We are not meant to know.

[Cerber]

Im not denying that people can believe their own truth. Im denying that they can know the real truth. You are free to believe what suits you, and you truly can do what you will. I totally support your discovery of self.

As far as challenging the God(s), im going to have to stand by my assertion.. No one is as strong and righteous as they want to believe they are.

You are right, that's why no one does it alone. Or else it would be not very exciting day to witness. At least I wouldn't think anyone would be wasteful enough to throw him self in front of the harvester believing it will make a dent big enough for anybody to notice.

[Desecrated]

Im not denying that people can believe their own truth. Im denying that they can know the real truth.

Why?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Cerber said : "Unless it's for experience it self."

I can't remember which thread I said it in here already...

But that *is* the meaning of existence...

*Existence for the experience of itself"

However , I don't think you quite understood what I meant ,
or admittedly I might not have phrased it in a way to help
you understand...my bad... [wink]

So , I believe , not just me , but all of us are ultimately on the path ,
through many cycles of lifetimes , until we do know all there is to know ,
becoming one with the "truth" against all odds and all resistance , and
restriction , then individualizing again , as gods to create our own universes...

At that point , we don't have to take anything with us , because we will
be creating it all , including all life forms , from scratch...

Funny enough ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Old_Scratch )

Now we can open portals while we are here in this physical realm , to
other dimensions , and hold them open long enough for others who come
after us in terms of "time"...that has been done by many , some of whom
have left physical evidence of gateways...

Though that has been argued , and will be , by those who do not believe
we have that potential , or have done it... [cool]

All this , is knowledge for the sake of itself , within existence for the sake
of itself , as a self perpetuating system...thus , as I said...a long chain of gods...

Hope that helps in understanding my position...

[Cerber]

Thank you for explaining your perception of the matter. I'll try to explain mine now, for the sake of fair trade, but it might take a while [stare]

[Cerber]

uh why do things always take at least 5 times longer than initially expected. [bummed]
Anyway, I always believed one picture worth thousand words, so there you go, I made one for you, my perspective:
(so which "level" God you are aiming to be?)

[inMalkuth]

Im not denying that people can believe their own truth. Im denying that they can know the real truth.

Why?

Because they haent passed out of this body yet.

[Cerber]

Im not denying that people can believe their own truth. Im denying that they can know the real truth.

Why?

Because they haent passed out of this body yet.

How many bodies one must pass to qualify then?

[Desecrated]

Im not denying that people can believe their own truth. Im denying that they can know the real truth.

Why?

Because they haent passed out of this body yet.

Why is a physical form a determent to knowledge?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Well , you might find this "aside statement" interesting...

I only played one video game in my life..."Pong" , in the 1970's...

However : as per your question :

"(so which "level" God you are aiming to be?)"

I would not limit myself to those choices , as I would , and will be more than all combined...

Won't you ?

Yet , to play your game with you , a god would most certainly encompass and surpass , level 4 + X

[Cerber]

Well , you might find this "aside statement" interesting...

I only played one video game in my life..."Pong" , in the 1970's...

However : as per your question :

"(so which "level" God you are aiming to be?)"

I would not limit myself to those choices , as I would , and will be more than all combined...

Won't you ?

Yet , to play your game with you , a god would most certainly encompass and surpass , level 4 + X

You can call those constructs, paradigms, planes or whatever else you can come up with, if "level" sounds too immature for you.
I have only couple points:
We have seen only up to that "level 4". (I've tried imagining beyond it, but my mind reached it limits)
We've seen there is no real direct communication between those of galactic scale and our "level".
There for, the concept you are following did not originate from that plane or beyond it, I would dare to argue.
There for, your source must be somewhere nearby, logical assumption, although I understand it must sound outrageous.
How can somebody who never escaped show you the way out and tell you where it leads?
Do you really believe you can possibly jump and skip all those mountains in one go? Do you know anybody who did this? I mean you have got to have a reference point of some sort, no matter how tiny or vague.

My concept at least somewhat remotely follows the "physics" and laws of nature we are actually can observe. You can easily find aspects of the grand scale (be it just theoretical, for the sake political correctness), manifesting holographically in to our small scale reality, by design or by accident.
Regretfully, I'm forced to conclude that I'm standing on a firmer ground. At least for now. But you got me dreaming there for a moment [cry]

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Faery Otherworld and Mirror Universe

As a native elder said : "Spirits Grabbed You"...

You ever see raven turn white , sun turn black ?

Read up on what that means...

http://www.paganspace.net/forum/topics/ ... -black-sun

I believe I posted this before...but maybe you did not fully
read through it , AND all the links...

And that is only a *very* small part of the picture...

http://www.paganspace.net/forum/topics/ ... multiverse

[Cerber]

And that is only a *very* small part of the picture...

