Original post: Adiriron
I never thought I would say this: Balder, when you talk you sound stupid... - Sorry pal, but it is the sad truth. Don't get so worked up dude.
Odin - hard to please? - Lolza, I doubt it, he seems like a happy guy to me! But, if he doesn't suit you, I am sure you can always appeal to Balder. He, probably himself, simply aims to please. Ahh well, good luck to ya' if you really care!
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Original post: Qryztufre
If I see one more person say another person seems even remotely stupid then I'll start passing out warnings like candy.
Either we all get along or no one can play
And I am talking to EVERYONE in this thread.
Q
If I see one more person say another person seems even remotely stupid then I'll start passing out warnings like candy.
Either we all get along or no one can play
And I am talking to EVERYONE in this thread.
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Original post: Balder
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No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languagesNo. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages
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Yes but now we are moving some 8000 years behind! The Norse where isolated by the great forests in north Germany! They developed their own society! They where the first to have true democracy i.e. Alting! Etc. which proves my point they where isolated! No invasions no war with the Romans!
But it is not a branch of German mythology! But old Nordic does have linguistic ties to old Germanic.
[quote]
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
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Okie that is your theory I however have a different one! I believe the Hyksos came from Sumeria in some 2000BC to take over the Egyptian kingdom through mystery schools and Priest kings! If you need info on this please say so!
From Egypt the Went with the people of Abraham to make the Kingdom of Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis-Ra-Eli, then they came back! And at some time the Babylonian and Egyptian was under the rule of one king/pharaoh i.e. Pharaoh Sheshonq 1st a.k.a. King Solomon.
They had a heave influence on the Greece mythology and the mystery schools of Egypt evolved into the Dynician Artificers of Greece, from there they went to Rome and with Emperor Constantine they made the Vatican!
But yes the old Egyptian mythology has more ties to Africa than Sumeria, but after the priest kings took power it became more directed at sun worship and one over god or king god!
[quote]
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
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Well Sumerians and Greeks and ottomans are all indo Europeans so are the Norse and the whole Caucasus race!
But I beg to differ! The Greek mythology is the old roman mythology before Christianity came! They kept all the same rituals and the used the same planets and almost the same names! Didnâ??t change much! But I will agree to some extend with what you are saying!
[quote]
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.
[/quote]
Well I leave it up to you to confirm authenticity!
A little helper though!
Check the years 1071, 865, 571
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
But here are some known facts, at least to Scandinavians it is!
We sacked and burned England, Scotland. Ireland, Wales.
We ruled over England for a period of 150+ years.
We sacked and burned Paris and made them pay us not to come back, but off course we did come back and sacked and burned them again.
We sacked Sancta Petersburg, and tagged their chapel.
We sacked Naples among other cities in the Roman Empire.
We sacked Turkey & Egypt.
We founded Normandy.
Our ships were 500+ years ahead of its time.
We preserved / mummified our kingâ??s corpses before the Egyptians pharaohs.
The word Viking means the men from the bay or in its native tongue fjord men, vik=bay ing=men from.
Yes we were indeed traders but only when we wanted to trade and could get the price we wanted, we traded with the Native Americans 600 years before Columbus. (We actually got our arses kicked here when we traded some milk among other things with the natives they werenâ??t lactose tolerant and there for thought that we had given them poison.)
LETS KILL A RUMOR RIGHT HERE THE VIKINGS DID NOT HAVE HORNED HELMETS!
Our cities where also ahead of their time they were easy to defend or move. (I.e. Trelleborg.)
We have our own martial art called Glima.
We had the Berserkiâ??r.
We invented the rune alphabet. Or at least one runic alphabet!
We invented true democracy (i.e. alting.) donâ??t confuse this with the Greeks republic or plutocracy.
We rule to this day over Greenland the largest island in the world.
At one time in our history we ruled over these countries at the same time , Estonia , Sweden , Norway , half of Germany , Normandy ,Iceland , West Indian islands , Greenland , northern parts of England .
Now I hope this has answered some of your thoughts about the Vikingâ??s.
This is an old thread I wrote on an EZ board!
But it is still valid!
Hope this clear some of the issues!
Hail and kill!
Balder
ps:
Balder, when you talk you sound stupid
[/quote]
Thank you! you however sound clever!
[quote]
No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languagesNo. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages
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Yes but now we are moving some 8000 years behind! The Norse where isolated by the great forests in north Germany! They developed their own society! They where the first to have true democracy i.e. Alting! Etc. which proves my point they where isolated! No invasions no war with the Romans!
But it is not a branch of German mythology! But old Nordic does have linguistic ties to old Germanic.
[quote]
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
[/quote]
Okie that is your theory I however have a different one! I believe the Hyksos came from Sumeria in some 2000BC to take over the Egyptian kingdom through mystery schools and Priest kings! If you need info on this please say so!
From Egypt the Went with the people of Abraham to make the Kingdom of Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis-Ra-Eli, then they came back! And at some time the Babylonian and Egyptian was under the rule of one king/pharaoh i.e. Pharaoh Sheshonq 1st a.k.a. King Solomon.
They had a heave influence on the Greece mythology and the mystery schools of Egypt evolved into the Dynician Artificers of Greece, from there they went to Rome and with Emperor Constantine they made the Vatican!
