How would you break out of a prison using occult or magick?

[mindsword]

Imagine this hypothetical scenario: You're in prison. Why is not important, but you have a pretty long sentence. So long you decide to use your knowledge of the occult to gain your freedom. Depending on which path(s) you follow how would you try to accomplish this?

Remember: Prisons are built to keep you in and they are very effective at it for the most part. In my mind you would have to reverse the flow of energy keeping you in, which could be time consuming or find some sort of glitch in the system, which could or could not take a little faster, depending on how effective it is and how fast you are able to find it.

How would you do this and what is your philosophy behind it? Is prison a physical barrier, a spiritual one or a mix of both? I see it as a mix of both, because without the spiritual side of a wide range of human minds (including your own) keeping you in, i guess you wouldn't be in there in the first place. Also remember that a lot of innocent people, drug users and political dissidents are in prison without any real reason except for fucked up laws in many countries. Is it possible to look away from either the physical or the spiritual side and kind of just "hack" one of them. Would you focus more on the physical aspect or the spiritual aspect?

I'd probably use a mix of advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick to slowly break down resistance. This would probably take a while as there would be many factors that would need to be broken down.

No, i am not in prison [tongue] Unless you count some sort of mental prison in which i cant really seem to further my life for some reason, stuck in my apartment looking at youtube videos and drinking every fucking day. I guess this might be the psychological reason for me posting this question as i kind of see my life as a metaphoric prison these days. Depressing, but probably not as depressing as a real penitentiary. But it would be an interesting experiment to see how effective each of our powers and knowledge of the occult would be at breaking down a clear physical and/or spiritual barrier, depending on how you look at it.

[LoneWolf]

I would sit down and meditate until I open my eyes on another place.

[Seabed]

If you can, watch the movie The Shawshank Redemption (1994) by Frank Darabont. BTW, it's an excellent movie.
Tim Robins acts a prisoner found guilty of a crime he did not commit. Even there is nothing about the magick and the occult in the movie, it holds the answers to your questions:
- accept your situation just as it is, no matter how hard it is,
- don't blame a life for your situation, stay calm and do whatever you have to do, without showing any anxiety,
- make a plan and believe and work on your plan 24/7, even if it's complicated, ugly and uncertain, but don't be impatient,
- stick to your hope and dreams.
That's the real Magick

[Desecrated]

Hypnosis.

[Desecrated]

stuck in my apartment looking at youtube videos and drinking every fucking day. I guess this might be the psychological reason for me posting this question as i kind of see my life as a metaphoric prison these days. .

Stop doing that then.

[mindsword]

I would sit down and meditate until I open my eyes on another place.

Isnt that a bit oversimplified? I mean that would take some serious mastery on meditation unless your just fall asleep and dream a few hours, then wake up in the cell again. Unless you plan on inducing a coma and just sleep your whole sentence. Or are you literally talking about ACTUALLY meditating yourself out of prison? I mean physically meditating your prison sentence noticeably or objectionably shorter?

If you can, watch the movie The Shawshank Redemption (1994) by Frank Darabont. BTW, it's an excellent movie.
Tim Robins acts a prisoner found guilty of a crime he did not commit. Even there is nothing about the magick and the occult in the movie, it holds the answers to your questions:
- accept your situation just as it is, no matter how hard it is,
- don't blame a life for your situation, stay calm and do whatever you have to do, without showing any anxiety,
- make a plan and believe and work on your plan 24/7, even if it's complicated, ugly and uncertain, but don't be impatient,
- stick to your hope and dreams.
That's the real Magick

Yes. We've all seen Shawshank Redemption. One of the greatest movies yet to date. BUT, it involves only the physical aspect (digging, then fleeing to another country.) in order to exit the situation, which btw took like 20 or 25 years to accomplish? I dont remember exactly. What could the protagonist (the falsely accused white guy, dont remember his name) have done differently using sorcery or other forms of occult practices to speed up his escape or even pardon or reducing his sentence?

Hypnosis.

I guess that could be effective in some ways. What kind of hypnosis are you talking about that would be the most effective? Or could you use a mix of different types? Please elaborate.

What about forms of chaos magic? And can you apply any of these techniques to other metaphoric "prisons", be them mental, spiritual or physical?

[Shinichi]

If one has sufficient metaphysical power to escape a prison cell, then such a person would ideally use that power to avoid being put in a prison cell in the first place.



