A new Tree of Life

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A new Tree of Life

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Hi. Well, after deliberating on the classic tree for about 20 years, and climbing my way up to Wisdom, and considering the lower animal nature, and how we are supposed to transcend it- I realized that the entire tree is flawed. The current tree is based upon an animal nature, and it doesnt attain to a Wisdom that portrays a level of humanity that we have declared to be more in line with knowledge and reason. Therefor I am making the following adjustments:

Strength will now be known as endurance

Victory will now be known as success

Splendor will now be known as gratitude

thank you.

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I believe that somewhere in the past, our wise leaders decided that there is a difference between what Man must do, and what Man should do. It is because of this compromise that we have the blood spilled on our soils, and families going without shelter and food and water. This fundamental faith needs to change.

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Honestly, I'm not that found of the the kabbalah and tree of life in general. I don't find it very helpful. I guess it was supposed to be some Jewish framework for spirits/esoteric stuff that the Golden Dawn borrowed for its own imbalanced usage. I know Dion Fortune and Allister Crowley were really into it. But, as for me, I think of it as mucky muck left over from last century. Sure, I'm sure some people find it really good, that you can put experience on some kind of chart or map, and I know what the heck it is, but in all honesty, I find it to be useless.
Part of this I guess is I'm not into vague ideas like ascension, and I just want practical things to make my life better.

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Those terms are not meant in the mundane, secular sense. They refer to trans mutative states of being, often "alchemical" laws of creation. I would be hesitant to just change up the system, (although I guess whatever works for you?), 20 years doesn't necessarily suggest you have advanced in any direction depending, if you understand the nuances of rising on the planes, of polarity and the need for grounding as well as objective introspection (which has been sort of discouraged these days), and considering the subjective paths vs. the Sephiroth which are the same for you as they are for me. This is not meant to be a dig I'm just trying to show you that there is ALOT to consider before just dumping and re-working, I have been at it many years too but that doesn't mean I haven't been blocked before by myself or even by the laws that govern BEING. First you have to assimilate and master the astral reflections which are often illusions designed to trick you into a false sense of advancement, the ego rears its head and you are knocked back down, it is much more subtle than we often realize.

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Frater S.E. wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:19 pm
Those terms are not meant in the mundane, secular sense. They refer to trans mutative states of being, often "alchemical" laws of creation. I would be hesitant to just change up the system, (although I guess whatever works for you?), 20 years doesn't necessarily suggest you have advanced in any direction depending, if you understand the nuances of rising on the planes, of polarity and the need for grounding as well as objective introspection (which has been sort of discouraged these days), and considering the subjective paths vs. the Sephiroth which are the same for you as they are for me. This is not meant to be a dig I'm just trying to show you that there is ALOT to consider before just dumping and re-working, I have been at it many years too but that doesn't mean I haven't been blocked before by myself or even by the laws that govern BEING. First you have to assimilate and master the astral reflections which are often illusions designed to trick you into a false sense of advancement, the ego rears its head and you are knocked back down, it is much more subtle than we often realize.

KHABS AM PEHKT!
The original post is what happens when one has diarrhea of the mouth combined with a mere superficial foundation/framework from which to draw from.

Currently, I do not see the above summary as being hypocritical on my part.

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I prefer the 3D redering of the ten sephroth as described in the Sepher Yetsirah. The latter is usually translated as Book of Formation/Creation, but you can also render it as Manual of Shaping. The names along the 2D "Tree" of Life- and there is more than one kind of Tree, and more than one way to name the sephirot, at least as far as the variations in the literature are concerned. The Tree of the Fall that is popular isn't even the oldest version of the 2D Tree, just one I think popularized by Isaak Luria in the 16th century.

Here are some examples of "Trees": http://www.workofthechariot.com/TextFil ... ction.html Just click on the left-hand column (although the sephirot are the Zoharic names, the geometries vary depending on what one is doing.

I like the 3D version, however, because it represents a depiction of the Divine Throne and surrounding environs. You can use it as a template of esoteric cultivation. Problem is the text has undergone so much editing that the cultivation aspect is hard to validate, unless you look at a certain exercise done by A. Peter Hayman who reconstructed the earliest available text by filtering out the additions (comparing the available variants). Anyhoo, I've been working with this as a manual of alchemy, point being that a successful esoteric map can lend itself to a variety of conceptual applications, excessive verbal expressions notwithstanding. I don't think its anything to write home about, unless you can blow people away with what you did with the new conception.

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Although the common schematics are in two dimensions which makes sense since it's most straightforward way to relay this information given a two dimensional medium. I always visualize the process in three dimensions. Plus I have been associating micro and macrocosmic time as variants of a fourth dimension. Change without, simply put : the omnipresent God, and time within as microcosmic consciousness, i.e. time/change within as a passing of moments.

There always is, and always will be, more.

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Plus other less common dimensions that fit the criteria - not sure the best way to define it at the moment, but you know, global parameters that contain measurement such as 'feeling'. So the spatial dimensions along with 'time' are measurable.

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The conscious spirit aspect of the tree would be an extra dimension above the three which I suppose would be a superset that includes 'feeling', i.e. dimensions within dimensions. Although the measurement of such is a bit more abstract.

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Right. But other than space and time, unless you go for abstract diagrams where any variable is spatialized, that can get confusing I think. I read somewhere that two dimensional depictions became popular during the advent of Christianity and Islam when statues were prohibited.

Interestingly the first three of the ten sephirot are states of energy/consciousness that have no spatial parallels aside from being at the center of the other six, with the fourth being at the center holding the rest (kown as the "inner court"). The outer court are designated by their positions: top, down, east (front), west (back) etc. The central position is more ambiguous, but still called a kernel or seed.

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Omnicentrik wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:33 pm
Right. But other than space and time, unless you go for abstract diagrams where any variable is spatialized, that can get confusing I think. I read somewhere that two dimensional depictions became popular during the advent of Christianity and Islam when statues were prohibited.

Interestingly the first three of the ten sephirot are states of energy/consciousness that have no spatial parallels aside from being at the center of the other six, with the fourth being at the center holding the rest (known as the "inner court"). The outer court are designated by their positions: top, down, east (front), west (back) etc. The central position is more ambiguous, but still called a kernel or seed.
Hope you don't mind but I'd like to move the above comment to a new thread and call it Tree Of Life, or, Qabalah/Kabbalah so as to separate myself from that silly intro which undermines the integrity of the thread to a degree.

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That's cool. I thought about it myself when I saw I was somewhat veering off topic, but...lazy. I agree. No offense to the original poster, but I find it baseless as well.

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