All Words are Lies

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All Words are Lies

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This is a continuation of a different thread which went off topic! Share your thoughts on the subject.
fraterai wrote:I don't think every statement is true and false, I just don't see how we could prove this one.
The proof would go something like this:

God/Unmanifest/[your word here] = Infinite / Everything / Void / One

Every word attempts break this One into Two being [word] and [not word] (its the nature of a boundary).

Yet both sides, [word] and [not word] started from the same thing and so are, in some way, the same. If God = Everything, then any [thing] / [word] = God = [any other thing or word]. Meaning every word = any other word.

This makes any statement true (in the sense there is some perspective being communicated about reality) but also false (because the counter of it is also true) and they are all the same.

Example:

If I say I am god, this could be seen as true as all of me is connected to all of god and there's really no boundary where I begin and god ends.
If I say I am god, this could be seen as false as this illusion of an ego could be seen as not god.

Obviously it depends on how you define any of those words, , [am] or [god], but regardless of how you define them, they are still only a half truth as you're using words (constraints) to define the infinite.


Conclusion:
Every word is an illusion. When you look to the boundary of a word, when you really zoom in, its impossible to tell where the exact boundary lies. If I try to define a table, and I zoom in on the boundary little atoms make up the table and some of the electrons whiz off and others remain 'attached' to the overall structure. Was that electron that whizzed off the table? At what point does it stop becoming the table? How many electrons can whiz off before the table is no longer a table?

The boundaries of words are never solid. Any statement made with words is a partial truth, partial lie... even everything I've written here.

Why is this a useful belief? When you understand that everything is a truth and a lie, rather than worrying about if something is true or not, you can look to see HOW something is true when someone says anything at all. This allows you to learn how to speak their language to communicate messages behind words. I feel this is what Jesus' Parables, Aesop's Fables, & the Book of Lies may be getting at.

I feel it also allows fluidity of beliefs which allows you to shift and change them as they serve you. Also, it stops you from holding onto anything too tightly (even this belief) so that its easier to drop ego when needed.


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Re: All Words are Lies

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In philosophy and logic, the classical liar paradox or liar's paradox is the statement of a liar who states that they are lying: for instance, declaring that "I am lying" or "everything I say is false". If they are indeed lying, they are telling the truth, which means they are lying. In "this sentence is a lie" the paradox is strengthened in order to make it amenable to more rigorous logical analysis. It is still generally called the "liar paradox" although abstraction is made precisely from the liar themself. Trying to assign to this statement, the strengthened liar, a classical binary truth value leads to a contradiction.

If "this sentence is false" is true, then the sentence is false, but if the sentence states that it is false, and it is false, then it must be true, and so on.

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Of course, but this goes past logic because we are dealing with the infinite. All normal mathematical laws change with that, as does logic.

The op is definitely a lie, but also a truth.

From my experience, truth can't be expressed fully in words. It's beyond all construct. So believe in absolute truth, but also that anything said with a construct (words or otherwise) is only a partial truth / lie. Even this statement.

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