But yes the old Egyptian mythology has more ties to Africa than Sumeria, but after the priest kings took power it became more directed at sun worship and one over god or king god!
[quote]
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
[/quote]
Well Sumerians and Greeks and ottomans are all indo Europeans so are the Norse and the whole Caucasus race!
But I beg to differ! The Greek mythology is the old roman mythology before Christianity came! They kept all the same rituals and the used the same planets and almost the same names! Didnâ??t change much! But I will agree to some extend with what you are saying!
[quote]
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.
[/quote]
Well I leave it up to you to confirm authenticity!
A little helper though!
Check the years 1071, 865, 571
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
But here are some known facts, at least to Scandinavians it is!
We sacked and burned England, Scotland. Ireland, Wales.
We ruled over England for a period of 150+ years.
We sacked and burned Paris and made them pay us not to come back, but off course we did come back and sacked and burned them again.
We sacked Sancta Petersburg, and tagged their chapel.
We sacked Naples among other cities in the Roman Empire.
We sacked Turkey & Egypt.
We founded Normandy.
Our ships were 500+ years ahead of its time.
We preserved / mummified our kingâ??s corpses before the Egyptians pharaohs.
The word Viking means the men from the bay or in its native tongue fjord men, vik=bay ing=men from.
Yes we were indeed traders but only when we wanted to trade and could get the price we wanted, we traded with the Native Americans 600 years before Columbus. (We actually got our arses kicked here when we traded some milk among other things with the natives they werenâ??t lactose tolerant and there for thought that we had given them poison.)
LETS KILL A RUMOR RIGHT HERE THE VIKINGS DID NOT HAVE HORNED HELMETS!
Our cities where also ahead of their time they were easy to defend or move. (I.e. Trelleborg.)
We have our own martial art called Glima.
We had the Berserkiâ??r.
We invented the rune alphabet. Or at least one runic alphabet!
We invented true democracy (i.e. alting.) donâ??t confuse this with the Greeks republic or plutocracy.
We rule to this day over Greenland the largest island in the world.
At one time in our history we ruled over these countries at the same time , Estonia , Sweden , Norway , half of Germany , Normandy ,Iceland , West Indian islands , Greenland , northern parts of England .
Now I hope this has answered some of your thoughts about the Vikingâ??s.
This is an old thread I wrote on an EZ board!
But it is still valid!
Hope this clear some of the issues!
Hail and kill!
Balder
ps:
Balder, when you talk you sound stupid
[/quote]
Thank you! you however sound clever!
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=Qryztufre]If I see one more person say another person seems even remotely stupid then I'll start passing out warnings like candy.
Either we all get along or no one can play
And I am talking to EVERYONE in this thread.
Q[/QUOTE]
In that case, I'll have to forego any more comments on this thread.
[QUOTE=Qryztufre]If I see one more person say another person seems even remotely stupid then I'll start passing out warnings like candy.
Either we all get along or no one can play
And I am talking to EVERYONE in this thread.
Q[/QUOTE]
In that case, I'll have to forego any more comments on this thread.
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Original post: PaulS
Balder,
No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languagesNo. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages
Yes but now we are moving some 8000 years behind! The Norse where isolated by the great forests in north Germany! They developed their own society! They where the first to have true democracy i.e. Alting! Etc. which proves my point they where isolated! No invasions no war with the Romans!
But it is not a branch of German mythology! But old Nordic does have linguistic ties to old Germanic.
Quote:
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
Okie that is your theory I however have a different one! I believe the Hyksos came from Sumeria in some 2000BC to take over the Egyptian kingdom through mystery schools and Priest kings! If you need info on this please say so!
The Hyksos were semetic peoples who migrated from points East into Egypt. They did not come from Sumer.
From Egypt the Went with the people of Abraham to make the Kingdom of Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis-Ra-Eli, then they came back! And at some time the Babylonian and Egyptian was under the rule of one king/pharaoh i.e. Pharaoh Sheshonq 1st a.k.a. King Solomon.
Abram (before he became Abraham) left the city of Ur - in Sumer and travelled to Israel (which is semetic and Hebrew and means "Isra" the children of and "El" being the name of the creator god of the Hebrews. Again you need to study the words and their origins
They had a heave influence on the Greece mythology and the mystery schools of Egypt evolved into the Dynician Artificers of Greece, from there they went to Rome and with Emperor Constantine they made the Vatican!
Sorry to burst your bubble (I seem to be doing that a lot lately) but the Vatican City / State wasn't formed until February 11, 1929. Before that date the pope ruled most of Italy in varying amounts and to varying degrees. In 1984 the contract that formed the Vatican was further modified releasing Italy from having Catholicism as the state religion.
But yes the old Egyptian mythology has more ties to Africa than Sumeria, but after the priest kings took power it became more directed at sun worship and one over god or king god!
There has never been a place called Sumeria - it is SUMER. There are similarities in the deities (though not in name) but that is a very widespread occurance. Deities tend to have the same traits because we have the same needs in our gods
Quote:
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
Well Sumerians and Greeks and ottomans are all indo Europeans so are the Norse and the whole Caucasus race!
wrong info again, Sumerians were not Semetic people. The others you mention are all semetic peoples.
