Worshipping Satan

[Hadit]

I don't think Set/Satan would be pleased by any sort of pact, especially not involving harming of the self for a blood ritual.

How come?

Because Set desires for his elect to be individual, to carve their own way. Unlike most gods Set encourages us to question him, challenge him, doubt him, so that we may come to new ideas together. A pact stagnates things, it keeps them from evolving, the nature of Set's enemy Osiris. And self harm is a sign of disrespecting the self, wasting one's blood, and focusing on materialism, all of which Set is against.

[ulvfdfgtmk]

Interesting viewpoint, but what if you include in your pact that you will continue to doubt/question him?

And self harm is a sign of disrespecting the self, wasting one's blood, and focusing on materialism, all of which Set is against.

I guess that´s up to the individual wether self harm is considered disrespecting the self or transgressing a border in order to show devotion/sincerity to the path.

[Hadit]

Interesting viewpoint, but what if you include in your pact that you will continue to doubt/question him?

And self harm is a sign of disrespecting the self, wasting one's blood, and focusing on materialism, all of which Set is against.

I guess that´s up to the individual wether self harm is considered disrespecting the self or transgressing a border in order to show devotion/sincerity to the path.

But what's the point of a pact that relies entirely on you, the individual? And it's of course up to an individual to self harm,that's their body and their right. But from my studies it seems Set appreciates a bit more self respect,self control, and evolved magical methods.

[the_spiral]

Interesting viewpoint, but what if you include in your pact that you will continue to doubt/question him?

And self harm is a sign of disrespecting the self, wasting one's blood, and focusing on materialism, all of which Set is against.

I guess that´s up to the individual wether self harm is considered disrespecting the self or transgressing a border in order to show devotion/sincerity to the path.

But what's the point of a pact that relies entirely on you, the individual? And it's of course up to an individual to self harm,that's their body and their right. But from my studies it seems Set appreciates a bit more self respect,self control, and evolved magical methods.

That's assuming the "Father Satan" entity promoted by JoS is Set. Maxine and Co. require cult-like devotion and unquestioning acceptance of their propaganda from followers, neither of which sound like Setian values to me. I have no interest in digging too deeply here but it reads more like an egregore with different traits adopted piecemeal from Set, Lucifer, Melek Taus, Kundalini-Devi etc. With a liberal dose of anti-Semitic nonsense on top.

[Hadit]

That's assuming the "Father Satan" entity promoted by JoS is Set. Maxine and Co. require cult-like devotion and unquestioning acceptance of their propaganda from followers, neither of which sound like Setian values to me. I have no interest in digging too deeply here but it reads more like an egregore with different traits adopted piecemeal from Set, Lucifer, Melek Taus, Kundalini-Devi etc. With a liberal dose of anti-Semitic nonsense on top.

Uh, JoS suggests the self harm method and I certainly do not support them. I have no "Father Satan". JoS is a neo Nazi, pseudo history, ancient alien cult based on absolute fantasy.

[the_spiral]

That's assuming the "Father Satan" entity promoted by JoS is Set. Maxine and Co. require cult-like devotion and unquestioning acceptance of their propaganda from followers, neither of which sound like Setian values to me. I have no interest in digging too deeply here but it reads more like an egregore with different traits adopted piecemeal from Set, Lucifer, Melek Taus, Kundalini-Devi etc. With a liberal dose of anti-Semitic nonsense on top.

Uh, JoS suggests the self harm method and I certainly do not support them. I have no "Father Satan". JoS is a neo Nazi, pseudo history, ancient alien cult based on absolute fantasy.

Uh, I think you misread my comment. I never said you supported JoS, only that the OP likely isn't on a Setian path at all. He specifically discussed doing self-harm rituals to "Father Satan" off the JoS website, which is a different entity altogether if you could even call it that.

[Hadit]

That's assuming the "Father Satan" entity promoted by JoS is Set. Maxine and Co. require cult-like devotion and unquestioning acceptance of their propaganda from followers, neither of which sound like Setian values to me. I have no interest in digging too deeply here but it reads more like an egregore with different traits adopted piecemeal from Set, Lucifer, Melek Taus, Kundalini-Devi etc. With a liberal dose of anti-Semitic nonsense on top.

Uh, JoS suggests the self harm method and I certainly do not support them. I have no "Father Satan". JoS is a neo Nazi, pseudo history, ancient alien cult based on absolute fantasy.

