Original post: JX23
[QUOTE=Gala;264221]I have read some of this thread but I would like to throw in my experience of the Joy of Satan. Having been a member of the site when I first questioned Christianity I found that it seemed many people were being brainwashed. They saw what they thought must be the total and utter opposite to Christianity (which they learnt to hate) and proceeded to see the leaders as the givers of all truth and knowledge. Nobody on the groups ever questioned those who ran it, and when I did, I was censored and eventually left the group out of disgust. They preach things which I find disturbing, and the attitude of many individuals is questionable. I would not tell anyone to go there for information. With enough digging I eventually found a site ran by the same people, which denounced Judaism and declared itself racist (and Nazi). If I can find it again, I will link it for you all.
(hello, I am new by the way)[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the forums Gala.
the url 666blacksun.com
I remeber that site, its clearly run by racist pieces of shit and harbours nothing relevant about Satanism or any LHP current for spiritual or other means. do some exploring and you'll find tons of dillusional anti-semetic paranoia/propaganda...
If anyone even thinks of posting a reply to supporting these ingrates, die... suck on a tail pipe.... eat contact cement... buy a gun... just kill yourself.
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Original post: Lord Liber
I agree with Eradark's comments about the fact that, if one is anti-Christian, one simply MUST be at least equally anti-Judaic, religiously speaking. If the Jews tie race and religion together so inextricably, then tough shit for them. There are pros and cons to every policy. I'm sick of the taboo, I'm sick of the Holocaust being used as an excuse for racial preferentialism when millions many more non-Jews died in WWII, under Stalin, in the Chinese cultural revolution, etc.
I'm so over Jehovah.
But two facts mentioned in the "racism in Satanism" thread are relevant to this:
1. Etymologically, "Satan" is a very thoroughly Jewish name. Before spurious attempts are made to deny this with creative writing, ijust admit it, it is. The first written instance occurs in the old testament. So J.O.S. have named themselves after a Jewish character. So very elite? Very very very elite?
2. The most evil and demonic and magically effective extant systems of occutism are not Aryan (which has none left thanks to Mr. Christ, the Jewish Messiah), but African, Asian, and Oceanic. Yes, these systems work even for Aryans. You may be shocked by the results, and they don't make sense, but they fucking work. Only these cultures have maintained their indigenous shamanic traditions, totally demonic deities, sex magic, and all, in the face of Christianity, which has without exception conquered the inner life of the Western world.
So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.
I agree with Eradark's comments about the fact that, if one is anti-Christian, one simply MUST be at least equally anti-Judaic, religiously speaking. If the Jews tie race and religion together so inextricably, then tough shit for them. There are pros and cons to every policy. I'm sick of the taboo, I'm sick of the Holocaust being used as an excuse for racial preferentialism when millions many more non-Jews died in WWII, under Stalin, in the Chinese cultural revolution, etc.
I'm so over Jehovah.
But two facts mentioned in the "racism in Satanism" thread are relevant to this:
1. Etymologically, "Satan" is a very thoroughly Jewish name. Before spurious attempts are made to deny this with creative writing, ijust admit it, it is. The first written instance occurs in the old testament. So J.O.S. have named themselves after a Jewish character. So very elite? Very very very elite?
2. The most evil and demonic and magically effective extant systems of occutism are not Aryan (which has none left thanks to Mr. Christ, the Jewish Messiah), but African, Asian, and Oceanic. Yes, these systems work even for Aryans. You may be shocked by the results, and they don't make sense, but they fucking work. Only these cultures have maintained their indigenous shamanic traditions, totally demonic deities, sex magic, and all, in the face of Christianity, which has without exception conquered the inner life of the Western world.
So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.
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Original post: m1thr0s
[quote]So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.[/quote][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/I]
Yes, it is...and will quite obviously continue to be...
This is good thing actually...Satanism has enough mediocre minds latched onto it already...
Congratulations on your clever exemption!
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[quote]So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.[/quote][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/I]
Yes, it is...and will quite obviously continue to be...
This is good thing actually...Satanism has enough mediocre minds latched onto it already...
Congratulations on your clever exemption!
