Obtaining talents by selling soul

[szybolot]

Hi guys.
I'm new to this forum and to the whole subject of occultism, so my question may sound a little funny or naive.
The thing is I'd like to obtain a certain artistic talent which, I think, I may be lack of or, in best scenario, is somehow "closed" or unavailable to me due to a mental or spiritual blockage.
Now, I'm really desperate and truth told I don't even believe in all this – I mean the different world or dimension that can't be seen with earthly senses. Nevertheless I consider it as my last hope - so, even doubtful, I'm willing to try (not even sure how to call this) to pact with some demonic entity or bargain my soul.
I'm not really asking you here about anything specific as I probably wouldn't even be able to comprehend your answers. The only thing I would like to know are the titles of some books that you may recommend for my case, because if I want to try my luck in this field, I really want to come to know it before I do anything serious. I've already read "Pacts with the Devil: A Chronicle of Sex, Blasphemy & Liberations" from authors Christopher S. Hyatt and S. Jason Black, which I found very interesting but not so informative for a novice like myself.
If you can think of any other great books or have any other advice for me I will be very grateful.
Thanks!

[chowderpope]

I would recommend Damon Brand's books on angel magic but those are more supportive, supplemental magics and not necessarily as hardcore as selling your soul. I wouldn't recommend trying to sell your soul or recklessly making pacts with shifty spirits as you'll likely end up with the short end of the stick. What I would really recommend is putting time and effort into whatever talent you're trying to achieve. Prince didn't just wake up one day and miraculously write Purple Rain, he developed through thousands of hours of practice and work.

[Desecrated]

Hi guys.
I'm new to this forum and to the whole subject of occultism, so my question may sound a little funny or naive.
The thing is I'd like to obtain a certain artistic talent which, I think, I may be lack of or, in best scenario, is somehow "closed" or unavailable to me due to a mental or spiritual blockage.
Now, I'm really desperate and truth told I don't even believe in all this – I mean the different world or dimension that can't be seen with earthly senses. Nevertheless I consider it as my last hope - so, even doubtful, I'm willing to try (not even sure how to call this) to pact with some demonic entity or bargain my soul.

That's not really how magic works. The whole demonic pact is a later invention from 15th century folklore. It is what some Christians believed magic was.
Now there are some late 18 century books that pretends to be devils pacts and so on, and I can link to them, but you should know that they are all fake.

What most system of magic does is to enhance the individual, but it isn't miracles. It can't make you a good singer if you are tone-deaf, and it can't make you a great dancer if you are paralyzed.

However, I have some good news for you. I worked in the music industry for about 10 years and there is absolutely no need for talent whatsoever in any media today. Some of the most popular webcomics are drawn with stickfigures, some of the most popular music sounds like a chimp banging on a laptop, some of the most popular actors can barely read a line. Talent is not a factor in today's world.
All you need to do is work harder than the next guy/girl. The ones I saw succeeding where the ones who would tour 200 days of the year, most of the time playing for almost empty rooms in place that barely had street corners. BUT, they sold a lot of t-shirts.
I knew a graphic designer who took stock photos from the internet and put it together in photoshop. The guy was rubbish. BUT, he did 2-3 projects a day and was able to get into grind-metal in south america and hiphop in europe. He made a lot of money, but was probably working 14-16 hours a day.

You don't have to sell your soul, you just have to sell your time.

[szybolot]

Thank you for your replies chowderpope and Desecrated.
What you say seems very logical to me, however it's not that easy with my desires – however silly it may sound, I have no interest in fame or money whatsoever, nor the music business for that matter.
I'm thinking more about - at least as I see it - real art, real quality. Also I really believe that everything I need is already in me, and it's more about opening these inaccessible areas. So probably my problems have more psychological background and I don't need any fake 18th century ideas - as you call them Desecrated. I'm not interested in conjuring any substance out of thin air.
Okay, so I've read your beginners book list Desecrated and already ordered "Modern Magick" as it seems a good starting point. It's even available in polish – my first language!
Do you have any other recommendations for my case? Should I just go with your list after Modern Magick?
Once again – thank you all for your time,
cheers!

[chowderpope]

That's a good idea for you to use magic to take smaller steps and open up creative channels within yourself. Magick can help with self-transformation.

[Cerber]

I find it disturbing how cheaply people are willing to part with their souls.

[szybolot]

I think you're to willing to evaluate one's situation with no information whatsoever. At least I see it as a great arrogance, and I would never be bold enough to do so knowing how many years full of everyday efforts can go fruitless.

[Cerber]

I think you're to willing to evaluate one's situation with no information whatsoever. At least I see it as a great arrogance, and I would never be bold enough to do so knowing how many years full of everyday efforts can go fruitless.