But I beg to differ! The Greek mythology is the old roman mythology before Christianity came! They kept all the same rituals and the used the same planets and almost the same names! Didnâ??t change much! But I will agree to some extend with what you are saying!
The Romans came after the Greeks. Greece's golden age lasted from 550 BCE to about 325 BCE Rome ruled the world, or large parts of it from 200 BCE to 600 CE
Quote:
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.
Well I leave it up to you to confirm authenticity!
Now that's a surprise. It just isn't worth providing evidence for your point of view.
A little helper though!
Check the years 1071, 865, 571
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
But here are some known facts, at least to Scandinavians it is!
We sacked and burned England, Scotland. Ireland, Wales.
We ruled over England for a period of 150+ years.
"England" didn't exist during the years before or during the Norse domination. England was founded some time after.
We sacked and burned Paris and made them pay us not to come back, but off course we did come back and sacked and burned them again.
We sacked Sancta Petersburg, and tagged their chapel.
We sacked Naples among other cities in the Roman Empire.
We sacked Turkey & Egypt.
We founded Normandy.
Our ships were 500+ years ahead of its time.
We preserved / mummified our kingâ??s corpses before the Egyptians pharaohs.
The word Viking means the men from the bay or in its native tongue fjord men, vik=bay ing=men from.
Old Norse word of runic origins: viking; etymology: overseas expedition. ie: "farar i vikingr" (to go on an expedition)
Yes we were indeed traders but only when we wanted to trade and could get the price we wanted, we traded with the Native Americans 600 years before Columbus. (We actually got our arses kicked here when we traded some milk among other things with the natives they werenâ??t lactose tolerant and there for thought that we had given them poison.)
The Norse were bandits, pirates and raiders who stole from others to survive. They even had to steal women in order to breed which means that there is no "blood" native Norse. They are all half-breeds of different peoples from the surrounding countries.
LETS KILL A RUMOR RIGHT HERE THE VIKINGS DID NOT HAVE HORNED HELMETS!
Our cities where also ahead of their time they were easy to defend or move. (I.e. Trelleborg.)
We have our own martial art called Glima.
We had the Berserkiâ??r.
We invented the rune alphabet. Or at least one runic alphabet!
We invented true democracy (i.e. alting.) donâ??t confuse this with the Greeks republic or plutocracy.
There is a difference between democracy and anarcy
We rule to this day over Greenland the largest island in the world.
OOPS! Austrailia is the largest island - it is so large it is a continent.
At one time in our history we ruled over these countries at the same time , Estonia , Sweden , Norway , half of Germany , Normandy ,Iceland , West Indian islands , Greenland , northern parts of England .
Now I hope this has answered some of your thoughts about the Vikingâ??s.
This is an old thread I wrote on an EZ board!
But it is still valid!
As valid as ever.
Hope this clear some of the issues!
Hail and kill!
Balder
[/quote]
PaulS
Balder,
Balder
Quote:
No. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languagesNo. Norse mythology does not stand alone. The Norse, were after all, a northern branch of the Germanic people, and Norse mythology should be considered a branch of German mythology, just as Old Norse is considered by linguists to be a branch of the Germanic languages
Yes but now we are moving some 8000 years behind! The Norse where isolated by the great forests in north Germany! They developed their own society! They where the first to have true democracy i.e. Alting! Etc. which proves my point they where isolated! No invasions no war with the Romans!
But it is not a branch of German mythology! But old Nordic does have linguistic ties to old Germanic.
Quote:
And no, nobody else said that Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian and Sumerian are the same - they're not. Granted, the Sumerians appear to have greatly influenced the Babylonians who arose in the same area at a later date. But while the Sumerians may have influenced the Egyptians somewhat, Egyptian beliefs are very different. Egypt is, after all, an African country, and its mythos was shaped by the Nile and was influenced by contact with other Africans more that it was influenced by the distant Sumerians.
Okie that is your theory I however have a different one! I believe the Hyksos came from Sumeria in some 2000BC to take over the Egyptian kingdom through mystery schools and Priest kings! If you need info on this please say so!
The Hyksos were semetic peoples who migrated from points East into Egypt. They did not come from Sumer.
From Egypt the Went with the people of Abraham to make the Kingdom of Is-Ra-El i.e. Isis-Ra-Eli, then they came back! And at some time the Babylonian and Egyptian was under the rule of one king/pharaoh i.e. Pharaoh Sheshonq 1st a.k.a. King Solomon.
Abram (before he became Abraham) left the city of Ur - in Sumer and travelled to Israel (which is semetic and Hebrew and means "Isra" the children of and "El" being the name of the creator god of the Hebrews. Again you need to study the words and their origins
They had a heave influence on the Greece mythology and the mystery schools of Egypt evolved into the Dynician Artificers of Greece, from there they went to Rome and with Emperor Constantine they made the Vatican!
Sorry to burst your bubble (I seem to be doing that a lot lately) but the Vatican City / State wasn't formed until February 11, 1929. Before that date the pope ruled most of Italy in varying amounts and to varying degrees. In 1984 the contract that formed the Vatican was further modified releasing Italy from having Catholicism as the state religion.
But yes the old Egyptian mythology has more ties to Africa than Sumeria, but after the priest kings took power it became more directed at sun worship and one over god or king god!