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Original post: Lusus Naturae
Hello all,
Interesting thread. I wish I had the patience to read every single post. What a wonderful hodge podge of fact, flaming and conniving, as well as convincing, conjecture. I have heard the arguments for and against JOS on at least one prior occasion and have to agree with a number of their hypotheses.
1) That Satan is the Father. As in the Father of Creation and co-progenitor of humanity. See the Lovers Tarot.
2) Satan is also know as Enki / Ea, in antediluvian mythology.
3) Nazism has its good and bad points. Domestic (inner) purity, not racial, should have been the inspiring impetus. Perhaps it was intended to be before the hierarchy was hijacked by the momentum of conflict and chaos.
It's often difficult to identify what is true from what is false, but with patience and a desire to cultivate inner understanding; tranquilty one can come to discern the essential darkness. If I may, I would like to quote a Christian scripture to support the accuracy of my premise without prejudice for or against said institution. I certainly hope this doesn't upset anyone.
On a closing note, I'm no one special and don't claim to have any special information regarding anything in particular. I'm just an unemployed bum who drinks too much and has had, what I think have been, insights with regard to the true nature of reality. My entire motivation for offering an opinion is to show that I can and that everyone's opinion [should keyword] be accepted without hostility. Respond as opposed to React is the correct mindset I believe.
Regards Friends.
Hello all,
Interesting thread. I wish I had the patience to read every single post. What a wonderful hodge podge of fact, flaming and conniving, as well as convincing, conjecture. I have heard the arguments for and against JOS on at least one prior occasion and have to agree with a number of their hypotheses.
1) That Satan is the Father. As in the Father of Creation and co-progenitor of humanity. See the Lovers Tarot.
2) Satan is also know as Enki / Ea, in antediluvian mythology.
3) Nazism has its good and bad points. Domestic (inner) purity, not racial, should have been the inspiring impetus. Perhaps it was intended to be before the hierarchy was hijacked by the momentum of conflict and chaos.
It's often difficult to identify what is true from what is false, but with patience and a desire to cultivate inner understanding; tranquilty one can come to discern the essential darkness. If I may, I would like to quote a Christian scripture to support the accuracy of my premise without prejudice for or against said institution. I certainly hope this doesn't upset anyone.
While the above quote doesn't address how insight is achieved behaviorally, it does, in fact, say it will occur. The way to this understanding is through sincere application of will. Unfettered by the common combative or antagonistic behavior associated with the herd.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13
On a closing note, I'm no one special and don't claim to have any special information regarding anything in particular. I'm just an unemployed bum who drinks too much and has had, what I think have been, insights with regard to the true nature of reality. My entire motivation for offering an opinion is to show that I can and that everyone's opinion [should keyword] be accepted without hostility. Respond as opposed to React is the correct mindset I believe.
Regards Friends.
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Original post: silentone
From what I've read of the JoS site, the woman seems to be all over the place without really knowing what she is. Perhaps she's a chaos magician pulling the proverbial wool over the heads of her followers...and detractors.
Nah, but to be serious, why is there a huge argument here over the validity or lack thereof of their teachings? Call me crazy, but most people tend to ignore satanic cults and their 16 year old alienated teen members.
Just my $0.02
From what I've read of the JoS site, the woman seems to be all over the place without really knowing what she is. Perhaps she's a chaos magician pulling the proverbial wool over the heads of her followers...and detractors.
Nah, but to be serious, why is there a huge argument here over the validity or lack thereof of their teachings? Call me crazy, but most people tend to ignore satanic cults and their 16 year old alienated teen members.
Just my $0.02
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Original post: Lusus Naturae
[QUOTE=silentone;265128]From what I've read of the JoS site, the woman seems to be all over the place without really knowing what she is. Perhaps she's a chaos magician pulling the proverbial wool over the heads of her followers...and detractors.
Nah, but to be serious, why is there a huge argument here over the validity or lack thereof of their teachings? Call me crazy, but most people tend to ignore satanic cults and their 16 year old alienated teen members.
Just my $0.02[/QUOTE]
#37 - Do the LBRP more. It's never enough.