~:Shin:~

[Seabed]

What could the protagonist (the falsely accused white guy, dont remember his name) have done differently using sorcery or other forms of occult practices to speed up his escape or even pardon or reducing his sentence?

Hypnosis is a very elegant method. It's a fact that hypnotist Wolf Messing used a blank piece of paper instead of a check, in a bank to take large amount of money (it was an experiment, observed and documented). I also hear that Gurdjieff used hypnosis to cross the countries borders with a blank piece of paper, too (I'm not sure if it's true or not). If the protagonist is hypnosis master already, he could leave the prison whenever he wants.
Rituals for Justice are good way, too, but this won't be my first option in this case.

[mindsword]

If the protagonist is hypnosis master already, he could leave the prison whenever he wants.

Hey guard, i mean bro, I'm just gonna get some chips at the store. I'll pick up something for you. Lock me out and I'll be right back, eh? [grin2] I'm curious as to how this would actually work.

Justice rituals take some time, but definitely not impossible and a great balance restoring technique, although you'd better be in the right.

[Seabed]

If one has sufficient metaphysical power to escape a prison cell, then such a person would ideally use that power to avoid being put in a prison cell in the first place.



~:Shin:~

Even the most powerful Occult Masters make mistakes, so they can face troubles, as everyone else.
I'm not very pleased, but I will mention just one case (there are so many others). A case of Dione Fortune, a famous British Occultist, Qabalist, Ceremonial Magician: she died of leukemia, I think she was only 55 years old. I wont talk about Franz Bardon

[Seabed]

If the protagonist is hypnosis master already, he could leave the prison whenever he wants.

Hey guard, i mean bro, I'm just gonna get some chips at the store. I'll pick up something for you. Lock me out and I'll be right back, eh? [grin2] I'm curious as to how this would actually work.

Justice rituals take some time, but definitely not impossible and a great balance restoring technique, although you'd better be in the right.

He could schedule a medical check up, and to be a confused with the doctor, let' say... [grin]

Justice rituals are tricky, because we all believe we are in the right, but mostly we are not...

[LoneWolf]

I would sit down and meditate until I open my eyes on another place.

[...] are you literally talking about ACTUALLY meditating yourself out of prison? I mean physically meditating your prison sentence noticeably or objectionably shorter?

Yes.

I haven't transcended the physical plane - yet. Space is still a thing for me. However, if I had to transcend it in this lifetime and hadn't done it by the time I was in prison I believe that would be the moment to really try, wouldn't it?

Your current situation serves as an excellent comparison:

stuck in my apartment looking at youtube videos and drinking every fucking day.

Stop doing that then.

Exactly. The only thing that separates you from doing diferent and being another place enjoying yourself is merely an idea on your mind.

It might seem like a long process, however the precise moment when you outgrow such limitation is just a fraction of a second. Something "clicks". An idea changes. You can either wait and live many experiences that lead to such click, talks, movies, psychologists, songs, colors of the sky,... OR just do the click yourself. A new idea born from nothingness contained in a fraction of a second does the change.

The real question is, why is the physical prison different?

I Wish you well.

Regards.

[Kami]

Answer:

Astral Projection.

We're talking about a real prison - right(?)

If I were in prison, I would hope that I am adept at iducing an out of body experience at: "will" - In order to fly out of the prison and then possess someone who is spiritually/mentally weak. It would immensely help if they weren't into any type of occult practices nor into religion as well as not believing in god nor the supernatural.

^Just my two cents. ~

>.>

[the_spiral]

Enchantments and glamour would be easier than most of the other stuff listed here. Glamour the guards into doing favors for you. Glamour more powerful prisoners into protecting you. Glamour the parole board into an early release. And use the free time in between to get your physical body in shape and explore the inner astral realms.

But your post begs the obvious question: if you know advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick, why don't you use some of that to break out of your self-imposed prison of booze and cat videos?

[Kami]

Enchantments and glamour would be easier than most of the other stuff listed here.

Oh yeah? (;

XD

Glamour the guards into doing favors for you. Glamour more powerful prisoners into protecting you. Glamour the parole board into an early release.

I don't think being smexy for teh pplz is a good idea. Dx

Use the free time in between to get your physical body in shape and explore the inner astral realms.

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But your post begs the obvious question: if you know advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick, why don't you use some of that to break out of your self-imposed prison of booze and cat videos?

Maybe o.p. hasn't been trained to compel people like healers can?

You know... Where a healer's heart can produce (2) cycles of electromagnetic waves which is around (250) bpm.

