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[Shawn Blackwolf]

As far as chaos...chaos contains order , order emanates from chaos , and
deconstructs back into chaos , as fractal equations , and cycles upon cycles...

[CCoburn]

As far as chaos...chaos contains order , order emanates from chaos , and
deconstructs back into chaos , as fractal equations , and cycles upon cycles...

It's funny...In my last post I was going to say that Gods come from Chaos and Order comes from Gods.

Cycles upon cycles. Yes indeed.

[CCoburn]

Technically though, and it should be rather obvious that there are finite linear time sequences contained within recursive process. Such as the Universe, being finite and linear as part of an eternal cyclical process at the outermost layer. So it's a little bit of a mix with the cyclical processes and the linear ones.

[Inundate]

I have been over subjects like this the past decade because some of you are losing it. That is not okay for the rest of us that are skilled yet are humiliated by this lack of grey matter fortitude of people who believe they exist. It does not make sense to make everyone else suffer because of this stupidity.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

And as I was talking to the quantum physicist , Brian Greene about multidimensional reality ,
and possibility factors , there are bleedovers between dimensions...at the very least , the
possibilities...

To think less than that is stupid... [wink]

You did not mention, nor defend anything specific. What you said was ambiguous.

It could relate to energy, chi lifeforce... as examples.

So, to restate the dangerous people thing. When people set limits, these are their personal and spiritual boundaries. They exist because auras, wei chi fields and self-preservation all exist... Also is developed over time.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Actually what I posted , by narrowing your quote was in direct reference to your attack
on belief in werewolves or , as you further stated , "subjects like this"...

I did think you were intelligent enough to make that connection...sorry I was wrong...

And yet , yes , my statement could be applied to more , as a wider sphere of possibility...

I agree we must define our personal boundaries for our comfortability factor , as it is
by doing so we are able to work within certain parameters , as we experience and integrate
the amount of information each of us , individually , is able to "endure"...

However , defining that for others , and calling them stupid , for being open to a larger
field of possibility , does not serve anyone , as all is an experience and feedback loop unto
itself , from an original point , for "It Self To Know It Self"...

To deny "It Self" the experience of all possibility , is to deny one's individual self , as we are
all expressions of "It Self"...

[Shawn Blackwolf]

Technically though, and it should be rather obvious that there are finite linear time sequences contained within recursive process. Such as the Universe, being finite and linear as part of an eternal cyclical process at the outermost layer. So it's a little bit of a mix with the cyclical processes and the linear ones.

Pages In The Book Of Time And Experience , and Cycles Upon Cycles...

( click on image )

[violetstar]

Innundate, regarding your label of those who discuss chaos as dangerous people due to the reason of entropy:

Are you familiar with the Greek etymology of the word, chaos? Our English word comes from "khaos" which the Oxford dictionary defines as "the formless matter supposed to have existed before the creation of the universe" and "the first created being, from which came the primeval deities Gaia, Tartarus, Erebus, and Nyx". I suppose it's the Anglo's hatred of Greek paganism in the middle ages that brought the term "chaos" into it's negative meaning that it now has, but it's actually a very beautiful term for the origin of creation. The opposite of death, really!

Most chaos magickians I know regard the Greek etymology as their working definition when talking about "chaos" magick. So perhaps keep that in mind and rethink your position on those of us who use this term to describe our practice.

What are your sources for " I suppose it's the Anglo's hatred of Greek paganism in the middle ages .." ?

Who are "Most chaos magickians I know regard the Greek etymology as their working definition when talking about "chaos" magick" ?
The main practioners of this system,Hine,Carroll and Sherwin draw on Crowley,Spare,and the Goetic literature.

χάος is originally taken as "gaping void," from Greek khaos "abyss, that which gapes wide open, is vast and empty," from *khnwos, from PIE root *gheu- "to gape, yawn" and the source also of Greek khaino "I yawn," Old English ginian, Old Norse ginnunga-gap.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=chaos

The mythology you show is taken from Hesiod .For Hesiod, Chaos, like Tartarus, though personified enough to have borne children, was also a place, far away, underground and "gloomy.Some,scholars dispute the meaning of the primordial deities in the poems of Homer and Hesiod.Since the primordials give birth to the Titans, and the Titans give birth to the Olympians, one way of interpreting the primordial gods is as the deepest and most fundamental nature of the cosmos.

For example, Jenny Strauss Clay argues that Homer's poetic vision centers on the reign of Zeus, but that Hesiod's vision of the primordials put Zeus and the Olympians in context.Likewise, Vernant argues that the Olympic pantheon is a "system of classification, a particular way of ordering and conceptualizing the universe by distinguishing within it various types of powers and forces." But even before the Olympic pantheon were the Titans and primordial gods. Homer alludes to a more tumultuous past before Zeus was the undisputed King and Father.