That is sage advice...Wish I could do it without freaking out the neighbors
[QUOTE=silentone;265128]From what I've read of the JoS site, the woman seems to be all over the place without really knowing what she is. Perhaps she's a chaos magician pulling the proverbial wool over the heads of her followers...and detractors.
Nah, but to be serious, why is there a huge argument here over the validity or lack thereof of their teachings? Call me crazy, but most people tend to ignore satanic cults and their 16 year old alienated teen members.
Just my $0.02[/QUOTE]
#37 - Do the LBRP more. It's never enough.
That is sage advice...Wish I could do it without freaking out the neighbors
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Original post: hendo555666
Haha!!^^Im staying at an Naval academy just now, i had a room mate to start with and id practise LBRP while he was in the room, i think it freaked him out a bit. Now he's gone, my mates in the room next to me insist on knocking on the door when they hear me!Tis rather annoying!
Haha!!^^Im staying at an Naval academy just now, i had a room mate to start with and id practise LBRP while he was in the room, i think it freaked him out a bit. Now he's gone, my mates in the room next to me insist on knocking on the door when they hear me!Tis rather annoying!
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Original post: Lord Liber
[QUOTE=m1thr0s;265068]
Yes, it is...and will quite obviously continue to be...
This is good thing actually...Satanism has enough mediocre minds latched onto it already...
Congratulations on your clever exemption!
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"Mediocre"? That's being a bit generous, isn't it, if this is the most persuasive argument which Racist Satanist no.1 can put forth to articulate his Superiority, racial or otherwise, before all Makind?
If people really need "Satan", and ADDITIONALLY, need to be ariosophically antisemitic, and between the two, fail to see how utterly incongruous worshipping a Jewish entity like Satan is with being antisemitic, then "mediocrity" does not do justice to the level of intellectual rigour involved. Perhaps "cabbage" comes nearer the mark.
[QUOTE=m1thr0s;265068]
Yes, it is...and will quite obviously continue to be...
This is good thing actually...Satanism has enough mediocre minds latched onto it already...
Congratulations on your clever exemption!
m1thr0s
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"Mediocre"? That's being a bit generous, isn't it, if this is the most persuasive argument which Racist Satanist no.1 can put forth to articulate his Superiority, racial or otherwise, before all Makind?
If people really need "Satan", and ADDITIONALLY, need to be ariosophically antisemitic, and between the two, fail to see how utterly incongruous worshipping a Jewish entity like Satan is with being antisemitic, then "mediocrity" does not do justice to the level of intellectual rigour involved. Perhaps "cabbage" comes nearer the mark.
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Original post: High Priest Enki
it's not really their fault though, it's maxines fault, when they started it was with the right ideas, sumerian gods, meditations, the moment she became popular she lost her marbles and enveloped them with their nonsensical ideas, it really is a pity, once people start following something then the contradictions become invisible to them, fortunately a lot of the JOS members are leaving now as it is becoming clear maxine and the rest have lost their minds.
it's not really their fault though, it's maxines fault, when they started it was with the right ideas, sumerian gods, meditations, the moment she became popular she lost her marbles and enveloped them with their nonsensical ideas, it really is a pity, once people start following something then the contradictions become invisible to them, fortunately a lot of the JOS members are leaving now as it is becoming clear maxine and the rest have lost their minds.
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Original post: videosage
I like the Mexican people...very proud, and hard-working. IMHO.
I like the Mexican people...very proud, and hard-working. IMHO.
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Original post: CurtTheGreat
I actually have to say, I found their meditation techniques and suggestions to be pretty helpful
I actually have to say, I found their meditation techniques and suggestions to be pretty helpful
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Original post: EarthChild
I also found their breathing exercises quite helpful, I had been doing them for years before I found actual books that touched the subject of yogic breathing.
I also found their breathing exercises quite helpful, I had been doing them for years before I found actual books that touched the subject of yogic breathing.