There has never been a place called Sumeria - it is SUMER. There are similarities in the deities (though not in name) but that is a very widespread occurance. Deities tend to have the same traits because we have the same needs in our gods
Quote:
While Greece absorbed some Egyptian influences, the Greeks were Indo-Europeans who had more in common with the Romans, Celts and Germans than the Egyptians. Although the beliefs and practices of the Greeks had their own unique qualities, they fit the general Indo-European pattern. And while the Romans absorbed Greek mythology to an astonishing degree, they altered it to fit their own culture and combined it with their original beliefs to create something that was quite different from the Greek approach to mythology and religion.
Well Sumerians and Greeks and ottomans are all indo Europeans so are the Norse and the whole Caucasus race!
wrong info again, Sumerians were not Semetic people. The others you mention are all semetic peoples.
But I beg to differ! The Greek mythology is the old roman mythology before Christianity came! They kept all the same rituals and the used the same planets and almost the same names! Didnâ??t change much! But I will agree to some extend with what you are saying!
The Romans came after the Greeks. Greece's golden age lasted from 550 BCE to about 325 BCE Rome ruled the world, or large parts of it from 200 BCE to 600 CE
Quote:
I could go on and on, but I see little point. Perhaps in order to clarify your own point of view, you could provide some historical references for some of your earlier comments, such as the statement that the Vikings looted Egypt. Perhaps you have access to some history texts that the rest of us don't have.
Well I leave it up to you to confirm authenticity!
Now that's a surprise. It just isn't worth providing evidence for your point of view.
A little helper though!
Check the years 1071, 865, 571
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
But here are some known facts, at least to Scandinavians it is!
We sacked and burned England, Scotland. Ireland, Wales.
We ruled over England for a period of 150+ years.
"England" didn't exist during the years before or during the Norse domination. England was founded some time after.
We sacked and burned Paris and made them pay us not to come back, but off course we did come back and sacked and burned them again.
We sacked Sancta Petersburg, and tagged their chapel.
We sacked Naples among other cities in the Roman Empire.
We sacked Turkey & Egypt.
We founded Normandy.
Our ships were 500+ years ahead of its time.
We preserved / mummified our kingâ??s corpses before the Egyptians pharaohs.
The word Viking means the men from the bay or in its native tongue fjord men, vik=bay ing=men from.
Old Norse word of runic origins: viking; etymology: overseas expedition. ie: "farar i vikingr" (to go on an expedition)
Yes we were indeed traders but only when we wanted to trade and could get the price we wanted, we traded with the Native Americans 600 years before Columbus. (We actually got our arses kicked here when we traded some milk among other things with the natives they werenâ??t lactose tolerant and there for thought that we had given them poison.)
The Norse were bandits, pirates and raiders who stole from others to survive. They even had to steal women in order to breed which means that there is no "blood" native Norse. They are all half-breeds of different peoples from the surrounding countries.
LETS KILL A RUMOR RIGHT HERE THE VIKINGS DID NOT HAVE HORNED HELMETS!
Our cities where also ahead of their time they were easy to defend or move. (I.e. Trelleborg.)
We have our own martial art called Glima.
We had the Berserkiâ??r.
We invented the rune alphabet. Or at least one runic alphabet!
We invented true democracy (i.e. alting.) donâ??t confuse this with the Greeks republic or plutocracy.
There is a difference between democracy and anarcy
We rule to this day over Greenland the largest island in the world.
OOPS! Austrailia is the largest island - it is so large it is a continent.
At one time in our history we ruled over these countries at the same time , Estonia , Sweden , Norway , half of Germany , Normandy ,Iceland , West Indian islands , Greenland , northern parts of England .
Now I hope this has answered some of your thoughts about the Vikingâ??s.
This is an old thread I wrote on an EZ board!
But it is still valid!
As valid as ever.
Hope this clear some of the issues!
Hail and kill!
Balder
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PaulS
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Original post: Adiriron
No problem Balder, I thought it was rather cute myself!
I think it was the fact that ya' acted like you had won a prize while telling people just how right you were... - That is I belive, when I started shaking my head.
Lolza...
No problem Balder, I thought it was rather cute myself!
I think it was the fact that ya' acted like you had won a prize while telling people just how right you were... - That is I belive, when I started shaking my head.
Lolza...
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Original post: Kuroyagi
I feel a great awe and admiration for Odin, a certain closeness. He can be viewed as paradigmal for the magician (shaman) or the wiseman the seeker, the old prophet: his self-afflicted suffering- giving his eye for knowledge, tossing and turning, yet darkly ponderous and hanging shrouded in deep melancholy on Ygg-drasil. He has no knowledge- Loki (whom I also admire deeply) has knowledge and shows it to him everyday, demonstrates how relative said knowledge can be- or how it can be "used" in little doses to deceive and crooked in sophistry and lies. Odin has no knowledge, he has wisdom because he knows that knowledge is nothing concrete nothing dogmatic, he gave everything for knowledge cause he has the responsibility of a king who is bound to make decisions as clearly and concisely as possible, but he must accept that he never can end his peoples and the worlds impending doom even by giving everything, even by his suffering: but even so he still never gives up, ponders, strives for a way out of the fate the Norns are weaving.
Thor is loved but Odin must be revered- no less than great is he: the epitome of majesty and emminence.