It truly is. Universe is huge and full of wonder.
I've seen places you people wouldn't believe..
Places of extraordinary beauty.. Places where a thought is heavier than matter.. Places where there is no matter.. And places where there is no thought.. Places where life is celebrated every moment with every breath.. And places where one breath of death span throughout eternity..
And you are telling me it's all just a figment of my imagination? That hurts my feeling [crymore] And I thought we were friends, man [cry]
And when I ask you to show me the truth, you give me books to read? That hurts, man [crymore] so much pain [crymore]

[Cerber]

Oh, I forgot the important part. If you'll ever see a portal, do NOT approach it, move away from it slowly, just for the love of God do NOT enter. Those are just pure evil, light emanating from inside of it is just poor souls being shredded, thorn apart. [rolleyes]

[inMalkuth]

uh why do things always take at least 5 times longer than initially expected. [bummed]
Anyway, I always believed one picture worth thousand words, so there you go, I made one for you, my perspective:
(so which "level" God you are aiming to be?)

Funny... I dont see anyone here that displays mastery of any level of the Divine points on this map.

[Cerber]

Funny... I dont see anyone here that displays mastery of any level of the Divine points on this map.

meh what?

[Desecrated]

Funny... I dont see anyone here that displays mastery of any level of the Divine points on this map.

Of course not. Did you really think that somebody who had reached that level would be sitting on the internet?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Cerber said :

"I've seen places you people wouldn't believe..
Places of extraordinary beauty.. Places where a thought is heavier than matter.. Places where there is no matter.. And places where there is no thought.. Places where life is celebrated every moment with every breath.. And places where one breath of death span throughout eternity..."

Yeah...I remember...1974...50 hits of 4 way clearlight from Owsley...200 hits of pure LSD...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley

I saw all that and more...both from that , and internal astral travel since...

Don't think you are the only one... [wink]

[Cerber]

We are having fun exchanging stuff here with no real intention to change each others bearing. But I still want to give you one serious advise, it would be great if you remember it, that lesson did cost many lives. When you enter your portal and if you feel it's not going right way, make sure sure you hold on to somebody, not something, because all you know all your experience knowledge and understandings will be utterly worthless if you get your self stranded alone on some island deep inside satan's rectum with your mind shredded in to consistency of minced pork. Well unless you are planning to go alone, in that case it was nice knowing you, I did enjoy our brief time together arguing about Orion belts. I will tell your family you loved them very much to the very last breath. [cry]

[Shawn Blackwolf]

There are many who have opened portals , gone through , and come back...

Your fear , whether created by yourself , books you have read , advice you
have heard and believe from others , does not disqualify my or others experience
who have been doing this since long before what scientists have considered humans
existing on this planet...

It is commonly done in the Petro tradition , in Voudoo...( or Voodoo )

One thing you can reach for if you find yourself falling too quickly into the descending
chaos fractal , is a branch of light coming out from the side...

As this is all within the vast consciousness , and we know the language we are wired with ,
we know that is truly a waveform we know as the rune Kaen , today known as Kaenaz ,
which is found in one arrangement of two columns of eight , across from the rune meaning
phase shifting , and marriage heaven / earth , yet in our Tree arrangement , across from
the wave rune , at the lowest level of the Tree , being the Realm Of The Ancestors , below
the Underworld...

You will see through the years , my friend , the necessity of going where others have not gone before ,
with no fear , or programming of some "satan" or monster ready to gobble you up...

I left all those types of mental paradigms and programs behind , long ago , and as others like me ,
have explored other dimensions through portals , with no problem...

No Sin , No Guilt , No Fear...words to live by... [wink]

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Desecrated said : "Of course not. Did you really think that somebody who had reached that level would be sitting on the internet?"

Desecrated , I have read your posts , and like you , and the way you think... [thumbup]

We are definitely different , but here I respectfully ask , in a vein you may appreciate :

"Why Not" ?

... [wink] ...

[Cerber]

Oh dear, Shawn Blackwolf, you should have told me straight away you're preparing for the "shoot the the moon and beyond", now I've spend two days mumbling about orion belts and whatever. God's speed to you! [yay]

[Shawn Blackwolf]

"I don't know where your belt is , Orion...Where did you leave it last" ?

"Guess you are not meant to know"

[inMalkuth]

Yes, yes: everyone here is a time travelling, portal hopping, chaos riding, demon slaying master magus bound for the destiny of Godhood. Now why dont you try typing words worth sharing with everyone?

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Gee which side of the cranky bed did you get up on ?

Get over your need to control...once you start a thread , it has a life of it's own...

So , why don't you try typing words respectful of the opinions , experiences , and information of others ?

[Cerber]

Sorry guys, I lost all interest in our game here.