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Original post: Venus666
Come on now, the JOS? they arent even satanists. Get real, grow up. Stop being a lamb for the sheperdess maxine
Come on now, the JOS? they arent even satanists. Get real, grow up. Stop being a lamb for the sheperdess maxine
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Original post: EarthChild
I am not a satanist. I really dont care what they are. All I am saying is that I found their exercises helpful. Maybe you should stop trying to discredit them and actually try their techniques. I sense a little subtle jealousy coming all the bashing. And your own links in your sig to your site doesnt do your argument justice.
I am not a satanist. I really dont care what they are. All I am saying is that I found their exercises helpful. Maybe you should stop trying to discredit them and actually try their techniques. I sense a little subtle jealousy coming all the bashing. And your own links in your sig to your site doesnt do your argument justice.
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Original post: Venus666
Why would i be jeaous of a nazi? Not only that the links in my sig are my website, by the way and in my writings i speak from experience, unlike maxine who copies from books. Ive been a satanist for 17 years and i dont need people like maxine deitrich to get what i need out of life.
EarthChild;351121 wrote:I am not a satanist. I really dont care what they are. All I am saying is that I found their exercises helpful. Maybe you should stop trying to discredit them and actually try their techniques. I sense a little subtle jealousy coming all the bashing. And your own links in your sig to your site doesnt do your argument justice.
Why would i be jeaous of a nazi? Not only that the links in my sig are my website, by the way and in my writings i speak from experience, unlike maxine who copies from books. Ive been a satanist for 17 years and i dont need people like maxine deitrich to get what i need out of life.
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Original post: EarthChild
[QUOTE=Venus666;351127]i dont need people like maxine deitrich to get what i need out of life.[/QUOTE]
Well, I respect how you feel but you dont need to put down others using the site just because you had a bad experience with them. I actually dont believe any of that father satan crap..I just find their meditations useful. And by my own experience some of them have worked out fine with me.
[QUOTE=Venus666;351127]i dont need people like maxine deitrich to get what i need out of life.[/QUOTE]
Well, I respect how you feel but you dont need to put down others using the site just because you had a bad experience with them. I actually dont believe any of that father satan crap..I just find their meditations useful. And by my own experience some of them have worked out fine with me.
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Original post: doh
Earthchild, I wouldn't call it jealousy. I would call personal experience in dealing with a said individual. I am no fan of the JoS. I find it akin to other religions in the world using a sheperd/sheep analogy. I'm not saying that they have nothing to say, but I am saying you need take what it is said, from JoS or anyone else for that matter, with a grain of salt the size of Cinncinnati.
Earthchild, I wouldn't call it jealousy. I would call personal experience in dealing with a said individual. I am no fan of the JoS. I find it akin to other religions in the world using a sheperd/sheep analogy. I'm not saying that they have nothing to say, but I am saying you need take what it is said, from JoS or anyone else for that matter, with a grain of salt the size of Cinncinnati.
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Original post: High Priest Enki
also you may fin d the meditations there useful but you do not see the difficulties in many of them, the types of energy used and direction in a lot of the JOS meditations are actually harmful, they may still have experiencible outcomes but that does not mean they are safe.
also you may fin d the meditations there useful but you do not see the difficulties in many of them, the types of energy used and direction in a lot of the JOS meditations are actually harmful, they may still have experiencible outcomes but that does not mean they are safe.
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Original post: Venus666
Of course they are not safe, anyone who has read a real book on kundalini will know that they need a teacher or guru to help them through the stages, othewise it is potentially dangerous work. So thank her for breeding a nation of enki-worshipping alien zombie kids who call themselves satanists, while they fund the neo nazi effort and become the children of the new hitler, Furhor Cliffy
Of course they are not safe, anyone who has read a real book on kundalini will know that they need a teacher or guru to help them through the stages, othewise it is potentially dangerous work. So thank her for breeding a nation of enki-worshipping alien zombie kids who call themselves satanists, while they fund the neo nazi effort and become the children of the new hitler, Furhor Cliffy
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Original post: flay
[QUOTE=hendo555666;257482]And thats bull, no one wants a racist skinhead on here!!Its guys like that who give Satanism a bad name!!!
Take your copy of Mein Kampf and shove it up your arse, my country didnt fight in ww2 to let Nazi twats like you roam around upsetting everyone!!