I feel a great awe and admiration for Odin, a certain closeness. He can be viewed as paradigmal for the magician (shaman) or the wiseman the seeker, the old prophet: his self-afflicted suffering- giving his eye for knowledge, tossing and turning, yet darkly ponderous and hanging shrouded in deep melancholy on Ygg-drasil. He has no knowledge- Loki (whom I also admire deeply) has knowledge and shows it to him everyday, demonstrates how relative said knowledge can be- or how it can be "used" in little doses to deceive and crooked in sophistry and lies. Odin has no knowledge, he has wisdom because he knows that knowledge is nothing concrete nothing dogmatic, he gave everything for knowledge cause he has the responsibility of a king who is bound to make decisions as clearly and concisely as possible, but he must accept that he never can end his peoples and the worlds impending doom even by giving everything, even by his suffering: but even so he still never gives up, ponders, strives for a way out of the fate the Norns are weaving.
Thor is loved but Odin must be revered- no less than great is he: the epitome of majesty and emminence.
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Original post: Adiriron
Well, the way I see it Kuroyagi:
Othinn is the coolest, Thor is the badass, and Balder is the secret.
Though they are often painted as archtypical barbaric bearded dudes, where as I have always seen them as somewhat sensual.
I only pity Loki so much...
Lol!
Well, the way I see it Kuroyagi:
Othinn is the coolest, Thor is the badass, and Balder is the secret.
Though they are often painted as archtypical barbaric bearded dudes, where as I have always seen them as somewhat sensual.
I only pity Loki so much...
Lol!
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Original post: jools
Although I have very little interest in this thread apart from for entertainment, as an English person living in York, I would just like to add that the Vikings did not rule all England. They moved inland from Northumbria and got at far down as the Wash but were not in the South of England. They did rule the North of England for a couple of hundred years, but we were more a pitstop for their raids around the northern coasts and Ireland. They left very quickly.
The fact that they didn't wear horned helmets is probably very well known by now, the other myth being they were raping and pillaging for 200 years. They settled very peacefully, and the place names in Yorkshire reflect the Norse heritage, and there are many people in Yorkshire who can claim blood descendance.
But by the time they left they were becomiing christianised, and the Eddas showed this too. Most asatru is now recon, although Scandinavia may have kept some pockets of the norse practice for a while. I know the Pope was very concerned at the pagan practices in Northern Europe. But that doesn't mean that Norse recon is the only path left on the planet.
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Although I have very little interest in this thread apart from for entertainment, as an English person living in York, I would just like to add that the Vikings did not rule all England. They moved inland from Northumbria and got at far down as the Wash but were not in the South of England. They did rule the North of England for a couple of hundred years, but we were more a pitstop for their raids around the northern coasts and Ireland. They left very quickly.
The fact that they didn't wear horned helmets is probably very well known by now, the other myth being they were raping and pillaging for 200 years. They settled very peacefully, and the place names in Yorkshire reflect the Norse heritage, and there are many people in Yorkshire who can claim blood descendance.
But by the time they left they were becomiing christianised, and the Eddas showed this too. Most asatru is now recon, although Scandinavia may have kept some pockets of the norse practice for a while. I know the Pope was very concerned at the pagan practices in Northern Europe. But that doesn't mean that Norse recon is the only path left on the planet.
j xxx
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Original post: rhavenheartboreal
You call odin and old bastard again and may he let the jotun swallow you.
Odin is about death in the sense that we must expierence death in order to evolve, you are a coward, and a fool til you come under odin (or any other like god) and thus your old self dies and you become brave and wise if you are true and devoted to Odin.
and if you are looking for a god that doesn't ask devotion might as well become a atheist or a protestant
You call odin and old bastard again and may he let the jotun swallow you.
Odin is about death in the sense that we must expierence death in order to evolve, you are a coward, and a fool til you come under odin (or any other like god) and thus your old self dies and you become brave and wise if you are true and devoted to Odin.
and if you are looking for a god that doesn't ask devotion might as well become a atheist or a protestant
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Original post: PaulS
This post is an attack on another individual - refrain from doing this - it is against the rules.
It also smacks of preaching. I am happy that you are so sure of your belief in that way Odin is FOR YOU, but I am also sure that Odin is a powerful enough God to have a sense of humor about being called an "old bastard" which would have been a valid greeting between comrads in the old Celtic and Norse tribes. I am not giving you an official warning this time but if this behavior of yours repeats you will get an official warning.
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[QUOTE=rhavenheartboreal]You call odin and old bastard again and may he let the jotun swallow you.
Odin is about death in the sense that we must expierence death in order to evolve, you are a coward, and a fool til you come under odin (or any other like god) and thus your old self dies and you become brave and wise if you are true and devoted to Odin.
and if you are looking for a god that doesn't ask devotion might as well become a atheist or a protestant[/QUOTE]
This post is an attack on another individual - refrain from doing this - it is against the rules.
It also smacks of preaching. I am happy that you are so sure of your belief in that way Odin is FOR YOU, but I am also sure that Odin is a powerful enough God to have a sense of humor about being called an "old bastard" which would have been a valid greeting between comrads in the old Celtic and Norse tribes. I am not giving you an official warning this time but if this behavior of yours repeats you will get an official warning.