Mitchell Miller argues that the first four primordial deities arise in a highly significant relationship. He argues that Chaos represents differentiation, since Chaos differentiates (separates, divides) Tartarus and Earth.Even though Chaos is "first of all" for Hesiod, Miller argues that Tartarus represents the primacy of the undifferentiated, or the unlimited. Since undifferentiation is unthinkable, Chaos is the "first of all" in that he is the first thinkable being. In this way, Chaos (the principle of division) is the natural opposite of Eros (the principle of unification). Earth (light, day, waking, life) is the natural opposite of Tartarus (darkness, night, sleep, death).

The medieval Vulgate translations of Genesis are responsible for theological use of chaos for "the void at the beginning of creation" (1530s in English).

[Desecrated]

Werewolves do not exist, because just like vampires they are made up. It doesnot give you any extra bonuses or anything. But if you just believe in what you are doing, ironically it is far better than any stupid fantasy.

Explaining why werewolves are fiction is a bit like explaining why dihydrogen monoxide is not dangerous. Either you know, or you do not. There just happens to be no inbetween. I have been over subjects like this the past decade because some of you are losing it. That is not okay for the rest of us that are skilled yet are humiliated by this lack of grey matter fortitude of people who believe they exist. It does not make sense to make everyone else suffer because of this stupidity.

Can you prove that?
I'm not interested in your opinion, I want to see your proof.

[Desecrated]

explaining why dihydrogen monoxide is not dangerous. Either you know, or you do not.

2015 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 994.1
Drowning and nonfatal submersion

ICD-9-CM 994.1 is a billable medical code that can be used to indicate a diagnosis on a reimbursement claim, however, 994.1 should only be used for claims with a date of service on or before September 30, 2015. For claims with a date of service on or after October 1, 2015, use an equivalent ICD-10-CM code (or codes).

Convert to ICD-10-CM: 994.1 converts approximately to:

2015/16 ICD-10-CM T75.1XXA Unspecified effects of drowning and nonfatal submersion, initial encounter

Approximate Synonyms

Drowning
Drowning (event)
Near drowning
Nonfatal submersion

Applies To

Bathing cramp
Immersion

ICD-9-CM Volume 2 Index entries containing back-references to 994.1:

Anoxia 799.02
due to drowning 994.1
Asphyxia, asphyxiation (by) 799.01
drowning 994.1
submersion 994.1
Bathing cramp 994.1
Cramp(s) 729.82
bathing 994.1
due to immersion 994.1
immersion 994.1
muscle (extremity) (general) 729.82
due to immersion 994.1
hysterical 300.11
Drowned, drowning (near) 994.1
lung 518.52
Edema, edematous 782.3
lung 514
acute 518.4
with heart disease or failure (see also Failure, ventricular, left) 428.1
congestive 428.0
chemical (due to fumes or vapors) 506.1
due to
external agent(s) NEC 508.9
specified NEC 508.8
fumes and vapors (chemical) (inhalation) 506.1
radiation 508.0
chemical (acute) 506.1
chronic 506.4
chronic 514
chemical (due to fumes or vapors) 506.4
due to
external agent(s) NEC 508.9
specified NEC 508.8
fumes or vapors (chemical) (inhalation) 506.4
radiation 508.1
due to
external agent 508.9
specified NEC 508.8
high altitude 993.2
near drowning 994.1
postoperative 518.4
terminal 514
Effect, adverse NEC
submersion 994.1
Immersion 994.1
foot 991.4
hand 991.4
Near drowning 994.1
Submersion (fatal) (nonfatal) 994.1
Suffocation (see also Asphyxia) 799.01
by
bed clothes 994.7
bunny bag 994.7
cave-in 994.7
constriction 994.7
drowning 994.1
inhalation
food or foreign body (see also Asphyxia, food or foreign body) 933.1
oil or gasoline (see also Asphyxia, food or foreign body) 933.1
overlying 994.7
plastic bag 994.7
pressure 994.7
strangulation 994.7

[Inundate]

I will quit wasting my time here then. No, I have more experience than angry teens.

The stupidity of all the aforementioned things is beneath me. I am not going to waste more of my precious time.

[Cerber]

Thank you. That would be most kind of you.

[Shawn Blackwolf]

I will quit wasting my time here then. No, I have more experience than angry teens.

The stupidity of all the aforementioned things is beneath me. I am not going to waste more of my precious time.

Thank you for making a 63 year old , well experienced initiate feel young again...

And no , I am not beneath you...though I only choose females , I am a top , not bottom...

However , you have shown yourself to act like quite an ass , with your arrogance , and bigoted views and posts...

Good fortune finding asses like yourself , as that was apparently your original intent from your first intro post...

There could have been communication , and conversation , if your original phraseology was better worded , and
your behavior was that of one who truly wanted friends...

However , I wish you well...may your journey lead you to become a more loving human being again... [thumbup]

[Stukov]

Yall need to calm down. Thread locked for a bit so everyone can cool off.

Civil discussion and debate are acceptable forms of communications. Insulting each other is not. If this kind of behavior continues, not just agitators will receive warnings, but also those who respond to them in kind.