YES!!SATANISM IS ABOUT FREEDOM OF THOUGHT!!BUT THERES A LINE!!A LINE YOU WOULD LET A PEDOPHILE CROSS!!!SO WHY LET A NAZI!![/QUOTE]
Nazism still plays a highly significant role in many Satanic Groups. JOS - being at one extreme, choose to focus on aspects of Aryanism that are of little use to anyone, especially when handled without intelligence or strategy.
Nazism, six million dead jews (not enough), Racism, or Skinheads, are all forms - emotional words and phrases used to depict political views and sympathy via a strict position on those views - a simplification designed to be fed to the lowest levels of intelligence. Such forms are the heart of propaganda - picked up and believed by the unquestioning dolt or fool only to ready to let others decide for them what is what.
These are my thoughts - those are yours - but to fly off the handle and weep for the people who have single-handedly destroyed the White Race using such simplistic and emotionally charged 'arguments' is neither Satanic, or useful.
The acute observer, through patience and discipline should be able to discern a decent understanding of Nazism, perhaps by living it, rather than be a reactionary, ruled by the stupid political outcries parroted by our enemies.
Moreover, this programmed response to forms is not only sad, it's also hypocritical, since you refer to your country as the patriotic reasoning behind your statement and then in the same sentence argue against National Socialism. What are you, a simpleton?
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[QUOTE=hendo555666;257482]And thats bull, no one wants a racist skinhead on here!!Its guys like that who give Satanism a bad name!!!
Take your copy of Mein Kampf and shove it up your arse, my country didnt fight in ww2 to let Nazi twats like you roam around upsetting everyone!!
YES!!SATANISM IS ABOUT FREEDOM OF THOUGHT!!BUT THERES A LINE!!A LINE YOU WOULD LET A PEDOPHILE CROSS!!!SO WHY LET A NAZI!![/QUOTE]
Nazism still plays a highly significant role in many Satanic Groups. JOS - being at one extreme, choose to focus on aspects of Aryanism that are of little use to anyone, especially when handled without intelligence or strategy.
Nazism, six million dead jews (not enough), Racism, or Skinheads, are all forms - emotional words and phrases used to depict political views and sympathy via a strict position on those views - a simplification designed to be fed to the lowest levels of intelligence. Such forms are the heart of propaganda - picked up and believed by the unquestioning dolt or fool only to ready to let others decide for them what is what.
These are my thoughts - those are yours - but to fly off the handle and weep for the people who have single-handedly destroyed the White Race using such simplistic and emotionally charged 'arguments' is neither Satanic, or useful.
The acute observer, through patience and discipline should be able to discern a decent understanding of Nazism, perhaps by living it, rather than be a reactionary, ruled by the stupid political outcries parroted by our enemies.
Moreover, this programmed response to forms is not only sad, it's also hypocritical, since you refer to your country as the patriotic reasoning behind your statement and then in the same sentence argue against National Socialism. What are you, a simpleton?
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[QUOTE=flay;352408]Nazism still plays a highly significant role in many Satanic Groups. JOS - being at one extreme, choose to focus on aspects of Aryanism that are of little use to anyone, especially when handled without intelligence or strategy.
Nazism, six million dead jews (not enough), Racism, or Skinheads, are all forms - emotional words and phrases used to depict political views and sympathy via a strict position on those views - a simplification designed to be fed to the lowest levels of intelligence. Such forms are the heart of propaganda - picked up and believed by the unquestioning dolt or fool only to ready to let others decide for them what is what.
These are my thoughts - those are yours - but to fly off the handle and weep for the people who have single-handedly destroyed the White Race using such simplistic and emotionally charged 'arguments' is neither Satanic, or useful.
The acute observer, through patience and discipline should be able to discern a decent understanding of Nazism, perhaps by living it, rather than be a reactionary, ruled by the stupid political outcries parroted by our enemies.
Moreover, this programmed response to forms is not only sad, it's also hypocritical, since you refer to your country as the patriotic reasoning behind your statement and then in the same sentence argue against National Socialism. What are you, a simpleton?
f[/QUOTE]
And, there is No line. You can choose to draw one, and tell everyone there is one, but there is No line. The fact that this particular name has the suffix - 'Ism', attached to it - tends to denote a containment. Perhaps in the beginning it does, but in essence and practice, it does Not.