PaulS
[QUOTE=rhavenheartboreal]You call odin and old bastard again and may he let the jotun swallow you.
Odin is about death in the sense that we must expierence death in order to evolve, you are a coward, and a fool til you come under odin (or any other like god) and thus your old self dies and you become brave and wise if you are true and devoted to Odin.
and if you are looking for a god that doesn't ask devotion might as well become a atheist or a protestant[/QUOTE]
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Original post: rhavenheartboreal
I am sorry but when a man speaks lightly of something he doesn't follow it is different then if he were a follower himself.
and in what I meant as a coward it was to the effect that any man who has yet to come under Odin (or like god in another pantheon, or any personality or entitiy like odin) that he is but a coward and a fool for he does not know wisdom or justice yet.
Who out there knows of wisdom without first being granted it by another being.
I am sorry but when a man speaks lightly of something he doesn't follow it is different then if he were a follower himself.
and in what I meant as a coward it was to the effect that any man who has yet to come under Odin (or like god in another pantheon, or any personality or entitiy like odin) that he is but a coward and a fool for he does not know wisdom or justice yet.
Who out there knows of wisdom without first being granted it by another being.
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Original post: PaulS
Your intended mindset is not at question - There will be NO person attacks allowed.
We are discussing Odin and the many faces or attributes and cultures of this god. Let's get back to the topic.
PaulS
Your intended mindset is not at question - There will be NO person attacks allowed.
We are discussing Odin and the many faces or attributes and cultures of this god. Let's get back to the topic.
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Original post: RAGE
Balder, Please...
I am holding my tongue and temper. And I ask... I ask one who implies that he is a brother of a similar path... Please further research the Germanic/Tuetonic/Norse faiths and history. Though the names differ area to area...
Wotan, Wodan, Odhinn, Odin, Fenrir, Fenris, Fenrisulven, Hel, Hela, Balder, Baldr, Freya, Frija, ect. The pathos and lore is still almost entirely identical.
And Odin is associated with Death. As well as self-sacrifice in the persuit of knowledge, among many others. And he goes by many, MANY names. Often changing forms to suite certain purposes. As does Loki and others.
Odin's hall, Valhalla, is a hall of the dead. Three of his Valkyrie have the sole purpose of choosing and gathering the slain from the battle field. (Well... Skuld has other duties as well, obviously, but that is her sole duty as a Valkyrie, not as a Norn.) Odin's knot is another example... Its called the 'Valknot', The knot of the slain, also known as the Death Knot. According to legend, It is a sign of dedication to Odin, and its wearers are fated to die a violent death in battle, and join the Einherjar in Valhalla. Aslo, along with 'All-Father' some texts actually state 'Val-father'.
Please at least hear PaulS out further, and do NEW research as to what he tells you.
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As for Odin being an 'Old Bastard'... You say that as though its an insult... We love our 'Old Bastard'.
RAGE.
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Balder, Please...
I am holding my tongue and temper. And I ask... I ask one who implies that he is a brother of a similar path... Please further research the Germanic/Tuetonic/Norse faiths and history. Though the names differ area to area...
Wotan, Wodan, Odhinn, Odin, Fenrir, Fenris, Fenrisulven, Hel, Hela, Balder, Baldr, Freya, Frija, ect. The pathos and lore is still almost entirely identical.
And Odin is associated with Death. As well as self-sacrifice in the persuit of knowledge, among many others. And he goes by many, MANY names. Often changing forms to suite certain purposes. As does Loki and others.
Odin's hall, Valhalla, is a hall of the dead. Three of his Valkyrie have the sole purpose of choosing and gathering the slain from the battle field. (Well... Skuld has other duties as well, obviously, but that is her sole duty as a Valkyrie, not as a Norn.) Odin's knot is another example... Its called the 'Valknot', The knot of the slain, also known as the Death Knot. According to legend, It is a sign of dedication to Odin, and its wearers are fated to die a violent death in battle, and join the Einherjar in Valhalla. Aslo, along with 'All-Father' some texts actually state 'Val-father'.
Please at least hear PaulS out further, and do NEW research as to what he tells you.
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As for Odin being an 'Old Bastard'... You say that as though its an insult... We love our 'Old Bastard'.
RAGE.
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Original post: Rick
[QUOTE=RAGE]
As for Odin being an 'Old Bastard'... You say that as though its an insult... We love our 'Old Bastard'.
RAGE.
Rasari Emrys Ghiddwyn[/QUOTE]"We" don't call Odin an 'old bastard'... and yes, I've taken the Valknot
[QUOTE=RAGE]
As for Odin being an 'Old Bastard'... You say that as though its an insult... We love our 'Old Bastard'.
RAGE.
Rasari Emrys Ghiddwyn[/QUOTE]"We" don't call Odin an 'old bastard'... and yes, I've taken the Valknot
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Original post: Wild Fox Zen
Anyone see a connection between Pai Mei (from Kill Bill) and Odin? They both seem to represent the epitome of masculine purity and harshness. Also note that Pai Mei plucks out Elle Driver's right eye for her insolence (she called him "a miserable old fool", not a far-cry from "old bastard" heh.) It should be noted that the right eye connects to the left (logical) side of the brain.