A heart that is only producing one cycles per second/(80-100) bpm - isn't strong enough to compel someone but strong enough to implant ideas along with the feelings that they provoke - if close enough to their aura.

That's why if your heart is around (250) bpm - the stronger your will power.

And time is also a very required step in all of this.

Three minutes is usually good enough.

The reason why time is so important here is because it takes time for your heart's e.m. waves to reach your target's brain and alter his or her mood/feelings.

The further away you are from your target - the longer it takes your heart waves to reach them.

The closer you are to your target - the easier it is for your heart waves to reach them.

Remember, if light is an aspect of electromagnetism - then... that means electromagnets as well as regular magnets have a radiation distance the same length as light does in our perspective. It is just that our scientific equipment isn't sensitive enough to perceive a magnet's field from a distance beyond its observable influence.

What I am trying to say is that if light waves can go a great distance - so too can magnetic waves.

Also, if two magnets can affect one another, why not a living creature's heart *which is more stronger electromagnetically than the brain* affect another living creature's brain?

Also remember that if each of our thoughts have unique brainwave signatures, then so too does our heart's feelings produce unique heartwave signatures.

It's possible for you to tune into your target from a greater distance even from one country to another via the earth's magnetic field.

When we astral project and remote view - our electromagnetic consciousness is being projected into the earths e.m. field and you can travel anywhere.

Including the universe because it is filled with so much e.m. radiation.

Anyways, the point I am trying to make here is basically you are 100% correct, choosing to put someone under a spell to do your bidding is quite fun.

Some like to call it: "Compelling" - Like in the vampire diaries:

The eyes are the window to the soul.

If a person's soul *the sun within the universe of their mind* is turned into a blackhole - they become a psionic vampire who's solar plexus absorbs more energy *through their aura* from the auras of other living creatures.

A psi vamp can drain an animal's *humans are animals as well* energy and make them sleepy.

For example:
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Chi Energy - master gets animals to sleep:

The guy in the video above isn't a psi vamp...

But that's how psi vamps *in their nature* absorb an animal's energy to make them sleep.

...

A Blackhole is probably very cold - the opposite of its original form: "Sun".

So a blackhole would be a correspondence of yin chi which is cold; electric.

Which makes sense on how a psi vamp naturally absorbs [yang chi; magnetic] from other living creatures.

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It's all about the power of one's heart. ~

[Kami]

Or you can skip it all and just use: "Devil's Breath" - Take someone's free will away from them.

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[mindsword]

But your post begs the obvious question: if you know advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick, why don't you use some of that to break out of your self-imposed prison of booze and cat videos?

Cause i love booze and cat videos? [grin]

Seriously tho, i have tried. I think i tried a little too hard tho, and i might have some serious energy depletion, or something blocking my attempts, cause i just cant muster up the willpower to start trying again.......

and there seems to be a lot of oversimplification in this thread. "Stop doing that then." f.ex. If you really compare my situation or any other "mental type prison" then would you also say this to a real inmate? "Stop being in prison then"?

If it was that simple, shouldn't this thread just be [SOLVED] by now? [tongue]

[Shinichi]

But your post begs the obvious question: if you know advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick, why don't you use some of that to break out of your self-imposed prison of booze and cat videos?

Cause i love booze and cat videos? [grin]

Find something more productive that you can love even more. That way, you aren't focusing your energy on trying to suppress a desire ("No more cat videos! No more booze!"), but rather redirecting that energy towards a different and superior desire.

Seriously tho, i have tried. I think i tried a little too hard tho, and i might have some serious energy depletion, or something blocking my attempts, cause i just cant muster up the willpower to start trying again.......

There is no try. Do, or do not.

If you have not utilized the work of the Soul Mirrors in Franz Bardon's Initiation Into Hermetics, I recommend it. That work has done more to free me from the shackles of personal vice than any other.

and there seems to be a lot of oversimplification in this thread. "Stop doing that then." f.ex. If you really compare my situation or any other "mental type prison" then would you also say this to a real inmate? "Stop being in prison then"?

The difference between a "real" inmate and you is that your prison was created by your own efforts, and can also be disassembled by your own efforts. Someone in a physical cell does not have this option.

If it was that simple, shouldn't this thread just be [SOLVED] by now? [tongue]

Life is the most simple thing in the world. People just give a lot of effort to thoroughly over complicating it.