[QUOTE=flay;352408]Nazism still plays a highly significant role in many Satanic Groups. JOS - being at one extreme, choose to focus on aspects of Aryanism that are of little use to anyone, especially when handled without intelligence or strategy.
Nazism, six million dead jews (not enough), Racism, or Skinheads, are all forms - emotional words and phrases used to depict political views and sympathy via a strict position on those views - a simplification designed to be fed to the lowest levels of intelligence. Such forms are the heart of propaganda - picked up and believed by the unquestioning dolt or fool only to ready to let others decide for them what is what.
These are my thoughts - those are yours - but to fly off the handle and weep for the people who have single-handedly destroyed the White Race using such simplistic and emotionally charged 'arguments' is neither Satanic, or useful.
The acute observer, through patience and discipline should be able to discern a decent understanding of Nazism, perhaps by living it, rather than be a reactionary, ruled by the stupid political outcries parroted by our enemies.
Moreover, this programmed response to forms is not only sad, it's also hypocritical, since you refer to your country as the patriotic reasoning behind your statement and then in the same sentence argue against National Socialism. What are you, a simpleton?
f[/QUOTE]
And, there is No line. You can choose to draw one, and tell everyone there is one, but there is No line. The fact that this particular name has the suffix - 'Ism', attached to it - tends to denote a containment. Perhaps in the beginning it does, but in essence and practice, it does Not.
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Original post: flay
[QUOTE=Hans2;259803]It's one thing to have problems with religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It's another thing to dislike an entire group of people who are associated culturally with one of these these religions . The adjective "Jewish" can refer to a religion. It can also refer to an ethnic group. Not all Jews, ethnically speaking, practice the traditional monotheistic religion of their people or even share in a collective "Jewish" mentality. There are Christian Jews, atheist Jews, Satanist Jews, Pagan Jews, etc. There are Jews who oppose many of the policies of Israel, Jews who are non-religious or liberally religious and Jews who would support YOU in your quest to live your life without interference despite your unwillingness apparently to do the same.
Anti-semitism is about hating/disliking an entire group of people. It is not just about hating or disliking a religion. You seem to be confused on this point. Rant all you want about Hebraic religion and its connection to Christianity and Islam. No problem. But it's really odd to me that someone like yourself, ostensibly interested in occult practices (which are connected in part to notions of individualism and self-responsibility) would seemingly refuse to acknowledge that Jews are individuals like yourself, and do not share a common mind regarding religion, human rights, ethnic identity, food, music, or what should be done with intolerant people like yourself in the larger scheme of things.
You're a Satanist, yes? Satanists eat babies, according to some historic misguided, fanatical and uninformed sources. Centuries ago this charge was also made against Jews. Can you not, as a Satanist, see the irony in this?
Hans Jaegerstatter[/QUOTE]
Beautifully said. And therein lies the lesson. While for some it is convenient and applicable to use the simplistic forms provided by others - thinking for oneself and in greater detail is for those beyond that. THus it is possible both to promote Nazism for whatver cause that serves one - and to treat each person encountered on a truly individual basis, with generalizations used to point the way.
Yet, this idea that Jews are somehow innocent of the hate they incur is strange - the Hyksos, as they were once called, were recorded historically, as being kicked out of every state and country they settled in for their practice of money-lending.
Capitalism, given a helping hand by Marx and Ford has ruined the World. Not just financially, but spiritually, physically and magically. The Jews, and their practice of Usury, has allowed them not only to set themselves up as Bankers, Doctors, Lawyers, and Teachers - but to flourish under the system they propagated that is designed to destroy Us, and Survive them.
[QUOTE=Hans2;259803]It's one thing to have problems with religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It's another thing to dislike an entire group of people who are associated culturally with one of these these religions . The adjective "Jewish" can refer to a religion. It can also refer to an ethnic group. Not all Jews, ethnically speaking, practice the traditional monotheistic religion of their people or even share in a collective "Jewish" mentality. There are Christian Jews, atheist Jews, Satanist Jews, Pagan Jews, etc. There are Jews who oppose many of the policies of Israel, Jews who are non-religious or liberally religious and Jews who would support YOU in your quest to live your life without interference despite your unwillingness apparently to do the same.