Anyone see a connection between Pai Mei (from Kill Bill) and Odin? They both seem to represent the epitome of masculine purity and harshness. Also note that Pai Mei plucks out Elle Driver's right eye for her insolence (she called him "a miserable old fool", not a far-cry from "old bastard" heh.) It should be noted that the right eye connects to the left (logical) side of the brain.
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Original post: RAGE
[QUOTE=Rick]"We" don't call Odin an 'old bastard'... and yes, I've taken the Valknot[/QUOTE]
I never said "we" called him an old bastard. I just made the implications that not everyone would take his referance to Odin as an "Old Bastard" in an offensive nature. And that "we", as in myself and a few fellow local Heathinns of various paths, love him.
[QUOTE=Rick]"We" don't call Odin an 'old bastard'... and yes, I've taken the Valknot[/QUOTE]
I never said "we" called him an old bastard. I just made the implications that not everyone would take his referance to Odin as an "Old Bastard" in an offensive nature. And that "we", as in myself and a few fellow local Heathinns of various paths, love him.
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Original post: doh
Odin IS old (not a bastard, but I think He would chuckle at the inference). But he'd still kick my butt. And combined with what he stands for, though he may not get feality, he will ge my respect.
Odin IS old (not a bastard, but I think He would chuckle at the inference). But he'd still kick my butt. And combined with what he stands for, though he may not get feality, he will ge my respect.
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Original post: Hangatyr 13
I guess this is just the backlash to the Wiccatru fluffy-bunny attemps to water down the All-Father. Some people seem to want to focus on the more morbid aspects of Odin. This I understand and I even do it myself from time to time, but I also acknowledge the comparably more "gentle" aspects of Odin, like his patronage to poets and sorcerors. Truth be told, people will worship Odin as they see fit. I know old grizzled runesters who worship him as a god of runes, I know women who are attracted to him, I know warriors who ask for his shield-breaking strength in battle, I know would-be necromancers who long to follow him on the wild hunt. They all worship him in different ways and they all show their devotion in different ways. Granted, he's not some kind of "Nordic Jesus", pigeon-holing him in one bin or the other isn't a good idea.
A few more "issues":
1)No, Odin hasn't lowered his standards, but it seems that some Heathens have.
2)I've heard enough people refer to Odin as "Bastard" (both from people who worship him and people who dispise him) that it's become almost like a kenning for him. People on this board, people on other boards, people in real life; it's not something I call him, but it's interesting none the less, and maybe or maybe not an illustration of the above "issue".
I guess this is just the backlash to the Wiccatru fluffy-bunny attemps to water down the All-Father. Some people seem to want to focus on the more morbid aspects of Odin. This I understand and I even do it myself from time to time, but I also acknowledge the comparably more "gentle" aspects of Odin, like his patronage to poets and sorcerors. Truth be told, people will worship Odin as they see fit. I know old grizzled runesters who worship him as a god of runes, I know women who are attracted to him, I know warriors who ask for his shield-breaking strength in battle, I know would-be necromancers who long to follow him on the wild hunt. They all worship him in different ways and they all show their devotion in different ways. Granted, he's not some kind of "Nordic Jesus", pigeon-holing him in one bin or the other isn't a good idea.
A few more "issues":
1)No, Odin hasn't lowered his standards, but it seems that some Heathens have.
2)I've heard enough people refer to Odin as "Bastard" (both from people who worship him and people who dispise him) that it's become almost like a kenning for him. People on this board, people on other boards, people in real life; it's not something I call him, but it's interesting none the less, and maybe or maybe not an illustration of the above "issue".
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Original post: ObsidianLightflame
I respect Odin. I've never worshipped him, but perhaps someday I shall. Who knows?
I respect Odin. I've never worshipped him, but perhaps someday I shall. Who knows?
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Original post: doh
Even though it may be offensive to some, I am choosing the idea of "Old Bastard" as almost a term of endearment. Like "Old Fart" or something. However, concerning what the term bastard means, and that it is usually not used as an "endearment" adjective, I find it a little odd. I don't worship Odin, but I wouldn't call him a "bastard" either. I can understand others doing it, but . . .
I still think that Odin is chuckling a bit about the inference.
Even though it may be offensive to some, I am choosing the idea of "Old Bastard" as almost a term of endearment. Like "Old Fart" or something. However, concerning what the term bastard means, and that it is usually not used as an "endearment" adjective, I find it a little odd. I don't worship Odin, but I wouldn't call him a "bastard" either. I can understand others doing it, but . . .
I still think that Odin is chuckling a bit about the inference.
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Original post: Wild Fox Zen
Bastard:
Noun
1. A child born out of wedlock. 2. Something that is of irregular, inferior, or dubious origin. 3. Slang A person, especially one who is held to be mean or disagreeable.
Adjective
1. Born of unwed parents; illegitimate. 2. Not genuine; spurious: a bastard style of architecture. 3. Resembling a known kind or species but not truly such.
Etymology
Middle English, from Old French, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Old Frisian b*st, marriage.
I think we can all agree he does have his moments...
Bastard:
Noun
1. A child born out of wedlock. 2. Something that is of irregular, inferior, or dubious origin. 3. Slang A person, especially one who is held to be mean or disagreeable.
Adjective
1. Born of unwed parents; illegitimate. 2. Not genuine; spurious: a bastard style of architecture. 3. Resembling a known kind or species but not truly such.