Uh, I think you misread my comment. I never said you supported JoS, only that the OP likely isn't on a Setian path at all. He specifically discussed doing self-harm rituals to "Father Satan" off the JoS website, which is a different entity altogether if you could even call it that.

Ah I misread that!

[Next]

No conflict

They're all the same thing

[DarkHermit]

Joy of Satan is a dangerous joke.

In my experience I agree, they spoke to me about flowery heavenly shit and light. Fuck that I want hidiosity fire and brimstone, and I see it through my meditation sessions. I have seen some sick shit during these meditation session. no light anywhere.

[CCoburn]

Joy of Satan is a dangerous joke.

In my experience I agree, they spoke to me about flowery heavenly shit and light.

You have to leave all that shit at the door.

[Amor]

Why is it necessary to worship?

In earlier times the aliens that established Sumer, bred the humans as slaves - working in workshops and worshipping

But what if the humans contained a flow of Spirit that generally was equal to that of those aliens?

Is worship a con game?

[DarkHermit]

Joy of Satan is a dangerous joke.

In my experience I agree, they spoke to me about flowery heavenly shit and light.

You have to leave all that shit at the door.

Haha I did

[DarkHermit]

Why is it necessary to worship?

In earlier times the aliens that established Sumer, bred the humans as slaves - working in workshops and worshipping

But what if the humans contained a flow of Spirit that generally was equal to that of those aliens?

Is worship a con game?

Keep talking I would like to know more, I believe that all these Gods and demons are energetic entities that have been made from human consciousness. (Egregors/Servitors) I do however like you believe in Aliens and mankind does come from them. Have you seen documentary's on the Dogan tribe in Africa?

[Amor]

I read a book about the Dogon tribe long ago - with their connections to Sirius. The "lodge on Sirius" is supposed to set the prerequisites for inner plane initiations for humans (and others?) in this solar system (and others?). They keep raising the standards.

As you recall from the Old Testament the sons of the gods took the daughters of men as their wives and the offspring were giants/heroes. We might also wonder if The Most High was a giant/titan.

We can deduce that the gods are genetically compatible with Earth humans - and perhaps continue to grow for much of their lifespan, so only the younger gods were physically compatible with human women.

Lilith, a daughter of the gods did the same with human males - but that was not acceptable to the religious of the time

Blavatsky tells us that the Lhas (spirits) originally refused incarnation in human form but later accepted the upgraded format

[DarkHermit]

I read a book about the Dogon tribe long ago - with their connections to Sirius. The "lodge on Sirius" is supposed to set the prerequisites for inner plane initiations for humans (and others?) in this solar system (and others?). They keep raising the standards.

As you recall from the Old Testament the sons of the gods took the daughters of men as their wives and the offspring were giants/heroes. We might also wonder if The Most High was a giant/titan.

We can deduce that the gods are genetically compatible with Earth humans - and perhaps continue to grow for much of their lifespan, so only the younger gods were physically compatible with human women.

Lilith, a daughter of the gods did the same with human males - but that was not acceptable to the religious of the time

Blavatsky tells us that the Lhas (spirits) originally refused incarnation in human form but later accepted the upgraded format

Interesting thank you for the share

[Amor]

... The "lodge on Sirius" is supposed to set the prerequisites for inner plane initiations for humans (and others?) in this solar system (and others?). ..

I should add that the Sirius group put a control on inner plane initiations for those on the left hand path.

Left hand path initiates are not permitted to control what Christians call the soul (the higher mental body). Thus the left hand path is very short

[DarkHermit]

... The "lodge on Sirius" is supposed to set the prerequisites for inner plane initiations for humans (and others?) in this solar system (and others?). ..

I should add that the Sirius group put a control on inner plane initiations for those on the left hand path.

Left hand path initiates are not permitted to control what Christians call the soul (the higher mental body). Thus the left hand path is very short

you may be right it is all a mystery until the day you die.

[Amor]

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you may be right it is all a mystery until the day you die.

Not my experience at all.

[DarkHermit]

...
you may be right it is all a mystery until the day you die.

Not my experience at all.

what do you mean?

[CCoburn]

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you may be right it is all a mystery until the day you die.

Not my experience at all.

what do you mean?

Some 'illusion' of experience blowing in the wind.

[CCoburn]

Illusions and delusions.

[Amor]

If only it were possible to do metaphysical experiments with an independent observer