Anti-semitism is about hating/disliking an entire group of people. It is not just about hating or disliking a religion. You seem to be confused on this point. Rant all you want about Hebraic religion and its connection to Christianity and Islam. No problem. But it's really odd to me that someone like yourself, ostensibly interested in occult practices (which are connected in part to notions of individualism and self-responsibility) would seemingly refuse to acknowledge that Jews are individuals like yourself, and do not share a common mind regarding religion, human rights, ethnic identity, food, music, or what should be done with intolerant people like yourself in the larger scheme of things.
You're a Satanist, yes? Satanists eat babies, according to some historic misguided, fanatical and uninformed sources. Centuries ago this charge was also made against Jews. Can you not, as a Satanist, see the irony in this?
Hans Jaegerstatter[/QUOTE]
Beautifully said. And therein lies the lesson. While for some it is convenient and applicable to use the simplistic forms provided by others - thinking for oneself and in greater detail is for those beyond that. THus it is possible both to promote Nazism for whatver cause that serves one - and to treat each person encountered on a truly individual basis, with generalizations used to point the way.
Yet, this idea that Jews are somehow innocent of the hate they incur is strange - the Hyksos, as they were once called, were recorded historically, as being kicked out of every state and country they settled in for their practice of money-lending.
Capitalism, given a helping hand by Marx and Ford has ruined the World. Not just financially, but spiritually, physically and magically. The Jews, and their practice of Usury, has allowed them not only to set themselves up as Bankers, Doctors, Lawyers, and Teachers - but to flourish under the system they propagated that is designed to destroy Us, and Survive them.
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[QUOTE=LucianAccendus;259824]Ave
I hate the Mexicans because they are all Catholic!! If you want to call yourself a satanist, then you had better hate our oppressors the Mexicans!! And the Italians, the Vatican is in the heart of Rome! Hate Italians!
Hate the English!
That last one just because
Konx Om Pax[/QUOTE]
'tis not about colour. 'tis about Character.
[QUOTE=LucianAccendus;259824]Ave
I hate the Mexicans because they are all Catholic!! If you want to call yourself a satanist, then you had better hate our oppressors the Mexicans!! And the Italians, the Vatican is in the heart of Rome! Hate Italians!
Hate the English!
That last one just because
Konx Om Pax[/QUOTE]
'tis not about colour. 'tis about Character.
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I agree with Eradark's comments about the fact that, if one is anti-Christian, one simply MUST be at least equally anti-Judaic, religiously speaking. If the Jews tie race and religion together so inextricably, then tough shit for them. There are pros and cons to every policy. I'm sick of the taboo, I'm sick of the Holocaust being used as an excuse for racial preferentialism when millions many more non-Jews died in WWII, under Stalin, in the Chinese cultural revolution, etc.
I'm so over Jehovah.
But two facts mentioned in the "racism in Satanism" thread are relevant to this:
1. Etymologically, "Satan" is a very thoroughly Jewish name. Before spurious attempts are made to deny this with creative writing, ijust admit it, it is. The first written instance occurs in the old testament. So J.O.S. have named themselves after a Jewish character. So very elite? Very very very elite?
2. The most evil and demonic and magically effective extant systems of occutism are not Aryan (which has none left thanks to Mr. Christ, the Jewish Messiah), but African, Asian, and Oceanic. Yes, these systems work even for Aryans. You may be shocked by the results, and they don't make sense, but they fucking work. Only these cultures have maintained their indigenous shamanic traditions, totally demonic deities, sex magic, and all, in the face of Christianity, which has without exception conquered the inner life of the Western world.
So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
I'd like your source for the etymology of Satan, please.