Etymology
Middle English, from Old French, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Old Frisian b*st, marriage.
I think we can all agree he does have his moments...
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Original post: Urzl
[QUOTE=Balder]Perhaps I should rephrase some lines! But IGNORANCE I have none! Not on this subject! I canâ??t claim total wisdom because doing that is ignorant, but this is basics and I know basics! All the so called facts he has provided has been debunked many times! All I ask and after that ill stop! Look at the mythology alone! Do not mix it with roman mythology, why? Because then we bring Greek mythology in, whatâ??s next Babylonian off course, after that Egyptian and after that Sumerian! Read and prosper! Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place! Even the mystery schools of Egypt and Sumeria had a finger in the making of the Vatican and the Country of Is-Ra-El, there holy trinity!
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Quickie question. Ragnarok, Gods vs. Giants and all that... sound a bit familiar? Gods vs. Titans? Balder´s Horn, Gabriel´s Trumpet? Norse stands alone or is another approach to the same archetypes and myths?
Baldur, the dead and risen hero/god. The Norse version of Osiris? Or maybe it´s the Norse Christ? Risen already or will rise to lead the charge at the end of the world, the Apocalypse/Ragnarok?
You can devote yourself wholly to your dogma but please make the connections that the rest of us have and either dispute them or accept them. Do *not* tell us that they don´t exist because you refuse to see them, *that* is folly.
[QUOTE=Balder]Perhaps I should rephrase some lines! But IGNORANCE I have none! Not on this subject! I canâ??t claim total wisdom because doing that is ignorant, but this is basics and I know basics! All the so called facts he has provided has been debunked many times! All I ask and after that ill stop! Look at the mythology alone! Do not mix it with roman mythology, why? Because then we bring Greek mythology in, whatâ??s next Babylonian off course, after that Egyptian and after that Sumerian! Read and prosper! Nordic mythology stands alone! I would agree that roman = Greek = Babylonian = Egyptian = Sumerian why? Because they originate from the same place! Even the mystery schools of Egypt and Sumeria had a finger in the making of the Vatican and the Country of Is-Ra-El, there holy trinity!
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Quickie question. Ragnarok, Gods vs. Giants and all that... sound a bit familiar? Gods vs. Titans? Balder´s Horn, Gabriel´s Trumpet? Norse stands alone or is another approach to the same archetypes and myths?
Baldur, the dead and risen hero/god. The Norse version of Osiris? Or maybe it´s the Norse Christ? Risen already or will rise to lead the charge at the end of the world, the Apocalypse/Ragnarok?
You can devote yourself wholly to your dogma but please make the connections that the rest of us have and either dispute them or accept them. Do *not* tell us that they don´t exist because you refuse to see them, *that* is folly.
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Original post: Panu Nahka
To throw my spoon on the stew, I might say, that certain researchers of mythology(for example Aale Tynni, finnish reasearcher who specialized in scandinavian myths) point towards hindu-deity Rudra as the original form of Odin. It's even quite believable, since it's pretty firm consensus among historians that germanic tribes descended from proto-Indian cultural stock.
To throw my spoon on the stew, I might say, that certain researchers of mythology(for example Aale Tynni, finnish reasearcher who specialized in scandinavian myths) point towards hindu-deity Rudra as the original form of Odin. It's even quite believable, since it's pretty firm consensus among historians that germanic tribes descended from proto-Indian cultural stock.
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=Panu Nahka]To throw my spoon on the stew, I might say, that certain researchers of mythology(for example Aale Tynni, finnish reasearcher who specialized in scandinavian myths) point towards hindu-deity Rudra as the original form of Odin. It's even quite believable, since it's pretty firm consensus among historians that germanic tribes descended from proto-Indian cultural stock.[/QUOTE]
Actually, most archeologists and prehistorians agree that the Indo-European language and culture started in the Black Sea area, probably in southern Russia. One group migrated to the east and south, and you can read about their conquest of India in the Vedas. Another group migrated to the west and north, and one branch of this group brought the Germanic language, culture and religion to Scandinavia. So people as widely separated as India and Norway were in some cases worshiping very similar energies, even though they don't share too much of the same genetic material (the invading Indo-European hordes were apparently fairly small in number compared to the peoples they conquered.
For information on the Indo-Europeans, books by Georges Dumézil are a good source. Or try this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European
[QUOTE=Panu Nahka]To throw my spoon on the stew, I might say, that certain researchers of mythology(for example Aale Tynni, finnish reasearcher who specialized in scandinavian myths) point towards hindu-deity Rudra as the original form of Odin. It's even quite believable, since it's pretty firm consensus among historians that germanic tribes descended from proto-Indian cultural stock.[/QUOTE]
Actually, most archeologists and prehistorians agree that the Indo-European language and culture started in the Black Sea area, probably in southern Russia. One group migrated to the east and south, and you can read about their conquest of India in the Vedas. Another group migrated to the west and north, and one branch of this group brought the Germanic language, culture and religion to Scandinavia. So people as widely separated as India and Norway were in some cases worshiping very similar energies, even though they don't share too much of the same genetic material (the invading Indo-European hordes were apparently fairly small in number compared to the peoples they conquered.
For information on the Indo-Europeans, books by Georges Dumézil are a good source. Or try this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European