~:Shin:~

[mindsword]

But your post begs the obvious question: if you know advanced hypersigils, telekinesis, telepathy and high magick, why don't you use some of that to break out of your self-imposed prison of booze and cat videos?

Cause i love booze and cat videos? [grin]

Find something more productive that you can love even more. That way, you aren't focusing your energy on trying to suppress a desire ("No more cat videos! No more booze!"), but rather redirecting that energy towards a different and superior desire.

I was being slightly sarcastic. I dont just sit and watch cat videos drunk and expect shit to change you know. I wouldnt be posting this up for debate if i did.

Seriously tho, i have tried. I think i tried a little too hard tho, and i might have some serious energy depletion, or something blocking my attempts, cause i just cant muster up the willpower to start trying again.......

There is no try. Do, or do not.

Seriously i love star wars quotes. Big Up.

and there seems to be a lot of oversimplification in this thread. "Stop doing that then." f.ex. If you really compare my situation or any other "mental type prison" then would you also say this to a real inmate? "Stop being in prison then"?

The difference between a "real" inmate and you is that your prison was created by your own efforts, and can also be disassembled by your own efforts. Someone in a physical cell does not have this option.

Someone hinted that a mental or spiritual prison isnt very different from a real physical one. I was just pointing that out. If that is the case i asked would you say this to a real inmate? No. How do you know a persons situation is that simple without having the whole story or having been in their shoes?

If it was that simple, shouldn't this thread just be [SOLVED] by now? [tongue]

Life is the most simple thing in the world. People just give a lot of effort to thoroughly over complicating it.

You kind of just contradicted yourself and the video you posted, which WERE complicated if you didn't know what the heck he was talking about. Certain subjects need a lot of knowledge before you 'think' they are simple. Just because something is simple to an adept at classical piano music doesn't make it simple for everyone else who hasn't dedicated years of practice in study into it.

Life CAN be simple, but it is not always simple. Many situations require years of in-depth research. Did you think occultism was simple before you finally got the hang of it? If you ask any professional/master about their trade ofc they are gonna think it is simple. They have years of practice and understanding of it. Does that make it simple? No. Life has infinite nuances and there is at least two sides to every coin. Personally i dont like simple. If life was simple, or anything else for that matter, it wouldn't be a challenge. It would become stagnant. Nothing would require practice, nothing would require effort and self development. Again, i might be over complicating things, but who is anyone to say you are not oversimplifying things? Do you have the whole spectrum? Are you thoroughly learned on the subject? Are you qualified to tell someone struggling what/why they are struggling? Do you believe yourself to be more qualified than myself thinking i did not do the research and that i am just overreacting and you would do a better job? If so what gives you this qualification? Can you show me something that gives me definite results except the four word quasi-spiritual facebook meme one-liner?

The universe is not always an on-off button. Sometimes it might be, but other times there are billions of on-off buttons that need to be in the perfect order of on-off combinations in order for things to work (Not that i live by this rule. Many times i just expect over compliated shit like quantum mechanics to ust take care of themselves. I know a lot of things don't necessarily need my constant attention, i'm just using this as a metaphoric example). If everything was chaos there would only be white noise and nothing would evolve and if everything was in perfect place everything would stop moving and become forever stagnant, also never evolving.

You wouldn't tell an inmate in a physical prison to stop being in prison. There are more nuances. Just like the physical prisoner you wouldn't just tell a spiritual or mental prisoner to stop being in prison. Although i do understand your point of view. Just like you wouldn't tell an astrophysicist to just build that interstellar satellite or the brain surgeon to just fix that guys head because "Life is the most simple thing in the world."

[the_spiral]

I don't think being smexy for teh pplz is a good idea. Dx

Heh Kami I didn't mean it in that sense, more in the general sense of persuasion or compelling. It could be a path of less resistance, especially since inmates and COs aren't always the brightest people. But if the sexy way works for you, hey. Get in where you fit in.

And the people here are right, breaking out of self-imposed mental cages is simple. You can step out at any time via a shift in consciousness. But "simple" does not equal "easy."

[Shinichi]

Ah, youth.

Someone hinted that a mental or spiritual prison isnt very different from a real physical one. I was just pointing that out. If that is the case i asked would you say this to a real inmate? No. How do you know a persons situation is that simple without having the whole story or having been in their shoes?