Obeah, for instance is highly effective for the people of Haiti. But Satanism with some hope that it represents the best symbol of opposing the status quo and that peoplewon't fuck it up and play the same game with a different badge - works too; though few of the practices of the cultures you refer to have managed to survive without at least accepting some Christian influence. All this means, is that it is character, not colour that is important here. One starts by framing the world in simplistic chunks, but through continuing experience, one sees that there is far too much in each to always be specific. Communication is at the mercy of shared meaning - and the pride that some feel in being 'aware' of this fragility is amusing at best, misleading at worst. Aryanism, much like Satanism, or Satan is a form, a culminating expression issued from human evolution as a means to capture or define a specific mode of living according to a specific mode of understanding. While shamanism has its own particular strength - it is a weak expression in the face of the severe problems faced by what constitutes the abstract - white race. Such cultures are based on superstition, processes of magic that have already been passed through by the human race, at least in the 'western' world - and to revive or force a going back to those practices would be detrimental to the advancement thus made by the human species as a whole.
Coherent policy? All people seem to have here is 'coherent policies' - nice neat incomplete packages of pretty words. Surely one as smart as yourself could conceive a counter-argument to your own question? Such as, 1,2,3 being combined as a personal experiment to test morals, disclipline, ethics or perform an Insight Role?
[QUOTE=Lord Liber;265060]
I agree with Eradark's comments about the fact that, if one is anti-Christian, one simply MUST be at least equally anti-Judaic, religiously speaking. If the Jews tie race and religion together so inextricably, then tough shit for them. There are pros and cons to every policy. I'm sick of the taboo, I'm sick of the Holocaust being used as an excuse for racial preferentialism when millions many more non-Jews died in WWII, under Stalin, in the Chinese cultural revolution, etc.
I'm so over Jehovah.
But two facts mentioned in the "racism in Satanism" thread are relevant to this:
1. Etymologically, "Satan" is a very thoroughly Jewish name. Before spurious attempts are made to deny this with creative writing, ijust admit it, it is. The first written instance occurs in the old testament. So J.O.S. have named themselves after a Jewish character. So very elite? Very very very elite?
2. The most evil and demonic and magically effective extant systems of occutism are not Aryan (which has none left thanks to Mr. Christ, the Jewish Messiah), but African, Asian, and Oceanic. Yes, these systems work even for Aryans. You may be shocked by the results, and they don't make sense, but they fucking work. Only these cultures have maintained their indigenous shamanic traditions, totally demonic deities, sex magic, and all, in the face of Christianity, which has without exception conquered the inner life of the Western world.
So how or why those calling themselves Satanists can possibly think that being 1. Satanic 2. Aryan and 3. Racist is a somehow coherent policy is a Mystery to me.[/QUOTE]
I'd like your source for the etymology of Satan, please.
Obeah, for instance is highly effective for the people of Haiti. But Satanism with some hope that it represents the best symbol of opposing the status quo and that peoplewon't fuck it up and play the same game with a different badge - works too; though few of the practices of the cultures you refer to have managed to survive without at least accepting some Christian influence. All this means, is that it is character, not colour that is important here. One starts by framing the world in simplistic chunks, but through continuing experience, one sees that there is far too much in each to always be specific. Communication is at the mercy of shared meaning - and the pride that some feel in being 'aware' of this fragility is amusing at best, misleading at worst. Aryanism, much like Satanism, or Satan is a form, a culminating expression issued from human evolution as a means to capture or define a specific mode of living according to a specific mode of understanding. While shamanism has its own particular strength - it is a weak expression in the face of the severe problems faced by what constitutes the abstract - white race. Such cultures are based on superstition, processes of magic that have already been passed through by the human race, at least in the 'western' world - and to revive or force a going back to those practices would be detrimental to the advancement thus made by the human species as a whole.
Coherent policy? All people seem to have here is 'coherent policies' - nice neat incomplete packages of pretty words. Surely one as smart as yourself could conceive a counter-argument to your own question? Such as, 1,2,3 being combined as a personal experiment to test morals, disclipline, ethics or perform an Insight Role?
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PS - How does one give Satanism, a bad name?
I wish for once, people would stop, think about what they're saying, think again, then think a third time, before they start their fingers.
PS - How does one give Satanism, a bad name?
I wish for once, people would stop, think about what they're saying, think again, then think a third time, before they start their fingers.