be unaware.
Magic can be done both to decrease or to increase, it depends on where you apply it.
However, in the beginning when you start practicing and experience different mental states you tend to be more open to stuff. And of course you attract more stuff as well. So you do experience a lot more if you want to. But as you go on, you can choose how much of that you want.
Some people like the idea of having spirits in their house. I don't even like humans in my house, I absolutely do not allow anything spirit, ghost or astral in here. I reject every single one of them. And if I had a guardian angel, I would post them outside.
My mind, my rules.

[Bozkurt]

Thank you for your answer too !

So if you approached me while I was in trance and said "you're stupid" I would hear not only your words, but notice the changes in your aura when you spoke them, and pick up on your hidden thoughts and energetic motivations for speaking them.

But how do you do that ? I have never heard of something like that before...
Which ''path'' teaches this ? Where can I learn ?