Any given situation, in the context of this overall discussion, is not as relevant as the path to changing it. Getting out of prison, for most sentences, is overwhelmingly simple: be on your best behavior. When the parole hearings come, they'll be much more likely to let you out, and people get their sentences cut every day for "good behavior." Even murderers and rapists walk with years shaved off their sentences because they behaved while behind bars.

Is doing that easy? No. Does it happen quickly? Not necessarily. Is it simple? Yup.

If it was that simple, shouldn't this thread just be [SOLVED] by now? [tongue]

Life is the most simple thing in the world. People just give a lot of effort to thoroughly over complicating it.

You kind of just contradicted yourself and the video you posted, which WERE complicated if you didn't know what the heck he was talking about. Certain subjects need a lot of knowledge before you 'think' they are simple. Just because something is simple to an adept at classical piano music doesn't make it simple for everyone else who hasn't dedicated years of practice in study into it.

The Soul Mirror exercises are not complicated at all, especially if you follow Bardon's instructions in the book. The video is meant as extra supplement. If you want something even simpler, read my Fundamental Development and the exercises of Internal Awareness and Psychic Discipline - my training works to the same goals as the Soul Mirrors, just without the elemental organization.

Life CAN be simple, but it is not always simple.

Life is simple. Society isn't. Do not confuse the two, or think they are the same.

Did you think occultism was simple before you finally got the hang of it?

I did, actually. That's why I've progressed so much and so quickly compared to some of my peers. The more you over complicate the mysteries, they harder they are to comprehend.

Personally i dont like simple. If life was simple, or anything else for that matter, it wouldn't be a challenge. It would become stagnant. Nothing would require practice, nothing would require effort and self development.

The universe doesn't really care what you like, and just because something is simple that does not mean it is easy. Driving is simple enough that almost everyone can do it, but plenty of people still die from car accidents.

Again, i might be over complicating things, but who is anyone to say you are not oversimplifying things?

There is a natural equipoise between over complication and over simplification. I actually spend most of my time there, even when people assume I am oversimplifying something, because that middle ground is where most Truth resides.

Do you have the whole spectrum?

Depends on the spectrum.

Are you thoroughly learned on the subject?

Depends on the subject.

Are you qualified to tell someone struggling what/why they are struggling?

Usually. Most wizards are capable of counseling, wisdom being in the job qualifications and all.

Can you show me something that gives me definite results except the four word quasi-spiritual facebook meme one-liner?

I could point to plenty of things, but I cannot make you see them or use them.

The universe is not always an on-off button.

I did not say that it was.

You wouldn't tell an inmate in a physical prison to stop being in prison. There are more nuances. Just like the physical prisoner you wouldn't just tell a spiritual or mental prisoner to stop being in prison.

Oh, but I would, and I do when I'm mentoring or poking at an apprentice. A mental prison is not the same as a physical prison. An inmate has had his choices taken away, but most people are not in that circumstance - most people have volition and many options, even when they are lazy and do not appreciate the options they have. I have been in numerous mental prisons - from addiction to suicidal depression - and I escaped each and every one of them. It was not easy and it was not an instant transformation, but it was profoundly simple.

And so I will tell you, as I have told others, that if you want to change then change. Stop making excuses. Sit down and take a good hard look at yourself. Analyze the circumstances, habits and thought patterns that dissatisfy you. Analyze the reasons why they dissatisfy you, and the reasons why you are in a given circumstance to begin with. Then make changes. Small changes are fine, as long as you can stick to them. Watch one cat video a day instead of dozens of them, or have one less beer. Make one change, and then another, until this time next year you are no longer the person you are now. And then the next year, you've changed again. Day after day, year after year, until one day you wake up and you are exactly who you want to be, thoroughly satisfied with yourself and your life, and completely free from the shackles and cages that held you down before.

There is absolutely nothing complicated about this form of self-transformation. All you have to do is have the courage to look at yourself honestly and the perseverance to put one foot in front of the other and do it.

Although i do understand your point of view.

Do you, though?

Just like you wouldn't tell an astrophysicist to just build that interstellar satellite or the brain surgeon to just fix that guys head because "Life is the most simple thing in the world."

*chuckles*

You've made a lot of assumptions about what I would or wouldn't tell someone.

Do not think that life is the skills you have or the job you do. It isn't. Someone can have a difficult job and an easy life, or an easy job and a difficult life. What's important is not the job - it is what you take from it, and who you are.

And the people here are right, breaking out of self-imposed mental cages is simple. You can step out at any time via a shift in consciousness. But "simple" does not equal "easy."

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~:Shin:~