Indeed, that's why I don't even bother trying.. (might be the main reason why my entire CV neatly fit in just one page)
But I still wouldn't think of selling my soul for a mere moment of fame (yes, I know, you wrap it up nicer, more noble). Because what, just another maybe 30-40 years of this pain left in this mud, that's nothing, a drop in the ocean.

[szybolot]

So now it comes to the terms of beliefs. I can see your point - if you believe in a soul unbound from time and matter, it's perfectly reasonable to put its interests ahead of any earthly affairs. I'd like to believe in it but I don't, can't. That would make my whole effort here properly paradoxical of course, but I see it as a 'jump from a window to escape fire' situation, just stretched in time so to speak. What I try to achieve here is more about coming to believe in non-physical world, the believe, whether accurate or not, would somehow unbound me, just like, lets say, death unbounds the platonic soul. That's why getting deeper into this topic the only thing I feel I'm losing is time, the sole fuel for volatile consciousness aka immortal soul.

[chowderpope]

This has come up before in the forum, and I've never thought it's realistic to be able to bargain with your soul as currency. I think you can really harm your mind during this life by opening yourself up to wayward spirits who might pretend to buy your soul, but as far as selling your soul, I doubt it's a possibility. It's just a folkloric thing. You can, on the other hand, work with spirits to achieve certain aims, or you can work alone with magic. For spirit work, I would recommend modern grimoires like New Avatar Power or Damon Brand's stuff. Really, Brand's stuff is easier to use and less full of fluff to gloss over. And that stuff is easy for beginners. They both claim to deal with "angels" or nice energies that won't mess you up, but they still need to be respected.

[Cerber]

So now it comes to the terms of beliefs. I can see your point - if you believe in a soul unbound from time and matter, it's perfectly reasonable to put its interests ahead of any earthly affairs. I'd like to believe in it but I don't, can't.

I have memories out of this place and time, so it would be difficult for me to believe something else.

..but as far as selling your soul, I doubt it's a possibility. It's just a folkloric thing

I tend to think it might be possible, maybe just not in that simplistic way everybody imagine. I it's more like surrendering your mind, your free will, soul to somebody or something, and becoming a servant of some entity outside of this "realm" that might require a slave to do its bidding, in exchange of pie in the sky. You will take both the credits and responsibility for your (guided by some hand on the other side) achievements and "mischievements"). A human being can have a lot of uses.

[Desecrated]

Also I really believe that everything I need is already in me, and it's more about opening these inaccessible areas. So probably my problems have more psychological background and I don't need any fake 18th century ideas - as you call them Desecrated. I'm not interested in conjuring any substance out of thin air.

Okay, so I've read your beginners book list Desecrated and already ordered "Modern Magick" as it seems a good starting point. It's even available in polish – my first language!

Do you have any other recommendations for my case? Should I just go with your list after Modern Magick?
Once again – thank you all for your time,
cheers!

In most forms of magick we don't do pacts with demons to unlock what is already there. That is like using a shootgun to scratch an itch.

But I do recommend reading modern magick because it will give you a good introduction. And then Peter J carroll. If I'm not mistaken 'LIber Kaos' has been translated to polish, and I think Morgana Sythove have translated one of her books to polish as well.
You'll probably recognize some of the roman Catholic elements in 'modern magick' and I'm sure you can find some interesting books about the roman rites and exorcism in your local bazars. Last time I was in Warszawa I was chasing a good balalaika but I remember seeing more than one stand with old and weird books

[Desecrated]

I find it disturbing how cheaply people are willing to part with their souls.

I find it disturbing how hard it is to get rid of it.

[darktruth77]

If you want you can pray to Satan, Devil and ask luck, help, guidance to magic, so you can spread his kingdom upon earth/glorify his name etc
Also you can try to invoke a demon and make a deal/pact with him
I haven't done it (at least not yet ) but I know stories of other people who did it successfully.

I don't know if you can sell your soul, or if soul is something that it can be sold. But I think you can do something like pact or you can give Satan your vital energy in exchange for what you want and maybe this will make you exhausted.
But I am still searching for the truth(not only for magic but also for reality and spiritual things) ... After all its difficult to find a real, powerful grimoire or magic book

[darktruth77]

Anyway I don't know how safe it is. If someone has tried something with success, he can advise you better.

[Irreverence]

DON'T make a pact with any malevolent entity. My female friend used my woods for occult purposes (I inherited a massive amount of woodlands). She came out in conniptions and mumbling unintelligible words. She hasn't been right since. Her sister, who has no occult background and doesn't know of my friend's occult dealings, says she stiill isn't right to this day. I tried getting information from her and all I got was something about a faery star and Lucifuge Rofacale. Now I'm stuck with a horrific noise emanating from my woods, which is highly enraging becuase I'm an avid huntsman. I actually asked for help on this forum once before on a different (long lost) profile. Desecrated and, I believe, ChowderPope actually helped give me advice in that instance.